As I said, they're both top class drivers and they both driving identical machinery and both probably were on the 19,000 RPM limit
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As I said, they're both top class drivers and they both driving identical machinery and both probably were on the 19,000 RPM limit
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Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Yes , I forgot about that, that incident was very dirty, nevermind, very dangerous. In today's F1 climate, he would have been blackflagged and received a one race ban for those actions.
Apparently, there was one great pass that we missed: ant on Rosberg. Ant thought it was for track position and not unlapping. :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by race aficionado
Then when he got to bunsen, he got held up and had to let Rosberg pass or get a penalty. But that pass ant did on bunsen was priceless - and Martin caught that on the telly. I don't think bunsen appreciated being passed by a second hand Honda. :D
i have to say i totally agree with Derek Daly that after Lewboy made his initial defensive move, THAT WAS WHERE HE SHOULD HAVE STAYED!!!!!....but no......as soon as he realized FA had the tow and was going around him, he starts drifting to the right, which according to the fia(sco`s) rules of the road is an infringement!!!!......if FA had gone all out for it and refused to yield in the interest of safety, then they could have touched and at that speed who knows what would have happened!!!!!......like i said in another post, if Ayrton was still here then his refusal to yield to ANYBODY would have already given Lewboy plenty tothink about, and he would not have been 7 times on the podium in 7 races!!!!!!!!!....Fernando is just not the type to risk any points in a championship campaign, he builds his points to make wdc`s over a WHOLE season, and now he has a teammate who is "living his dream" and enjoying all the attention, and in a car so closely matched for pace, that unless Fernando makes balls out overtaking attempts that risk taking them both out of the race , then he may only get the chances to pass in the pitstops!!!!!!!.....This is what Fernando has been unhappy about with RD.....he has asked for certain pit stop strategies to his liking, but RD has chosen to go with his own strategies during the races and these have made it difficult for FA to understand why rd is not listening to what Fernando wants!!!!!!!.....by keep bringing them in within 1 or 2 laps of each other all the time, it has created a situation whereby whoever qualifies nearest the front, gets first stop and the track positions are staying the same!!!!!......in indy at mid race Fernando was faster than Lewboy, so he shoulda got out of his way, not run him out towards the wall!!!!!....FA had the momentum to overtake, but was denied imo by Lewboy doing what competitors in DIFFERENT teams would do, but not your teammate!!!!! as this is a high speed sport with the risk of death, i do not believe that there should be any "blocking" of a faster car!!!!!! the teams are competing with each other to manufacture the fastest, most reliable and best handling cars they can produce, and if 1 make of car is faster than another make of car, that will show up by their relative performances on the track;....but to ask drivers to then have to risk their lives by banging into each other or push sombody else out of the way is a recipe for disaster!!!!!!!!!!!F1 must be a non-contact sport at every moment they are racing because of the inherent dangers of high speed, and after watching this "racecraft" by Lewboy, i tell ya i was screaming and swearing at the box like the devil!!!!!.....i do not agree with any so called blocking moves, as you never know what the other idiot is going to do at the most critical time.....(hmmm...plenty of ms moves spring to mind over the years!!!).....whoever is driving the fastest car on the track, should in the interest of safety be given right of way to avoid any dangerous situation both to the drivers and spectators!!!!!!!!!!!!....but lets not forget that we have mad max and the toxic toyboy to thank for what f1 has become, and if anybody does get killed or seriously injured, it wont affect them!!!!!!!!!!.........money,money money,must be funny, in a rich mans world..... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by race aficionado
Funny you should say that! Were you screaming at the telly when Fernando was blocking SchM last year? That telly must be quite traumatised from all your screaming at him/her/it. :eek:
Interesting call Racehound.
So are the totally opposite opinions about the same event a different interpretation of the rules - or better yet,- the manifestation of strong opposing "spirit of the sport" interpretations when it comes to defending and not blatantly chopping or blocking?
or the tendency towards opting for safety rather than pushing the envelope where it could go too far . . . .
or common sense???? ahh... but then . . . who's sense? :p :
:s mokin:
So you don't think Senna ever did any of the same sort of "blocking" during his career? He might have just driven straight into Hamilton...Quote:
Originally Posted by Racehound
Not so sure about that. Yes, there's the 'one move' rule which Hamilton made to cover the inside, but I read a comment from LH saying that drivers are then allowed to position their car in order to take the corner. Now some may interpret this as a 'second move', but given LH's level of preparation (I've also read that he knows the rule book better than most!) I suspect he knew exactly that what he was doing was within what is permitted. The fact that there was no complaint from Alonso, or an investigation by the stewards, suggests that Hamilton was absolutely correct in what he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Racehound
It was simply good clean racing between the McLaren drivers, something we should enjoy not criticise. After all, don't we want these guys to race?
You all know that I don't really like McLaren (although I cheered for JPM a few times in the past) but I can't say that any of them did something wrong there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Good racing was all that happened there.
ioan, I'd like to recruit you to be a fan of the Super Aguri team, the guys racing those second hand Hondas. What do you think??
It already happened a long time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
I've supported Sato since his F1 debut and didn't give up on him even when he punted MS at Spa in 2005.
I hope that one day Davidson will prove he is up there too, it's nice to see a small team scoring points and beating the big boys in F1.
Most of us do, but there are always a few crybabies. I really fail to see any problem with what LH did, Im quite amazed and shocked anyone could see anything wrong with it at allQuote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Well, I'm quite surprised that anyone would see anything wrong in this. But since there is one guy... The situation here reminded me of the pass of MS on Raikk last year in Brazil. He got the tow, Raikkonen went to the inside, MS tried for the outside and failed. He had to try three times before he got by him. IMO also great and clean racing. For those who have forgotten, here's the clip where MS manages to take Raikk by going even closer to the wall on his 3rd attempt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FdBEIbD0oA
...and if Alonso was having the faster car, he could surely have tried again making sure that LH couldn't block him by moving to the inside.
Oh, and Racehound, I think "..in indy at mid race Fernando was faster than Lewboy, so he shoulda got out of his way, not run him out towards the wall!!!!!...." that this is a VERY weird comment. So I guess Massa should have left Raikkonen through too? Teammates cannot race each other? OMG! If you perhaps were one of those shouters if MS and RB didn't race each other, than the irony would be complete :rolleyes: Just be happy that there is still some racing out there and enjoy, even if it's your favorite driver that doesn't win because he fails to overtake. I know it can be frustrating, but that's sport, no?
i wouldnt expect any understanding of the situation coming form someone named after probably 1 of the stupidest sections of track in gp history........how many big crashes have we seen at Tamburello over the years?....and they STILL didnt put a row of tyres there by May 1 1994!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
LH made 1 move to the corner after trackout. It was a long constant SINGLE move to the outside. Had he veered to the inside once he had committed to the outside move it would have constituted blocking.
What surprised me more was that FA didn't attempt it again in the next few laps, it looked like he backed off for some reason.
This is the most ridiculous thing I've heard so far.. :laugh: Perhaps he should have used another track to try to pass :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by kalasend
BTW... great racing... I really enjoyed it even if i wanted Alonso to pass....
I don't think Alonso backed off during the following laps more like he couldn't stay as close to the back of Hamilton through the infield part of the track as he would lose a lot of downforce through the corners.Quote:
Originally Posted by tintop
He must have been able to keep relatively close to LH during the infield session of the lap in question or he wouldn't have been able to get a run on him - not sure what changed in the succeeding laps.Quote:
Originally Posted by VkmSpouge
On lap 37, they lapped Wurz and Button, that might have have some to do with it.
Presumably, FA caught up with LH in prior laps to make lap 37 a meaningful passing lap - looking at that UTube footage again, they came close to touching wheels in T1, there might have been some team chatter after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilderness
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Originally Posted by Racehound
Let's not be silly about names - being named after a dog doesn't make you any smarter does it?
If you think corners that are a genuine challenge like Tamburello are stupid, then thats your loss. I think arguing your point based on anothers name is more stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Racehound
On topic, I think what he did was fair. Unfortunately Alonso didn't get another go at him, but thats racing.
one single overtaking move is making a 3 page thread on a forum, god we are really thirsty of overtaking, thanks again Max.
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Originally Posted by tintop
I think Fernando was able to get a great tow down the long straight and this gave him the extra speed, but once he pulled out of the slipstream, the speed differential was reduced significantly. He just couldn't make the pass stick. He also mentioned that elsewhere, following Lewis affected the downforce and handling of his car - I am supposing this was through the infield, and this also affects the tyres.
Yes, but he had to be in the position to be towed in the first place - which implies that he was keeping close to him in the infield in the preceding lap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
He really looked like he backed-off after the attempt.. just wondering why - perhaps LH had a really bad lap prior, dunno
I am only guessing now, but I think that Alonso was on the softer tyres at the time, and he could go faster through the infield for a very limited time before the tyres started to grain from the lack of front downforce while following Lewis closely. I gathered this was what he was talking about afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by tintop
As LH said, both of them are there to race and win. They'll play any trick in the bag. Any other different view is irrelevant.
Didn't hear the post-race stuff, but that makes a lot of sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
they were on the same tyres, but Lewis's were suffering graining at the time, after that they cleared up a bit and he was able to run at a slightly better pace. the reason Alonso got so close was the traffic they had encountered over the previous few laps
Well the problem with making bull**** moves on the high speed straight is that sooner or later someone is going to go airborne. Blocking into a corner is very acceptable in racing. Swerving on the straight is even ok as long as it someone gradual. Herking the car into the side of someone is very unacceptable. Had that been JV instead of FA then LH may have cartwheeled out of there. MS got away with a lot of BS after MH retired and JV what stuck in a **** car. Those two would challenge any chicken sh!t move. However the bright side this was no where near as bad as MS and Senna on prost years ago. I would imagine the team will have a little pep talk and move on.
It was great racing TBH
although I can understand why the driver that came out second (alonso in this case) would be annoyed at the time - sheer frustration and nothing more
now thats so well put i couldnt disagree :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1