Money is not the biggest issue (absence of Deutschland in calendar and including this new project)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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Money is not the biggest issue (absence of Deutschland in calendar and including this new project)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Scotland, England & People's Republic of Yorkshire........Getting forestry access might be a problem.....Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
From Dirtfish...Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
'Rally Germany didn’t have the capital behind it to return to the WRC on its own...
“During the long history of Rally Deutschland which started in 2002, ADAC was always operating with partners,” explained ADAC sports president, Dr Gerd Ennser.
“During that time it was mainly big sponsors or ADAC regional clubs. Then after the COVID break in 2020 and 2021 we started again to look for partners and it turned out that things changed, sometimes it was really difficult to get big sponsors.
As you know in Germany there is no financial support from government. We talked to ADAC regional clubs which supported us before and we learned it would be a bit difficult.'
Nah, combine the Riponian, Trackrod (remote tyre service in Pickering), the Malcolm Wilson and the Scottish with the service park in Penrith and a stage at Stang on the way over from Yorkshire to the overnight halt and you’ve got yourself a Rally GB from 3-4 existing clubman events combined :DQuote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
I don't think Stang is usable anymore, but definitely doable with Hamsterley! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HKSjbg
I know this is all hypothetical but isn’t Hamsterley just as unlikely as Stang? Tour of Hamsterley last ran 7 years ago and it was only another 5 since it last used a stage at Stang
I have read that article. And believe me, reality is "little bit" different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I know the ford is no longer usable; it's also a massive MTB forest now; former DH World Champion Danny Hart is from around there.....Quote:
Originally Posted by HKSjbg
I think it's the old 'use them or lose them'.
For instance ?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Most of the things in the article is bullshit. Only correct thing is maybe they have meet last year in Bahrain during Grand Prix...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Yeah I get that's your opinion of the article, but you have to state the real reasons if it's not finance. Just in general will do, you dont have to name your sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
I think the organisers of the recent Grizedale stages will tell you that’s not necessarily the case! Grizedale East was in action for the first time since the 1995 RAC Rally :DQuote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
The 2023 Welsh championship has been confirmed:
https://wnrc.wamc.org.uk/
2023 Motorsport UK Pirelli Ravenol Welsh Rally Championship
25 Mar - Rally North Wales
15 Apr - Rallynuts Stages Rally
20 May - Plains Rally
8 Jul - Nicky Grist Stages
9 Sep - Woodpecker Stages
14 Oct - Wyedean Rally
28 Oct - Cambrian Rally
They’ve dressed up the absence of the Red Kite Stages as “… and only one event taking place over the months of June, July and August, providing plenty of time for mid-season car refurbishments in the summer break.” which is understandable as it’s out of their control. But looking back on this thread it seems there’s a bit of a theme developing with a lack of early summer rallies left in this country. Kielder, Argyll and NG seems all there is between June and early July which leaves a big gap for a few championships
The Nicky Grist/Quinton, Woodpecker & Cambrian (though that did move to mid February for a few years) are the only events that are on a similar date as 15-20 years ago. All the rest have been moved;
25 Mar - Rally North Wales - Mid/late October.
15 Apr - Rallynuts Stages Rally - Late May/early June.
20 May - Plains Rally - Mid/late September.
8 Jul - Nicky Grist Stages
9 Sep - Woodpecker Stages
14 Oct - Wyedean Rally - Early February.
28 Oct - Cambrian Rally
And I recall the Red Kite being early/ mid January when run in the Epynt forests. Then in April when in Brechfa & Trawscoed in 2010.
With rising summer temperatures and associated risk of fire if a turbo car goes off think a summer break is perhaps not a bad thing. Dont like getting bitten to death by midges and dust in the camera anyway!
I reckon it's more about trying to avoid the complaints that inevitably come when competitors get stuck in the dust cloud of the car in front... though if they just allowed 2 minute gaps like the rest of the civilised world does, it wouldn't be a problem anyway :laugh:
Part of the road traffic act in the UK only allows for a max 180 minute convoy I believe from first car. Plus would mean a lot more regrouping waiting for cars ahead to clear stages, and a much longer day for marshals.Quote:
Originally Posted by ouvreur
You're partly correct... Schedule 3 of the UK Motor Vehicles (Competitions and Trials) Regulations 1969 specifies standard conditions, one of which is a maximum scheduled interval between the first and last car of 3 hours on daylight events, 2 hours at night.Quote:
Originally Posted by J4MIE
MSUK have the ability to increase that 'where necessary or expedient', but it can also be side-stepped by running categories within the same event on different permits (like WRGB having a 'National' event tagged on the back).
They manage it everywhere else in the world. I don't understand people's aversion to the idea of giving competitors a reasonable gap in dusty conditions on the island of Great Britain.
They manage lots of things in the sport better everywhere else in the world; we're miles behind in almost every regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by ouvreur
Interesting that Stephen Petch has unveiled a Fabia for next year instead of the Festa Rally2. Did think as main Hyundai dealers that he may get an i20. Wonder if we will see any others switching from the Ford.
Hope not, the UK is the last bastion of the rallying Ford...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal yet again
Riponian Rally on the 12th February with stages linked by closed public roads again. Entry building nicely with the non-historic entry looking particularly strong:
https://www.riponmotorsportclub.co.u...ian-rally-2023
East Riding Stages 2023 kicks off the closed roads/tarmac championship for the new year. Stellar entry with at least a couple of C3 Rally2 cars which I think is a first for a mainland tarmac rally?
https://www.bdmc.org.uk/east-riding-stages
Thinking of going to the Ypres event. What is the event like for spectators?
Great looking entries for both Riponian and East Riding, both events possibly boosted by being in a good slot in the calendar for less clashes. But despite problems in the UK that's really healthy entries and a good mix of cars with both having some top cars capable of winning the events.
Been a few years since I've been however buying an event pass is usually a must. If you can pick the brains of a local or someone on one of the other forums here it can help regards where to watch as some of the main spectator locations can be a bit sterile with more red and white tape than on a British rally! Should be quieter this year as no WRC/ERC but always a great atmosphere and having a beer and frites & mayo in the main square has to experienced. EnjoyQuote:
Originally Posted by TomRix
Keith Cronin another struggling for budget and the 2023 BRC calendar is not ideal for him...
https://www.southernstar.ie/sport/ke...utm_medium=web
I'm not certain what the solution is for the BRC. Costs seem too high but there are good arguments for all the decisions the BRC is making. I'm not sure Ypres should be included but Malcolm Wilson, Jim Clark, Ulster, Rali Ceredigion, Trackrod and Cambrian are all fantastic events that should be in the country's premier series. And the choice to have all the tarmac events in one group makes sense financially.
Meanwhile I can't think of a better car than Rally2. It's a hugely popular global class that allows you to compete elsewhere while also spectacular for spectators. There's plenty of them in the UK.
The only big issues I can see is promotion and the extended time taken to compete. Other than being the British Rally Championship the publicity you get for competing in BRC is no better than BTRDA. There's no TV coverage and it's not big on social media. It feels like the championship needs someone with marketing experience to raise the profile of the championship and UK rallying in general.
It needs some party to take a leap of faith to give it some higher profile, otherwise nothing else will follow. I don’t know if the answer would be TV, esports or something else in order to reach a new fan base.
I don’t know if this is a change or whether it was always the case and the WnRC organisers had it miscommunicated but the Wyedean has a different date: 11th NovemberQuote:
Originally Posted by HKSjbg
https://www.wyedeanstages.co.uk/
Personally I think a more winter-y date suits the Wyedean better than early autumn
I can think of quite a few snowy Wyedeans when it ran in February....
I know in the past Hamsterley Forest could never be used during peak summer due to increased numbers of bikers, walkers etc. Wouldn't be surprised if other forests are similar.
I see Matt Edwards was doing another instructor/ co-driver event yesterday with a guy who owns a Citroen C3 R5.
Poor guy must be gutted having to do this when he cant get support to drive such a car himself.
He is still trying to get a drive in Ireland but is still £1000s short in sponsorship. I suggested he use crowdfunding but he doesn't feel this gives out a good impression.
Isn’t the performance driving instructor thing always been his living? These aren’t professional rally drivers like the British scene used to have in its heyday, they’ll all be earning a living somehow. Matt Edwards is just fortunate enough that his profession still involves driving cars fast :D
True, but it must rub salt into the wound when rich gentlemen can buy an R5 and hire you, a 3x champion, to sit by them when you would/should be driving such a car yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by HKSjbg
BTW, I also saw Tom Cave is planning some 2023 events in an old Evo9. Another who should be in an R5.
https://www.rallies.info/webentry/20...ies.php?type=u
Malcolm Wilson provisional entry list starting to build
Only 8 entries so far for the BRC counting National rally - 25 entries needed to keep the mileage up:
https://www.malcolmwilson.co.uk/wp-c...023-Regs-3.pdf (page 9)
It's nothing new. I was servicing on the Welsh International in 1984 and a van pulled up alongside us in the Pembray service area. Out jumped Chris Sclater (https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile...chris-sclater/) and Brian Culcheth (https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile...rian-culcheth/) servicing for a Citroen Visa. OK, the Visa driver was Mark Lovell (https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile/9674-mark-lovell/) but he wasn't that established then and either of his mechanics, in the right car, would have warranted a top ten seeding on the event.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
@SteveBoyd
But those guys weren't 3x BRC Champions and desperate to get (funding for a drive) back at that level...
Yorkshire has been like that for years; from memory you'd have the Riponian, the Kall Kwik & North Humberside all run by late March/early April. Then the summer break, and come late September we'd then have the Trackrod, then Malton followed by the RAC/ Roger Albert....Quote:
Originally Posted by hutchie