Very clearly M-Sport is cutting down on the number of Pumas they enter in each event. Looks like 3 is the top limit atm. They probably have their reasons for that.
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Very clearly M-Sport is cutting down on the number of Pumas they enter in each event. Looks like 3 is the top limit atm. They probably have their reasons for that.
he can try the champion car and money is not an issueQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Maybe also more media exposure and PR for Japan
Bravo Lorenzo
Bertelli riding a Yaris is like me - buyng a top end gaming laptop for playing only minecraft with it...Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Well basically positive PR for Toyota in the sense that someone chose Toyota over Ford, but also they will show a very slow Toyota on TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by manthey
And not just one but two laptops.Quote:
Originally Posted by bandit12
That is annoying, especially when they end up being slower than some WRC2 crews. Is there any reason why the promoter has to do that though? If they’re outside a factory team I don’t see why they should give them priority on the tv.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Imagine some youngster doing a show-off with a rented Rally1, they wouldn't have a camera?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
I hope he enjoys doing the rally. Nothing else matters, you miserable lot :p
Agreed. It's not like he is stealing a spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by J4MIE
Any news on spectator access this year? Last year, even when we arrived 2.5hrs before we sometimes had alot of difficulties on marshals allowing you to walk beyond the spectator points.
I really hope they have these issues resolved this year
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Why should you be allowed beyond the designated spectator areas?Quote:
Originally Posted by DocMS
I'm not sure if it was something new last year, Finland also felt a bit more strict for no reason in places. A lot of the marshals seemed very inexperienced so hopefully it will be a bit better this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by DocMS
Some of the spectator places was really bad also, this year will be by far the most expensive WRC event I've gone to, so I'm not standing 20m from the road in some slow corner...
Below is the comment I got back from the spectator officer for Rally Sweden via email
"Hi !!
Yes you are right, if we just look at our rules from *the rally. It’s OK to walk at stages 30 min before first rally car.*
But we have the land owners that sometimes have young trees under the snow. *
We have a agreement that we make sure that rally fans not will hurt the young trees.*
The safety rules are that you as a rally fan have to be behind a tape on a spectator area.*"
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Is Rally Guide 2 available yet? Was meant to be published on the 12th but maybe I’m just missing it.
More Japanese drivers that Swedes.
More Spanish drivers than Norwegian and Swedes combined.
Yeah, it caught my attention too. Only 2 Swedish drivers?! This sport is sick!Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
Nothing strange: at this moment, investing in very niche sport as rallying is the latests in the minds of swe companies, thus - no proper pool of sponsorship and support for the Fast and Furious Swedes. Big brands go for winter-sports, football, horseback riding and similar. Too many alternatives and lobbies. At the same time, low cost motorsport disciplines have high-numbers in participants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Impressive startinglist.. at least 4-5 drivers going for the win!
Is horseback riding popular in Sweden?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndersX
Yes, very; though listing it above was more like a sarcasm. One good example - how JWRC champion Kristensson had to seek for any budget just to cover extra costs in the year of prize-drive. Where is Kristensson today, just 2 years after becoming JWRC champion? He is not even on Rally Sweden entrylist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Do you know at what time they close the roads for traffic before the stage begins? Now I can't remember if they use to do it 24 hours before the start or at 00:00 am the same day.
the roads close at 16:00 the day before. This was answer last year so I think this year will be the same.
We arrive on Tuesday so are roads open to public to drive on Tuesday /Wednesday?
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As I said earlier the roads close at 16:00 the day before. So if Shakedown start Thursday, they close the stage Wednwsday at 16h00 etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by DocMS
https://itgetsfasternow.com/2023/01/...y-sweden-2023/
Route preview. 62% new on the route, and all the stages/corners with crashes/moments last year have been removed, coincidence or not! Some sections on the new stages are stupidly boring straight and fast.
It has been 16.00 before also. So i always start with shakedown. Don't do Brattby backwards, tried in the middle of the stage just to check something quickly last year, had to back up 700m for Lasse Lampi (Mäkinen's test driver), he was not happy! Recce plan is also nice to have a look at to try and avoid the recce traffic.Quote:
Originally Posted by jparerax7
Sounds pretty bland. And last year already had too many boring long straights, or flat out wide sections.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I struggle to find anything positive with Bertelli at Toyota.
Even Serderidis at MSport has a positive with supporting MSport so they have money for development.
Bertelli at the richest and now most dominant team is just wrong. Maybe for people at the stages it is good with extra Rally1.
It's not anyone's problem(except you) that Mikkelsen doesn't have the money/doesn't want to pay for driving the top class car.
You need to see a doctor.
I just wrote that Serderidis at MSport is better than Bertelli at Toyota. How that involves Mikkelsen is a mystery to me.
"there's too little rally1 cars on the stages"
"Bertelli an Toyora is wrong"
"wathing Serderidis drive th puma hurts my eyes"
you people are sick
I don't remember a single person claiming these 3 things at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ictus
That people have opinions is normal on a discussion forum. Bundling opposite opinions in one post is....
It's one more rally1 car on the stages which is better than nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
If you had the money like Bertelli, why would you pay Msport for a puma when you can rent a potentially better (and much more reliable) car?! Reliability is massive for a privateer pay driver, and Msport/the puma keeps showing that it can barely get through a rally without annoying gremlins
For me, these gentleman drivers in Rally1 cars are not a positive thing. I mean, nothing wrong with realizing their dreams or just having a nice hobby, but the problem is they are shown on TV (instead of a WRC2 driver actually going for the class win) and it makes the sport appear ridiculous. Also, I'm sad for Bertelli taking his money to Toyota instead of M-Sport where it would be needed. I know that some people just want to see more top class cars, no matter how they are driven, but I cannot agree with that thinking. But we all have our opinions.
It´s definitely a bad thing! Gentleman drivers should be after WRC2/WRC3 drivers, because they are not scoring Manufacturers points and in general slower than top WRC2 drivers. If they want to drive and use their money they can do it, but not show them in AllLive.
Precisely.
For a fan on that one single next rally it is good with extra Rally1. Personally when spectating I rather see two more lower class cars being driven on the limit, but here I agree opinions might differ.
In even slightly longer view they are purely negative. Just as AnttiL listed:
1. They take screen time and reduce the broadcasting value of the sport. 2nd and 3rd day they usually start first so you have significant part of the "show", that you pay for, showing rather poor driving.
2. More screentime for them, means less screentime for WRC2, which means you often miss the WRC2 competition and it also reduces the sponsor base for WRC2.
These two points can be fixed by simply moving them further down the fied, behind top seeded WRC2s.
3. (minor point), They take cars that someone competetive (at least Greensmith) could drive. This point is the smallest issue.
Note that when 2017 WRCs came there was some talk that only "certified" drivers should drive them cause they would be much faster and dangerous. I think it took only a few rallies before they stopped it. For comparison Loeb was denied F1 start even after posting good laptimes in training cause the did not have enough KMs in the car.
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The point about Bertelli using money at Toyota should be obvious to everyone.
More money and data from running more cars to the best team => best team gets even better => boring competition and/or Hyundai/Ford(not MSport) leave.
No doubt for Bertelli himself it is the best and most logical choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
But Bertelli enjoying himself is not of much interest for me.
If there were 20 Rally1 it would maybe be less noticeable. But a really bad "gentleman driver" does make the sport look bad. Especially when you start the broadcast with him. The clown commentators going on about how cool it is that you can do this in rally and no other sport. That kind of goes against WRC being top drivers and so on. I also agree with the points above about less airtime for WRC2.
But i think this is less a problem that needs to be tackled directly and more a symptom of the bad health of the WRC.
Surely all the snide comments need to be aimed at those who make the rules and decide on the coverage, rather than Bertelli…