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17th May 2007, 15:25
F1boat

IMO DC will smoke Webbo in Monaco!
17th May 2007, 19:17
Ed

Think Fisi will do well as well as Coulthard and Hiedfeld!!!!!
17th May 2007, 23:55
Valve Bounce

Hey !! F1boat and Ed!! are these bets or just idle chit chat?
18th May 2007, 02:50
ClarkFan

OK, with all the talk about Monaco specialists, I have a question. Who among the current drivers tends to use a late apex in cornering? That was Graham Hill's driving style, and he won 5 of his 14 races at Monaco. Even Stewart and Clark couldn't beat Hill at Monaco, so well did the course suit him. So look for the late apex drivers to step up beyond their usual standing. (And, IIRC, Alonso tends to use an early apex.)

ClarkFan
18th May 2007, 09:56
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by ClarkFan

OK, with all the talk about Monaco specialists, I have a question. Who among the current drivers tends to use a late apex in cornering? That was Graham Hill's driving style, and he won 5 of his 14 races at Monaco. Even Stewart and Clark couldn't beat Hill at Monaco, so well did the course suit him. So look for the late apex drivers to step up beyond their usual standing. (And, IIRC, Alonso tends to use an early apex.)

ClarkFan

Sato?? although sometimes, he forgets to brake, an he hits someone. :p :
18th May 2007, 12:38
Robinho

i reckon a Brit 1-2-3-4, Hamilton, DC, Button, Davidson ;) that would be something to see ;)

in all honesty i can see any one of the 4 getting a good result, Button has had great speed at Monaco in the pat (2nd to Trulli, fastest in practice before knocking himself out the year before and missing the race)

DC has a quick car and a good monaco tradition, Hamilton seems to be quick everywhere and has one there twice in lower formulae, davidson is smooth and has done well in BAR/Honda practice before.

also tips for slipping up the order compared to normal form are Webber, Trulli. Heidfield should be quick, Fisi could have a decent one, all means that it could be tight at the front if the normal top 4 aren't able to exert some sort of superiority in this race
18th May 2007, 13:11
Webslinger

I find it strange how Flat.tyres seems to think that Davidson will not be suited to the Monaco track. Of all the circuits that Davidson has raced on during the last six years or so since leaving karting, he has excelled on street tracks, and that includes Friday practice sessions in F1.

I have to go with the comment above that all four Brits could score well next weekend, with Davidson giving Super Aguri their biggest points finish to date. Sato might have the edge in the "big balls" stuff, but when it comes to finesse on the tighter tracks, the Brit reverses the position. Even at Pau in 2001 in the same car, Sato had no other option but to agree his team-mate excelled on such tracks.

As to whether Hamilton could win in MOnaco, yes, undoubtedly! I just wish the media would give the guy a breather. Here in the UK there is a programme on TV next Monday at 9pm, called 'Greatest Britons', or similar headlining tosh, and Hamilton is one of the nominees...

Come on, give the guy a break... Next year, when he is F1 Champ, yeah, maybe, but not now after just four races, even if the results so far this year do show a mark of potential greatness.
18th May 2007, 13:40
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by Robinho

i reckon a Brit 1-2-3-4, Hamilton, DC, Button, Davidson ;) that would be something to see ;)

If that happens, I'll wade across Albert Park Lake in the nude!! :eek:
I have more chance of winning that 22 million dollars in the lottery later this month. :rolleyes:
18th May 2007, 13:42
Flat.tyres

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webslinger

I find it strange how Flat.tyres seems to think that Davidson will not be suited to the Monaco track. Of all the circuits that Davidson has raced on during the last six years or so since leaving karting, he has excelled on street tracks, and that includes Friday practice sessions in F1.

There are street tracks and street tracks. I never said that he wouldn't do well but that Button was better suited because of his driving style. Ant has the POTENTIAL to beat button, no doubt. hes done it before in carting etc but button has the CONSISTENCY is all I was trying to say. one wheel wrong is all it takes here and Anthony does prefer a slightly more ballsy style of driving to jenson.
18th May 2007, 16:10
ClarkFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

If that happens, I'll wade across Albert Park Lake in the nude!! :eek:
I have more chance of winning that 22 million dollars in the lottery later this month. :rolleyes:

Hope the lake is at least waist deep! :eek:

:p

ClarkFan
18th May 2007, 16:25
wedge

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClarkFan

OK, with all the talk about Monaco specialists, I have a question. Who among the current drivers tends to use a late apex in cornering? That was Graham Hill's driving style, and he won 5 of his 14 races at Monaco. Even Stewart and Clark couldn't beat Hill at Monaco, so well did the course suit him. So look for the late apex drivers to step up beyond their usual standing. (And, IIRC, Alonso tends to use an early apex.)

ClarkFan

Kimi!
18th May 2007, 17:28

Monaco Specialists?

According to the brochure, it's Page & Moy.
19th May 2007, 01:00
Valve Bounce

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webslinger

I find it strange how Flat.tyres seems to think that Davidson will not be suited to the Monaco track. Of all the circuits that Davidson has raced on during the last six years or so since leaving karting, he has excelled on street tracks, and that includes Friday practice sessions in F1.

I have to go with the comment above that all four Brits could score well next weekend, with Davidson giving Super Aguri their biggest points finish to date. Sato might have the edge in the "big balls" stuff, but when it comes to finesse on the tighter tracks, the Brit reverses the position. Even at Pau in 2001 in the same car, Sato had no other option but to agree his team-mate excelled on such tracks.

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PLease don't do a Murray and put the mockers on ant. :(
19th May 2007, 10:11
Webslinger

Never have VB and never would... And after speaking to him a couple of weeks ago, it was Monaco that appeared to be exciting him the most so far this year!
19th May 2007, 14:50
Ian McC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

If that happens, I'll wade across Albert Park Lake in the nude!! :eek:

Will this be posted on youtube? I don't think you will get many viewers :p :
19th May 2007, 15:01
Timber

What do you mean

Hamilton won't win unless McLaren allow him to qualify lighter than he has done so far this year.

What are you talking about and what proof do you have ?
19th May 2007, 16:03
Jimmy Magnusson

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timber

Hamilton won't win unless McLaren allow him to qualify lighter than he has done so far this year.

What are you talking about and what proof do you have ?

Huh? Allow and allow, Hamilton has usually qualified with more fuel than Alonso, hasn't he?
19th May 2007, 16:50
andreag

Australia: Hamilton +1 lap fuel, +.262 secs.
Malaysia: Hamilton +2 laps fuel, +.735 secs.
Bahrain: Hamilton -4 laps fuel, -.257 secs.
Spain: Hamilton +2 laps fuel, +.334 secs.

He only qualified lighter once, 4 laps lighter, and he was .257 faster.
20th May 2007, 07:56
Schultz

At the very least Hamilton is a solid starter. The run down the the first corner will be pivitol, but honestly, I don't think Hamilton will be in the battle for victory next week. I just got the feeling he'll make one mistake that will cost him dearly.
20th May 2007, 12:15
millencolin

i think hamilton will right off his car in qualifying and have to start towards the back

just a hunch
20th May 2007, 16:24
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by Schultz

I just got the feeling he'll make one mistake that will cost him dearly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by millencolin

i think hamilton will right off his car in qualifying and have to start towards the back

If anyone's a Monaco "specialist" then it's Hamilton ;) Two wins there in Euro F3, and one last year in GP2. He knows his way around the place ok :cool:
20th May 2007, 16:51
ioan

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

If anyone's a Monaco "specialist" then it's Hamilton ;) Two wins there in Euro F3, and one last year in GP2. He knows his way around the place ok :cool:

It seems that Sutil is also very good there as he did already outqualify Hamilton in Monaco.
20th May 2007, 20:22
Bezza

The top four will not be all McLaren and Ferrari in qualifying, AND a non-McLaren or Ferrari will get at least one of the three podium places. Thats all I'm willing to predict but the current lockout will be broken by someone.
21st May 2007, 03:27
Valve Bounce

DC!!
21st May 2007, 04:59
Ari

Hamilton or Webber.

If RBR can provide a car and a gearbox (and fuel cap!!) to make the distance Webber will be a force.

Shall be interesting to see the performance of the mechanical grip of the RBR.
21st May 2007, 05:26
Roamy

stick a fork in webber he is done

newey will bring in a shoe
21st May 2007, 05:44
aryan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

DONE!! :up:

Valve, I propose to add one clause to our bet:

If either Webber or DC DNF due to mechanical failure, then the bet is off.

Agreed?
21st May 2007, 07:54
raikk

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Originally Posted by jens

The so-called drivers circuit hosts the next Grand Prix and I guess that it's time to discuss about "Monaco specialists" - drivers, who more or less manage to shine every year and put their machinery up higher than expected. Five such names spring to mind immediately that I suppose we should follow carefully next weekend: Räikkönen, Trulli, Fisichella, Coulthard, Webber. Even if on other circuits they haven't been able to be competitive, then at Monaco they have succeeded.

Räikkönen: Qualified crap McLaren up to fifth in 2004, was truly dominant in 2005 and looked even faster than Alonso last year in arguably an inferior car. I suppose that he is one of the favourites and this is the circuit, where it's quite likely to see him as Ferrari's number one. But team-mate Massa is a bit of unknown quantity though - last year ruined his chances in qualifying and for the whole race we didn't see that how quick he really can be. He was 5th in 2004, but mainly thanks to retirements.

Trulli: There has been discussion about his Monaco drives in another topics. When he was driving for Prost, then I think his Monaco races were the first ones, where I really noticed him. Before that I just knew, that there is a guy named Trulli in F1 and I basically knew nothing more, but when drivers were racing at Monaco, then I wondered that how did he manage to put this car that high up.

Fisichella: I think he has been a bit unlucky in his Renault years at Monaco. In 2005 he was running 3rd before tyres worn off. Last year he got penalized after quali, which dropped him to P10 and after that he got stuck behind someone for most of the race in spite of passing 3 drivers on track. But at the end of the race, when he was in free water, he managed to keep Schumacher's speed quite well, who was the fastest at that time! He has finished on podium for twice. He has also shone in crap cars. In 2001 he qualified 10th in that hopeless Benetton and could have scored points if he hadn't hit the wall at Ste Devote. And in 2003 he qualified 12th in an awful Jordan and finished 10th only because there were no losses among the top teams.

Coulthard: In 90s he really managed nothing special at Monaco. He got one second place in '96, but largely thanks to retirements and got beaten by Panis in an inferior car in the process. His Monaco reputation comes mainly during from years 2000-2002. Then he was out of pace in 2003-2004 again only to start shining in Red Bull.

Webber: His Monaco reputation derives probably mainly from last year, when he managed to drive truly an incredible race, which was maybe even the most outstanding performance of his career. But also in Jaguar in 2003 he was driving 9th as best of the rest behind top teams until retirement. And it's also worth mentioning that the only podium place of his career has been achieved at Monaco.

What about others? Heidfeld has also been quick, but as he is so consistent, then he hasn't shone at Monaco more than on other circuits. But nonetheless the best result of his career is also achieved at Monaco plus finished 7th in a crap Jordan back in 2004. Alonso hasn't been poor at Monaco, but he hasn't managed to shine either. Probably he'll make another solid race.

It's tough to rate youngsters, but what about them?
Hamilton won GP2 race last year there - may that be some kind of a sign? Liuzzi finished 10th last year, which marked a decent result - may he achieve something similar again?

In the past the driver skills used to come out more than they do now. In 1991 Stefano Modena qualified in an incredible second only to retire from the same position. In 1996 many were amused by Schumacher's pole in an inferior car. In 1998 Fisichella (Q3, R2) and Salo (Q8, R4) were quite outstanding. In 2000 Trulli qualified 2nd and Alesi 7th in a crap Prost, alas both had to retire from the same positions. In 2000-2001 Irvine scored his best positions at Monaco: 4th and 3rd. But it seems that after the permission of traction control the number of outstanding performances has reduced and the strength of teams/cars have been quite similar to other circuits unless Monaco has been a very suitable circuit for a team that usually wasn't that good on other tracks like Renault in 2004. Webber's performance was quite unbelievable last year, but we also can't ignore that the circuit really suited Williams-Cosworth: Rosberg was running 6th during the first stint and probably would have gone faster if he hadn't been stuck behind Barrichello.

So what can we expect from this year's race? Probably the best cars like Ferrari and McLaren will be in the front again. But what might happen behind them? May that bunch of 'specialists' - JT, GF, MW, DC - interfere BMWs? Ibid last years have shown that cars with powerful engines have been very competitive (like Williams-Cosworth in 2006 or Williams-BMW in 2005) and as arguably BMW has one of the best engines at the moment, then may they interfere McLaren and Ferrari? How can last year's revelation Williams compete this year with new engine supplier?

What are your thoughts? Will anyone, who hasn't managed to shine so far this year, surprise us? And the answer may be either a team or a driver.

Hamilton is undefeated in Monaco.... he will have the best opportunetly to win here me thinks...
21st May 2007, 07:56
raikk

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

If anyone's a Monaco "specialist" then it's Hamilton ;) Two wins there in Euro F3, and one last year in GP2. He knows his way around the place ok :cool:

sorry didn't see that lol.. 100% agreed...
21st May 2007, 10:32
Valve Bounce

Quote:

Originally Posted by aryan

Valve, I propose to add one clause to our bet:

If either Webber or DC DNF due to mechanical failure, then the bet is off.

Agreed?

We could insitgate a bunsen substitute :D
21st May 2007, 12:57
ShiftingGears

Judging by the amount of names dropped in this thread I think we should be instead asking ourselves who isn't a Monaco specialist :p :
21st May 2007, 13:39
Valve Bounce

Quote:

Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

Judging by the amount of names dropped in this thread I think we should be instead asking ourselves who isn't a Monaco specialist :p :

Good point!! It does seem that everyone who is not on the front of the grid these days have been mentioned as Monaco Specialists. I could say Kubica, but then the guy just might end up on the front of the grid then :(
21st May 2007, 16:50
aryan

The ones I consider better at Monco:

Kimi, Hamilton, DC, Webber, Hidfield, Truli, the Ant.

The ones I don't consider Monaco specialists:

Massa, Alonso, Sato, Schumacher, Fisichella, Rosberg, Wurz, Albers.

The rest are unknown quantities.
21st May 2007, 16:53
aryan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

We could insitgate a bunsen substitute :D

Mate, what's it between you and this bunsen? :D You never get tired of this chap, do you? ;)
21st May 2007, 23:18
OmarF1

Kovalainen won at Monaco back in two thousand and five at Grand Prix Two World Series.

Just for the record and too recall some good drivers at the principality.
22nd May 2007, 01:54
Valve Bounce

Quote:

Originally Posted by aryan

Valve, I propose to add one clause to our bet:

If either Webber or DC DNF due to mechanical failure, then the bet is off.

Agreed?

I suggest we replace the retiree with Bunsen to keep the dream alive :D
22nd May 2007, 03:48
aryan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

I suggest we replace the retiree with Bunsen to keep the dream alive :D

This is the wierdest bet ever...

OK mate, the first who retires takes Jensen. The second retirement means the deal is off.! :)
22nd May 2007, 04:19
Valve Bounce

Quote:

Originally Posted by aryan

This is the wierdest bet ever...

OK mate, the first who retires takes Jensen. The second retirement means the deal is off.! :)

Okee Dokee!! :)

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