Nobody seems to have mentioned the 4 flat tyres in one weekend. I assume there is a problem with the curbs somewhere.
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Nobody seems to have mentioned the 4 flat tyres in one weekend. I assume there is a problem with the curbs somewhere.
Just a normal Pirelli shit show at this stage to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
we haven't seen much tyres fail in qualifying before. hard to imagine a tyre fails on his first or second lap just by itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...mvNRL7Wb4.html
so i assume there is something to the curbs there that other tracks don't have.Quote:
“It’s not a secret that [many teams] had also damage to chassis, to the floor, to the wings, and when a tyre is worn, it’s less protected from kerbs, big impacts, high-energy impacts.
Possibly but they still have questions to answer over Baku. Their answer of it was "the way the tires were being used" is utter tripe.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
The curbs on this track are brutal. It damaged a few front wings. The abrasive track which wore down the tyres dangerously low and possibly harsh curb loads or carbon fibre from damaged wings had something to do with it. The teams that had tyre failure were believed to have run the tyres longer than was recommended by Pirelli.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
The Pirelli tyres have got better but still look a bit fragile outside normal conditions.
well TBH running them hard beyond their operating window is one issue.
Running them that many laps constantly over abrasive curbs is another.
The fault lies partially with the FIA for not mandating better track limits, partially with the track (only about 5%) and mainly with the teams for leaving their drivers out there too long and pushing their luck. Most 1 stoppers managed just fine. Others probably pushed them too hard on the curbs/
Gasly had his puncture in quali. You know, the part where they drive with brand new tyres. Yet, they were ripped to shreds in 3 seconds.
So that had nothing to do with tyre wear or long runs.
Gasly's front wing broke on the curb and tucked under the car and shattered. The carbon fibre from the shattered wing was believed to be the cause of his tyre failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
I don't remember anyone saying anything about what a great race Alonso did at Qatar. In a normal race, he started 3rd and finished 3rd ahead of Perez in the Redbull. That was a tremendous drive.
The question is whether it might be seen as hubris or just confidence in their package .Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
But then , nobody is talking about the rocket engine they had in Monaco any more , so maybe no one will discover the sandbags they been carrying .
Now , they're being brazen and almost admitting to the whole thing by talking about the rocket in the open , assuming nobody will notice them dumping the sand just because they're in the desert .
So , yeah , it is a "bit fine" , as you say , but , pull it off and they'll get more accolades for winning a "hard fought" battle than they have had ever before in the hybrid era .
Worth it .
You have flogged that conspiracy to death. You only have to be right if Redbull wins both championships. So what is your point? Mercedes train of wins must come to an end for you to be satisfied.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
It is what it is! Pure bare-knuckle racing and the best team shall win it at Abu Dhabi.
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Originally Posted by Bagwan
I love a good conspiracy, especially when it looks more convincing as the season progress's.
I do think they have had things largely in hand with some serious reserve ready to dip into if/as/when required... but I'd also like give Red Bull some credit for making Merc have to work harder and dip into these reserves... and put Merc in a somewhat vulnerable position in the closing races.
I'm just not convinced that the accolades received by cutting it so fine are well judged versus risk (IIRC, risk management was one of Totto's former job roles?) One DNF for Lewis or Bottas now could easily put one or both championships in serious doubt and I just can't see them taking such a huge risk, calculated or not.
Re- Monaco, I suspect their spicy engine is more of a recent thing. I might be wrong but didn't Lewis pit for fresh tyres when he posted that 1 sec faster lap with the rest of the front runners staying out? If not then you have a very valid point.. I'll have to go review that race now though to be sure I'm remembering it correctly.
You lost me there .Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrodaze
You talk as if Redbull is out of it. Any number of things could happen in the next two races. Hence, both Mercedes and Redbull are vulnerable at this point. I would be more confident in Mercedes doing the business if they had not been so glaringly woeful at various points in the season. They are still very capable of messing it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
Besides, these conspiracy theories greatly undermine Redbull's awesome performance this season. Redbull is in a position Ferrari was unable to reach. They are well poised to sweep up one or both titles if Mercedes fail to perform at their best these next two races.
We are essentially at a point that completely disproves the existence of any conspiracy. If there was one, Mercedes would not allow it to get so perilously close at this point of the season. They risk everything at this point. An engine failure, gearbox malfunction or a DNF while overtaking a backmarker can seriously put paid to their championship hopes.
Both teams are having the last two throw of the dice and it could go horribly wrong for either.
My point is , it's been spicier than they've shown all year .Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
They've screwed up in a multitude of uncharacteristic ways , including a magic button , and I just don't believe Merc is as incompetent as they've looked this year .
As this season neared , everyone and his uncle was hoping against hope that somebody , anybody , could take the fight to Merc and the era of domination might end .
It seemed even Mercedes , itself , was really teetering on whether to stick around with the outcome likely to make folks yawn .
But now , with it tight , all are smiling .
If I am correct , and Merc and Lewis don't trip , despite leaving the laces untied most of the year , and win the championships , I think I'll be far more impressed than if it was a cake-walk for them .
I hope I didn't spoil the outcome for anybody there , but it will be epic , and Hamilton will win .
I wouldn't go so far as to say that Red Bull are out of it, absolutely anything can happen as you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrodaze
I just feel that Merc and Lewis are favourites for both championships. About 70/30 in favour of Merc to take the manufacturers title and 60/40 for Lewis to take the WDC... if its a clean fight and they have no issues.
Those are favourable odds. I personally think it is 50:50. And l don't think they are favourites to take both titles either. One maybe. I think they have to chase one at the expense of the other. It would take something special for them to win both. My confidence in Bottas is low. He may cost them the constructors championship. The driver's title depends on their engines working well and no crashes between Hamilton and Verstappen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
All Redbull has to do is to keep applying the pressure and see what unfolds.
It is not as simple as that. Redbull are just as likely to win it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
I have no pride as a poster on this site or others, all I want is that Max takes the price and Kimi scores some points in the remaining races. all the rest is buzzz for me.
It was a laughable statementQuote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
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It has looked far from simple for the Mercedes team to make it appear to have competition this year .Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrodaze
It seems like I have more confidence in Lewis and Merc than you do .
Weird , eh ?
You Hamilton fanboy! :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan