& if they don’t get the support from the government, will the FIA bring a different European event or just let it slide and have 1 event less?Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
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& if they don’t get the support from the government, will the FIA bring a different European event or just let it slide and have 1 event less?Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
In the same interview it was mentioned that they see Latvia or Cyprus as the potential additions to the calendar. This info is from Simon Larkin and not from Aava.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
That’s a really low numberQuote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
Lower when it was candidate event but it’s their own fault also partly with boring spectator places
Anyone here has the number of spectators for Finland?
Yeah, they said that because there are no restrictions because of covid, the summer was full other events and they consider their number good. I would say also that it is rather low and for me it was the price and I would be really surprised if they don't lower it for next year (if the event will take place).Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I doubt we would see big spectator numbers on stages any more, at least not in Europe. All-live for hardcore fans, different alternatives to the left and right, plus, spectating rally nowadays is not that cool any more - in majority of cases you are allowed to designated areas only, where you have to sit all day. It was an adventure in the past - today, due to security demands - close to nature racing event. New reality even for organizers.
Boring places and AllLive. Also Tänak's lack of success before Estonia.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
But on the other hand you got no traffic jams and this is very comfortable for organizer and spectators as well.
And I doubt rally pass prices will go lower, if the event goes on than 100 € pass is likely.
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When Aava visited rally studio during the event, Kalev Kruus directly asked him that if he thought that pass price was too high and Aava admitted that maybe a bit too high (I think by then he already had some first numbers about ticket sales) and said that ideally it would have been around 70€ and this is a thing they will look into next year. So based on this and low numbers, I personally think that it would come down a bit or definitely stay the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
[QUOTE=AndersX;1307706]I doubt we would see big spectator numbers on stages any more, at least not in Europe. All-live for hardcore fans, different alternatives to the left and right, plus, spectating rally nowadays is not that cool any more - in majority of cases you are allowed to designated areas only, where you have to sit all day. It was an adventure in the past - today, due to security demands - close to nature racing event. New reality even for organizers.[/QUOTE
Seeing the numbers of spectators in Finland and Ypres I'm not sure I agree with this. And they are both heavily ticketed events.
I wonder if the general economic situation plus anxiety about the war was an Estonia-specific issue...
I think they are usually announced a couple of months later. But I would expect a huge number thanks to Kalle (and also first Summer WRC rally since 2019)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
You must not be familiar with the Portuguese and Spanish rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndersX
I saw huge crowds in all rallies I have visited except Turkey.
Last year Acropolis rally was watched in the mountains by an unprecedented amount of fans.
In Finland, the first pass in Harju did an all-time spectator record with 19 500 spectators. Interesting to hear what was the outcome of the whole rally.
Someone said that they should go to places where rally is bigger, like somewhere in the UK or in the Ceskia? Im even thinking US should have a rally now. Saudi? Nah..
Yes, Ciesla said something like that at the time, but now they just seem to go and follow the money, bluntly I'd say, what happened to candidate events? Up until not long ago, each event that would want to enter the WRC had to have a candidate event and as far as I'm aware there isn't one being held for Saudi Arabia this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
If FIA starts to "sportwash" regimes like Saudi, they can include shitholecountries like Russia, china and north korea.
And they can put out a press-release that they confirm that they are corrupt pøkker that only thinking on theire own pocket than the sport they are hired to do better.
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Originally Posted by skarderud
haha I wonder if FIA would ban America and the UK if they watched those Adam Curtis documentaries.
"Ok, the world is a mess. FIA will have just one championship from now on racing electric scooters in non-recognized countries: Barawa, Northern Cyprus, Padania, Szekely Land, South Ossetia, Ellan Vannin"
(all real places btw... they even have a "Paralell world cup" (soccer) under the CONIFA adm, since FIFA dont recognize them)
er...padania is not a real place. just a delirium from a bunch of xenophobes in italy.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
Ellan Vannin is the Isle of Man - a Crown Dependant Territory. It is recognised by FIA as coming under the sporting jurisdiction of Motorsports UK from its geographical location.
https://www.rallit.fi/rallin-mm-sarj...sta-uusi-huhu/
According to Motoring News (link not provided, possibly just in the magazine), Chile won't happen for 2023. And European rounds would actually be same as this year (minus Ypres/GB). Mexico and Saudis are the two new events...
Well at least we get to keep most of our tarmac rounds on the calendar, still annoyed by the fact that Saudi Arabia didn’t even have a candidate event, even though Mexico did host the rally of nations.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Mexico has arranged a WRC event for almost 20 years, they don't even really need a candidate event. But Rally of Nations was a nice way of saying "we still want to host WRC"
But nice to hear the European events remain as they are. Latvia and Cyprus aren't as good as Portugal and Spain (which were rumored to be dropped)
I honestly have no idea why Latvia needs to be in the WRC when you have Estonia there, tbh, no offense to Rally Estonia but I'd rather have Rally Argentina & if that's not possible another tarmac round instead, considering the fact we're losing our August tarmac slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Definitely need more tarmac rounds. Such a pity Rally Northern Ireland seems to be dead.
Rally Ireland which ran in 2007/2009 did not show the island's true potential, we really have fantastic and totally unique roads but running the event in the winter did not help.
If it was in the August slot it would be a great event even if it was confined to Northern Ireland.
Imagine Torr's Head with Rally1 cars tearing down it!
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The article also says that Corsica is looking forward to arrange a rally again in addition to Latvia, Cyprus and Czech(!)
For me the number of tarmac rallies is not that important, more about the variety of events. Croatia and Catalunya are totally different events, and Ypres is also different to them.
Not to mention Slieve Gallion, Barnes Gap, Hamiltons Folly, Bucks Head, Gregorlough, McGaffins Corner…Quote:
Originally Posted by Jewy46
With that said, you still wouldn't want a calendar that had 2-3/14 events on tarmac right? MC is something else entirely although it’s on tarmac, you could also argue Croatia has a different character to Corsica & nothing (yet) on the calendar is quite like Catalunya or Ireland. By the way, saw some footage on twitter from this year’s Rally Japan’s stages, they are in for a challenge & the roads look absolutely beautiful in the mountains over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I think Monte + 2 tarmac rounds is the minimum if the total number of rallies is 14, but assuming there's also two fast gravel rallies and one snow event, so it's not just technical gravel all over the season
For me there should be 4 or 5 tarmac rallys. Monte, Croatia, Japan. And than Germany, would prefer again in the winefields around the Mosel, agree that Ireland deserves a spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
They should make some alterneting system between ERC and WRC, that way every rally can run a top event each year. Take Spain, Croatia, Germany, Ireland, Ypres in to that rotation. But keep the real big classics like Monte in wrc each year.
The calendar would be a bit refreshed every year. Also good for younger pilots, easyer to take on the fight whit expierensd drivers on fresh roads.
The Classics;
Monte
Sweden
Mexico
Italy
Portugal
Finland
Greece
Japan
Alternating asfalt rallys could be;
Croatia and Corsica
Germany and Ypres
Spain and Ireland
Gravel could be
Latvia and Estonia
New Zealand and Australia
Argentina and chili
Jordan and Saudi Arabia
Turkey and Cyprus
Just my thoughts, probably never will happen, but i think most rallys could benefit from this system.
Japan is a classic? It (the tarmac rally) has never run in the WRC :D
Rotation is tricky for rallies because arranging a WRC event requires a big organization, some of it working all year, and it's difficult to take it down for one year out. Same with partner contracts, easier to make multi-year arrangements. Yes, stepping down to ERC for one year is one solution but for some rallies it works better than others. Some rallies get more funding from a motoring club / government while others are dependent on spectators. I don't think we would ever see ERC Rally Finland, it wouldn't just be commercially possible.
Japan has history in WRC, also big market and Toyota is big player in WRC, so thats reason enough for Japan to be in.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Finland is no brainer, has to be in WRC, But like i said, most of the tarmac rallys i mentioned could survive by doing one year WRC than one year ERC.
Would also mean a upgrade for the ERC, some drivers doing that championship as a step up to the WRC.
Well let's first see how this year's Japan's event goes before deciding if it should have more future in the championship or not.
Can we still be open that Saudi might be tarmac?
Toyota sponsor the national https://www.saudi-championship.com/t-en which is a real mixed bag of Toyota friendly sports. One place to keep an eye on.
What about Wales Rally GB?Quote:
Originally Posted by Duvel
Well, it's not organized anymore...but Safari should be on the list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Päss1928
Not in its modern format it wasn't......and it's even less of a classic now. Not only is it not in the WRC, it no longer exists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Päss1928
Shame on FIA & WRC promoter if they are really going to Saudi Arabia! Almost the same as there would be WRC event next year in Russia.
As so many people here said before me ca$h is king, unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
Mexico?! Italy?! (Sardegna?) Japan!? Classics?Quote:
Originally Posted by Duvel
That is insulting. San Remo was a classic but generic gravel rally #5 on Sardegna.... TdC, Spain, New Zealand, Rally GB are classics.