https://www.ewrc-results.com/cars/14...&sct=&w=#stats
Yes. it's a Rally2 Kit (previously known as R4 Kit).
The fact that there's already several Audi A1's built with the Oreca kit makes the Ekström news more ridiculous...
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https://www.ewrc-results.com/cars/14...&sct=&w=#stats
Yes. it's a Rally2 Kit (previously known as R4 Kit).
The fact that there's already several Audi A1's built with the Oreca kit makes the Ekström news more ridiculous...
Very ridiculous.
Modern rally world is a land of confusion :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlBIa8z_Mts
That's what I'm telling, it's friggin confusingQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
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The people who know what Kit Cars were, will not cofuse it and for the rest it doesn't really matter. Kit Cars are just a distant history for most of the people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
The R4 cars are good, the problem is the price, and as somebody said before, there is not a car brand pushing to grow, just Oreca trying to sell kits. The other problem is that the R4 cars are into the Rally2 class and have to compete against the R5 cars.
The solution could be to create a CUP into the Rally2 class only for R4 cars, so this way the drivers are competing for something and could get a prix. In other words, FIA should try to do something like Spain and Italy are doing with the N5 cars.
It's a bit of chicken and egg situation. Why create a cup when there's no drivers? Or why buy/build a car when there's no cup/championship to participate in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian Baldi
Such cars can compete in ERC2. This category was created for group N cars, but it also includes Rally2 kits now:Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
https://www.fiaerc.com/suzuki-motor-...swift-r4lly-s/
This is not new car, it was competing last year also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
It looks like there will be more Rally2-kit cars in ERC2 this year. And some others were planning to build it, but when FIA is slightly killing this category, I am not sure if they will build it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
I know, but there is nothing for them in WRC events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Old kicars did had engine and drivetrain from same brand. Like Astra or Golf KC. Did I understand right Oreca sells PSA engine in their kit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Yes, the engine is PSA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Anyway in fact the Rally2 Kit are cars which are by definition true kit cars unlike the old ones because they are being sold by Oreca as a kit to be installed in whatever bodyshell.
Yeah, this just seems to be a language thing, I've called them Rally2Kit cars, because they are simply cars, made to/from Rally2Kit regs/kit...
Call it Rally2,5, case closed :D
The same here, they are cars using this Rally 2 kitsQuote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
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Or Rally2Kit-ver2,0 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Or half past Rally2 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
But it doesn't matter anymore, becaue this class is nowhere on the latest Rally Sporting Pyramid from the FIA, so it seems it will be dead soon:
https://www.fiaerc.com/erc-central-t...amid-from-fia/
Alternatively, Rally2 is TCR while Rally2Kit & AP4 are NGTC..
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What a disappointment! Enrico Windisch and his Audi finish the rally down in the 46th position:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
http://www.blaufraenkischlandrallye....resultate.html
a) he is gentleman driverQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
b) on SS 4 he was more than 6 minutes out of road...
As mentioned in another thread, Dylan Turner has been driving an Audi built to AP4 regulations in NZ since 2017. Reportedly, it cost more to build than to import a new R5 car back then! https://www.nzrallycars.co.nz/1-audi-s1.html It does look great in the flesh.
There are a few clarifications on the figures below.
1. RC2 and RC4 is now made up of classes that today have few or none cars used in international rallies.
2. 2wd cars are out of WRC championships. To bad. Guess that the plan from FIA is that most drivers start off in ERC and then move up to WRC.
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Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Which is the best way for drivers imho :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
From which document is that picture with classes?
Sorry, no pdf.
https://scontent.fopo3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...6f&oe=60687990
https://scontent.fopo3-1.fna.fbcdn.n...15&oe=6068D557
https://scontent.fopo3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...b2&oe=606B1A55
https://scontent.fopo3-1.fna.fbcdn.n...42&oe=606B3355
https://scontent.fopo3-1.fna.fbcdn.n...a4&oe=6069D8C1
https://scontent.fopo3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...62&oe=60692799
https://scontent.fopo3-1.fna.fbcdn.n...23&oe=606952E0
https://scontent.fopo3-1.fna.fbcdn.n...f7&oe=606A9C96
https://scontent.fopo3-1.fna.fbcdn.n...92&oe=606B4F0B
https://scontent.fopo3-1.fna.fbcdn.n...27&oe=606B3DB5
https://scontent.fopo3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...9b&oe=606BC593
https://scontent.fopo3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...8a&oe=606AEC46
https://scontent.fopo3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...af&oe=606BEEC9
https://scontent.fopo3-1.fna.fbcdn.n...09&oe=6068C202
https://scontent.fopo3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...2b&oe=606BB9C1
https://scontent.fopo3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...56&oe=60699297
Thanks. I know I have seen it somewhere in PDF, but I was not able to find it again. But I think according to this material, table on page 16 is wrong...
Sure it is,
RC1 only Rally1 (WRC)
Rally4 is RC4
Now i would like a clarification of WRC website "lie".
But there is no plan to include Rally2-kit cars into WRC2. They can compete in WRC, but only in general classification.
Anyone with a link to the document that is painted in here?
WRC website says: "Ekström’s newly-formed EKS JC team is developing a Rally2-specification Quattro A1"Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
This is not true. They are developing Rally2-kit, which is completely different car than Rally2...
Yes, thats why i said "lie". All the announce is marketing bullshit.
Now it's also on the official website of the ERC:
https://www.fiaerc.com/ekstrom-unlea...lly2-kit-audi/
At least they didn't have any factual errors, and the car could be competitive in ERC2 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
One of the first drivers to have a go in the brand new Audi A1 quattro is... the original Stig himself!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53y0wAe_8QU