Fun race. Sorry for Perez to get so unlucky with Latifi. Good hard racing to finish up the race between Max and Charles.
Latifi and Stroll....sigh
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Fun race. Sorry for Perez to get so unlucky with Latifi. Good hard racing to finish up the race between Max and Charles.
Latifi and Stroll....sigh
Yeah I feel for Latifi but it is beyond obvious that Stroll has to go.
Overall a fantastic race weekend, other than Mick giving us a scare.
Well done to Perez for finally getting the maiden pole. It's been a long time coming, and he did it in his usual fashion. Just smooth driving through the whole lap, not a lot of drama, corrections, etc. In that respect I think Perez is similar to the way Button drove.... And well done by Sergio to retain the lead through the safety car. I don't think anyone was really pushing too hard, as it seemed everyone was happy to just manage the gaps. My guess it they would have pushed when it was time to decide who would blink first among the leaders and go for the undercut. As it turns out it was Perez, and then he was promptly screwed when the SC came out and everyone else got the freebie.
Lewis and KMag got screwed with the SC timing as well, but all things considered both did well to consolidate decent finishes, though KMag got lucky with the pit closing timing when the later problems came around. I can only think that Merc were rolling the dice hoping for the safety car, and by the time they second guessed Lewis had gone past the pit entry.
I'm still a bit confused at to why race control didn't sort out the Perez/Sainz order before the restart. If the TV coverage did, it seems that the video stewards at the race could have done the same. All they needed was that one clip to see who hit the line first. If they knew Sainz should have been first before the race restarted, they essentially screwed him with the new thought of "let the driver give the place back voluntarily or face penalty" in this case. It did seem that Perez backed out and let him by, but not until after the restart as directed by RB. Strange either way if you ask me.
Good dicing though the field for much of the race. Ocon showing what a bonehead he is as usual, though in all fairness Fred could have just quit pushing the issue as well. It only really hurt both of them in the end, but it was fun to watch. Without a doubt the cars can follow much closer and set up passes better, but the DRS does allow some pass to be repassed situations. I was surprised the the Haas could even get by Lewis with the Merc struggling, but it does show the the front of the midfield isn't far from the middle of the midfield, and that isn't far from the back of the frontrunners either.
Great racing at the front as well, though I would liked to have seen that last battle play out without any interruptions. I though for sure Leclerc was going to come out on top for a while there, but Max prevailed in the end. I have to wonder if Sainz and Perez knew to not push the issue too hard, or if they same dice might have played out with Perez at the front if not for the SC. Either way it ended up being some good racing and fun to watch.
I hope Merc gets up into the fight sooner rather than later, it would be great to have more cars up front. But as it stands Ferrari are looking strong, and that RB reliability in the first race has really hurt them.
Best part of F1 2022 is the amount of pointless discussion on "See? Lewis without the best car is just a good driver, not the GOAT" haha
People seem to forget Schumacher before the V8s and Vettel before the V6s. They were the GOATs too... But ONLY BECAUSE of their cars... Or did they just unlearned how to drive? haha :P #GoLeclerc
I'm not seeing much discussion about that at all tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
Yes, while it is the car that has massively skewed a lot of drivers stats over the years, I don't think anyone here would dare suggest that Schumacher and Lewis were/are not great drivers.
Of course all the GOAT talk is just nonsense for many reasons but none of their diehard fans brought it up, so lets not go there, lets just enjoy this much apreciated new era where the new cars can now follow close enough to be able to give us what we have been crying out for... for so many decades.
Indeed. It's just way too much. Drivers have to back off on the first straight because when they overtake someone they will get passed again immediately on the next straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
The drs effect is too overpowered like it is now.
I was hoping that the new aero package would be enough to convince them to rid the series of the dopey DRS issue .Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
They already had enough reason to get rid of it when they saw that the dumb situation where neither Max nor Lewis wanted to cross the line first caused them to touch last year .
It made a new braking zone before the braking zone , at the DRS line .
It has real potential to be really bad .
Why are you so hung up on the potential of it being bad when what we got yesterday was exciting. It just didn't work out for LeClerc yesterday. One more lap and he probably would have gotten him back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
This year was very different from last year. Max has matured a little since then and racing between the two was entertaining. For as long as DRS has been around folks have been complaining, and yet...it has produced fantastic races and finishes.
When they touched last year , it was extremely lucky that Lewis didn't fly over Max in a wheel touching scenario .Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
I don't want to see that .
DRS was designed because they could not follow closely with the aero designs they were running .
They can race each other now , so it's existence is redundant and not necessary .
And , in my opinion , it is dangerous as hell to add another braking zone before a DRS line .
Agreed the new rules were designed so as we could get rid of DRS. If they are now claiming the new rules work but that DRS is still necessary then the new rules are a failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
They should at the very minimum do a couple of races without DRS. LeClerc deserved to win on Sunday. DRS gave Verstappen the victory. Get rid of it.
Congratulations to Latifi on binning it for the second time in three races. Useless. I'll say it before and I'll say it again, there needs to be quality control in F1. I've lost count of the number of times Latifi has crashed and caused red flags. F1 isn't a finishing school. Three crashes like that in a season and it should be a case of license revoked as they clearly aren't ready or capable for F1.
Well...I wonder if Max has more respect for Charles than he does Lewis.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
As for DRS, I think the problem at certain tracks is the multiple zones, as well as drivers using racecraft more and more to avoid crossing the line first. Though I don't really have a big issue with retaining DRS if needed, it shouldn't result in both cars getting on the brakes to avoid being first over the DRS detection line. If other cars are in the area, it could cause a collision, or possibly slow down lapped cars trying to stay out of the way.
They could either change the rules to avoid any games and safety hazard possibilities, or just adjust the length of zones/detection points/etc to more closely match the newer cars.
But it wouldn't break my heart at all if we could just get rid of it, or allow it 100% of the time with no zones involved.
A couple other notes I forgot after the race....
Visor Cam - it absolutely sucks! Get rid of it now! I would rather watch any other onboard shot they have over this crappy view that catches all the crazy light diffraction through the visor. Surely they can do better. The last version helmet cam wasn't much better really, but it wasn't this terrible.
Leclerc and the Ferrari rear light issue - It was brought up when noticed and mentioned by Max during the race. It's in the regs as required, but there is really no precedent that I know of for penalty if they don't work. These lights signal both harvesting modes and potential issues, and both are potentially both caution indications or weakness indications for following drivers. If a driver is harvesting they don't have 100% power available, and if the system is screwed up potentially a major car problem and/or deceleration.
Not that I think any major penalty should apply if it was simply a real problem, but if there is no penalty ever I can seem the teams playing games as it might give them a slight edge in never letting the following drivers know when they are harvesting.
DRS has become dangerous , so should go , but perhaps your idea of allowing it all the time could be a good stop-gap until it could be designed out .Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
As they have used "moveable aerodynamic device" to disallow many items on cars , I have never understood the stupid behind mandating one .
I completely agree on that visor-cam .
I wonder about a camera on each side of the helmet to give a stereo view for those with virtual headsets , not that I have one , but it could be cool .
As for the rear lights , it really comes down to the safety issues involved .
Worst scenario would be rain and no lights , and I don't think they should hesitate to call someone in and retire them if those lights don't work when that rain starts .
If the de-rate lights don't work , they won't likely work for other uses , and the car should be fixed or retired .
It needs to be as simple as that , as otherwise you get them playing games with safety .
I agree it is nasty.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
I watched a 40sec vid that Ricciardo did in Bahrain that didn't suck. The vision was centred and not polarised and was very watchable.
It was in practice and it was in daylight but the most noticeable thing was the centred camera position. I have not seen the same since.
The psychadelic visor view from the drivers ear is just annoying.
I love the helmet cam but I agree having it in the center would be a better view. I especially loved the cam of Charles LeClerc which showed him on a hot lap over the weekend- it really showed the forces and speed with which a driver must react in order to complete a good lap. No view is ever perfect and there's little can do about the lights but I really thought it was awesome in Jeddah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whyzars
I wouldn't mind it so much if they just mounted it externally, preferably in the middle. But the glare they get through the visors is just too distracting IMHO. I've never seen that much glare through a visor at night and I'm sure the camera quality is a good part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
I don't think it's the quality of the camera or the lens. It's where it's mounted. Your eyes are looking through the visor near the middle so the visor is almost square on to your line of sight. If you tuck a camera into the side of the helmet it's looking through the visor at a very shallow angle. Any transparent surface will have some relection off its surface and the shallower the angle the more reflection. In the centre, square on, you don't see the reflection and a camera won't see it either, but at the side with the much shallower angle the reflections will be much brighter. At night when the ambient light level is low, the reflections of bright points of light (like the stadium and road lighting) will show up brighter than the background. Hopefully, when we get to daylight races the reflections won't be as noticeable.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter