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If I remember well, Skoda’s boss said that, with components issues currently, best possible for the first official outing (at least in WRC) was Greece and even there, it was not guaranteed
Maybe they may get faster with 0 car in Czechia this week?
But is there a sense with no Mikkelsen in Finland (and probably Belgium)?
As well as the official Stage Recce Videos there is a guy who has stage videos on you tube that are well worth a look,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfQ4ut0zz9k
This is the one for the shakedown he has others as well.
Only 3 starts left (7 max).Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny0405
- Estonia is already confirmed
- One has to be outside Europe to get teampoints (NZ or Japan)
The one start left definitely should be Fabia debut, but Greece also makes most sense since he drove and won there last year, while he hasn't driven Finland in lower category car since like 2012. Finland would make sense if the car was ready as it's the kind of rally where the car should excell.
Drivers and teams can nominate rounds independently and neither are obliged to go outside Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
To be more precise:Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
- drivers can nominate in 7 rounds anywhere
- teams can nominate up to 6 rounds in Europe (maximum) and up to 1 event outside Europe as an additional 7th round.
And I don’t see any interest for Toksport to send car in New Zealand or Japan (too much cost, all the more with new cars not that much available).
For me, now than Mikkelsen is not entered in Finland, it is clear that his end of season is Estonia-Greece-Spain (Belgium too specific in my opinion)
So the only question mark is if some Toksport’s drivers can have the new car in Greece or if they will have to wait Catalunya
A bit of a contradiction?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny0405
Clearly if they feel the need to ensure team title, they will drive outside Europe.
I expect they are quite interested in getting it after losing it to "themselves"(Gryazin in Monza) last year and with driver title uncertain after the two engine failures.
Hyundai is quite likely to start in NZ or Japan or both.
Don’t overrate the team title visibility, I clearly don’t think it’s a main topic for Toksport, the real main point is winning the driver championship and honestly, a lot of people don’t care.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
+ it’s maximum 1 non-European event as a bonus one so Hyundai can do one at most (NZ could be possible with Paddon already there so it’s the most possible case). But spending money to go to Pacific rally for this a non-sense in my opinion; Kenya would have be more clever in that case.
And in the worst case scenario, there are only 2 R5 cars in Japan Rally today: the Skoda cars used by Kovalainen and the old Japanese guy who was in Croatia. If Toksport really has an issue to win the championship, they still can fund them in exchange for scoring for Toksport (a bit as Movisport model last year); it’s less expensive and almost sure of a 1-2 result as long as they finish.
But I’m pretty sure Toksport will not use this trick except if Hyundai breaks the «*deal*» by registering in New Zealand as a team.
Follow this guy on youtube for presenting spectator viewing points on the stages. In Rally English!
https://youtu.be/tWLUdvWqGIY
https://youtu.be/H1xB9ga5Oj4
Where do you get information on spectator access points etc? I have pass bought but no programme etc seems available?
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I checked it in the website today and if I remember properly it will be released on july 27h
YES, official program made by local newspaper "Keskisuomalainen" is available July 27th. Most probably online version also.Quote:
Originally Posted by polomayu
https://itgetsfasternow.com/2022/07/...-finland-2022/
Route preview is live.
- New shakedown, updated Harju super special
- Two midday services on Friday
- Friday is mostly narrow but very fast and has almost no jumps.
- Saturday and Sunday are more technical and less fast, but also have nice wide road sections and jumps.
- 3/4 Friday stages and both Sunday stages but only a fourth of the long Saturday route are familiar from last year
This my first Rally Finland so.i have few questions?
Can you walk stages before a certain time? (had major issues with this in Sweden)
Do you pay for parking at stages?
Does Finland run a National section similar to other rallies after or between runs?
And if anyone has any tips I would greatly appreciate it.
I actually booked this Trip back in November 2019
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DocMS
Last year walking on stage had to stop one hour before first rally car on the stage.
Parking costs if you're at an official parking zone. You can also use "unofficial" access roads but some of them might be closed quite far from the stage and/or might be too narrow for parking.
On Saturday there's the national Vetomies competition.
One hour before is the guideline, but it really depends on how the marshal on site is behaving. Appreciation both ways help and if spectators don't do anything stupid, then often marshals act common too. On more popular spectating points, especially those that have been used many times, there are good paths in the forest or the field too.Quote:
Originally Posted by DocMS
Parking is something you should prepare a small budget and small cash. Last years it's been €5 always, whether it's field park or roadside. So parking can easily take up to 30-40 euros during the event. Then, like Antti mentioned, some accesses don't have anything, but those are usually the more extreme ones. Last year we had to pay the parking fee because our very small access road and a walk through thd forest started just after the parking area. Parking income goes (mainly) to the locals and it's their roads, their lands, we are their guests, so at least for me it's easy to accept these fees.
Vetomies competition will do SS Harju on Friday and then all stages once between the WRC runs.
Friday
Harju 17.00
Saturday
Päijälä 10.18
Rapsula 11.15
Patajoki 12.30
Vekkula 13.15
There is over 90 entrants.
https://sectorallyfinland.fi/wp-cont...lista_2022.pdf
Vetomies (support event) entries with numbers.
2WD is like reversed, faster ones comes later, quality of 2WD is very good.
What is this Friday... All the good parts missing
Official spectator guide out tomorrow. Likely also virtually.
https://twitter.com/mantyari/status/...YcbincBaZvQk6w
https://nakoislehti.media.fi/keskisu...614/16?lang=fiQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Looks like Ruokomäentie is closed to get to Ahola... :(
Seems that shakedown will get very crowded quick. I guess we have to skip it…
Yes looks like Shakedown will be a challenge, time will tell
Why do you say that Antti?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I'm hearing this more from people who go spectating more than I do, but essentially:
- the only large spectating area is the junction
- The start and finish only offer "bushy" spectating zones and possibly limited parking along a road
- The middle spectating point is only available if you walk there a long distance one hour before the stage and stay there until the stage ends five hours later.
- Much of the stage is a private area so these aforementioned places are the only spots you are allowed to spectate.
- In comparison, almost all of Vesala was allowed for spectating, and had two access points in addition to the start and finish.
agreed, you are on point with everything. shakedown is boring as hell too IMO, basically straight all the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
was makin the route for us yesterday and its bad, dont like this years itinerary at all
Thanks guys.
Something to keep in mind. I guess we will go anyway and try make the best of that stage, last year's shakedown was simply the best place I've ever got to watch a the WRC.....Unbelievable speed!! Such a pity theyve changed the stage for this year.
You might have seen us on J-Records videos. We were the guys with the Ireland flag :D
Has anyone any recommendations on where to go on stages? Preferable away from spectators areas. Fast flowing typical Finland and not square junctions. Don't mind walking few kms from junctions.
Also the access roads on the maps that are not marked as spectator parking etc, are these accessible or do they close them?
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I don't remember shakedown being so bad in 2010, walked in from the start to the junction and back.
I just remember some thorn bushes near the start cutting across the first left hander so watch out for those!
I'm confused, you can only spectate the private area where it's marked in orange...?
@Jewy46 i had some Irish people sing in my video just before that fast right?
It's hard to give advice, there is a lot of fast and flowing this year though you just have to find a spot with decent view, sometimes hard to see from WRC+ onboards so i always check. Most of the roads around the stages have been open if you see the mark close by the stage, unless it's like east of Päijälä where you see two marks going into the narrow road loop and east of Patajoki into tight junction left where you needed a Media/AUX sticker to get in last year. (Some got in another way) Best to check them.
Joonas did some stages last year also, better quality than the recce onboards
https://www.youtube.com/c/JoonasL%C3%B6nn/videos
No the exact opposite, no spectating in orange private areas, only in the four designated areasQuote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
That was us Tor, how could I forget it was your video that we were in! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
It was an excellent place to spectate, the speed of the 2017 WRC cars was outrageous. Totally flat out!
I have driven SD 4 times now, 1st road is not straight and easy, it's challenging...Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
COC said to me yesterday that Shakedown is excellent, it has everything in it what Rally Finland has. It allows drivers to come back Service Park after every run.
But yes for spectators it's very difficult ...
and organization knows it but purpose of Shakedown is to help competitors.
One thing: car #52 young Justus Räikkönen with P208 Rally4 will drive Shakedown in same time slot than Rally1 because he is invited to FIA Press conference.
COC told me that his videos are "very wrong"Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Many of his places are "no spectators" zones because quite many land owners are not rally people and don't want spectators to their land/field. So prepare to have "Plan B" for spectating spot.
My memory is bad so I don't remember which stages COC mentioned but they had to hire more Marshalls for some places because he was advertising those forbidden places.
Where is possible to park the car on Paijala if I want to watch ss somewhere before finish? There is no official parking and all roads to finish are closed ...
That is sad to hear. Obviously the video is targeted at people who are so experienced at spectating rallies that they know to respect land owners, because they know it's important for not canceling a run of a stage and having the rally there next year as well. But some "tourist" could find these videos and consider them an official spectator guide...Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
I don´t think Joonas videos will harm anything for the rally and landowners. As AnttiL says.
I would rather say he points out where not to go, because he is very accurate in his videos. I think COC should not worry. Big crowds will be on ordinary spectating spots.
Huttunen's Puma ready for Finland:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYxNnmAX...jpg&name=large
Most of us often end up in the same places anyway now with WRC+, like in Vekkula i had already picked out 4 of the interesting places he also stopped from the recce video.
Vekkula is not on WRC+ yetQuote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
I know, i reffered to the recce video by the organizer.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Experienced this in Sweden once how WRC+ helps, on the new stage Nyckelvattnet that you couldn't recce yourself because it was closed. 1st run we were 2 people, 2nd run there was 20 because people had seen the place on All live
First 500m of Vekkula stage is "no go" zone, you can't access it even by walking without "resident permission / asukas lupa" paper, access roads are blocked from "bigger road"
Big field by "Morvantie" address is first possible place to spectate. Official "Himos-Jämsä" spectating area is there, with all kind of catering/food opportunities + big viewing screen.