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Safety car again
Is Albon ahead of Perez? Did anyone see what happened.
Haas still using cheap brakes it seems. Both cars out with brake problems as they have had for the last four seasons.
Unlucky Albon. But gutsy attack. He had to do it. But Hamilton takes no prisoners.
Patience Albon. Just threw away a certain win
Leclerc seems good to win this race with the two Mercs limping forward.
I'd be disappointed if Hamilton got a penalty over that. Yes, he could and probably should have left a bit more room, but that was the kind of move that often goes badly. Overtaking on the outside of a fast corner makes you look great when you pull it off, but often ends up with someone in tears.
Leclerc smells blood and he is going for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
While Vettel just got overtaken and lost P10. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrodaze
One second penalty. This is Bottas's race to lose now.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
Wasn't it five seconds?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrodaze
5 sec penalty for Hamilton? Why? He was on the inside and just held his racing line through that corner. Clearly Albon's mistake!
The penalties are looking very bizzare now. Such very late penalty again on Perez.
As I said, you need to leave space for the car on the outside, so with the rules in hand, it was a fine penalty. But I still think it was too stringent.Quote:
Originally Posted by gm99
Sorry 5 sec it was. I calculated the difference the car behind at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
Not really, Masi say gloves of racing. That was gloves off racing. So it was not really consistent.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
Mclaren on the podium with Norris. That is brilliant.
Landoooooooo
Masi can say whatever he wants, but my point is about the rulebook.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrodaze
Bottas is sitting pretty at the mo, with that points gap to Hamilton. This is going to be short but very interesting season.
True, but how the rules is applied is Massi's say. And he says gloves off.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
Well done lando.
The only good thing from today.
Shady penalty on Hamilton. Nothing for Norris who barged Perez out of the way 🤷🏻*♂️
Oh well. On to the next race.
As I said Mercedes insistence on trying to orchestrate the race has come back to bite them. There was a point where Hamilton was trying to overtake bottle but they effectively told them to hold station in their overconfidence. There was nothing wrong with the cars based on the late race pace. Then at the 2nd safety car they should have pitted Hamilton to cover Albon. Smh
At least we got another race next week.
yup. And to make matters worse no penalty for Norris he just barged into Perez while Perez was still ahead on turn3 and stupid sky f1 crew were like that’s a fine move. Laughable. I would protest if I was MercedesQuote:
Originally Posted by Nitrodaze
Mercedes did not impress from the pitwall. Not pitting one car put them under pressure from Redbull. They were too tame this race.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Come on, Norris' move was definitely legitimate. Pérez left the door wide open and Norris just took the opportunity into the inner line, leaving more than enough space for Pérez. Pérez just wasn't expecting there, but they banged wheels, which happens all the time in racing and is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
I thought the stewards at this race were crap really. we could see signs of it with the very last minute penalty for Hamilton which had him starting the race 5th. The penalty for Perez was just as dodgy. D**kheads reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Savage race. Bottas got a victory he richly deserved and Hamilton got the 4th he just about deserved. LeClerc and Norris are stars. I’m a big fan of Norris so delighted that he got the podium. It has been so long since McLaren were on the podium - thrilled for them.
And LeClerc- what can I say? He’s showing all the signs of a future great in the sport once more.
Albon/Hamilton incident I felt was a racing incident. I think it Albon took risk that can sometimes pay off and other times it doesn’t at that corner. A bit harsh as I felt Lewis did leave him the cars width. Hamilton’s head is not in the game, been clear all weekend so have little sympathy for him.
Vettel - bloody hell. SMH.
Again, nothing wrong with the penalty for Pérez. I don't really know what you guys are droning on about. Seriously, Pérez' penalty was for speeding in the pitlane. That's as clear-cut as they go, so what's the point with all the moaning?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrodaze
Yes, I get that Hamilton's penalty was way too stringent, but the other things just don't make any sense.
I agree, Perez left the door wide open there.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
Wasn't that penalty for speeding in the pit lane? What's so dodgy about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrodaze
It was the timing of the application of the penalty that is in dispute. It almost seemed like an afterthought. For speeding in the pitlane, that should be something that they can issue a penalty for very quickly. It was several laps after everyones mind had moved on to a different aspect of the race that the penalty came.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
I'm getting the impression that Nitrodaze got confused and assumed that Pérez' penalty was about the unsafe release.Quote:
Originally Posted by gm99
Edit: never mind.
I believe perez penalty was for speeding in the pits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrodaze
The albon penalty on Hamilton was very suspect. Hamilton was ahead going into the corner, just because albon accelerated during the corner doesn't make it hamilton's fault.
If he was ahead into the corner then all expectations are that he will continue accordingly without albon trying to make an impossible pass.
The sad thing for Albon was that he had a real shot at winning this race if he got past Hamilton. He would have approached Bottas at a very rapid pace and probably overtook him.
his immaturity on not understanding how to setup a proper pass cost him victory and hamilton dearly.
My only solace is that Horner left today at his home grand prix with zero points after his shenanigans and stupid protests.
Karma
It is very possible that l missed something. Please explain what you noticed.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
agreedQuote:
Originally Posted by Nitrodaze
I have to say l agree with you there. Redbull were looking like pointless pratagonists. I think it is unfair to ask Hamilton to make it easy for Albon to overtake him. This is racing and it is up to Albon to initiate a successful overtake. So the penalty was unfair and inconsistent. Afterall, Verstapenn punted Leclerc of the track at a similar corner on this circuit last season to win the race. So where is the consistency.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Anyway, with the race out of the way, a few thoughts:
- Bottas has been quite lucky this weekend IMO, but I certainly don't get the impression that he was the quicker Mercedes driver - at least not on Sunday IMO. He took pole by a minimal advantage, but then saw his 7.5 s lead to Hamilton reduced to 3.8 s in just a couple of laps. We might have seen Lewis passing him on track if it wasn't by Merc's reliability problems, or team orders, depending on the hat you're wearing.
- Bloody hell, Vettel. 2019 was a super messy season from him and 2020 couldn't have started much worse.
- The McLaren guys are looking very fine. Lovely podium for Lando, with a bit of luck with all the attrition and avoiding being impeded by the yellow flag in Q3 - and Sainz also putting on a nice display which almost meant that he was the orange driver to finish on the podium. It's fairly sad that McLaren will still need some mess ahead to challenge for podiums, but it's still a very welcome improvement with respect to 2019.
- That Tracing Point is fast.
- I'd advise against making many predictions for the rest of the season based on this race. This is a rather unique circuit which normally causes more reliability problems than most, and where engine power is more important than normal. With that in mind, and knowing that Ferrari will be bringing a spec B car to Hungary, I'd definitely expect them to steer clear of the Racing Points and McLarens. Well, at least Leclerc, that is.
- OMG, Latifi on P11 was nice, but still, rotten luck for Russell. I think he'd have managed to score his maiden point had it not been for the retirement. Kinda reminds me of the German GP where Kubica finished ahead on him on what was basically a fluke.
I didn't get that you were criticizing the late timing on the penalty as you hadn't made that explicit earlier, and the Sky crew had been mentioning the possibility of a penalty for an unsafe release for him, so I thought that you'd assumed the penalty was for an unsafe release rather than speeding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrodaze
That said, yes, the penalty did come out a bit late, but I don't think it was strange considering everything race direction had to deal with. And on top of that, what difference would it have made to have the penalty issued five laps earlier anyway? It's not like it would have had much of an effect on strategies or on-track action anyway, seeing as though Pérez got rightfully passed by both McLarens anyway.
I firmly believe there is an element of "entertainment" in some of these judgement calls or to knock mercedes down a peg. The brazil penalty was borderline but i could see it. This was at at worst a racing incident and in all honesty an overzealous attempt by Albon. He would have got hamilton on the start straight, or the long straight then probably pass Bottas a lap or two later. The irony is that F1 is back and all the same talking points are back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrodaze
Shoddy stewards decisions, Vettel clumsiness, RBR/Horner insufferable shenanigans, RBR reliability on verstappens car, ricciardo dnf, mercedes missteps from the pitwall, lol
yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
There is a certain arrogance at the mercedes ptwall that always see them make critical strategy errors.
1. let them race. At that point they were a good 11 seconds and pulling away from the rest, they could afford a tussle and i think bottas and hamilton have enough respect for one another to not take each other out. They were assured a 1-2 either way, so why not entertain the fans.
2. ...which leads into them not pitting one or both drivers on the 2nd safety car for the new pair of softs or mediums they each had. It continues to amaze me how, I can see that from my couch, but the strategist with their millions of data points and dozens of people can;t figure it out. That is essentially the problem with committee management. too many voices no single person brave enough to make the call.
3. I honestly feel that the team is that dominant that they should just be run as 2 seperate units, each doing what's best for their side of the garage and only tot intervening if it is absolutely warranted. They have more than 50% chance of winning each race with either car so why not? Because it was actually a bit disheartening on lap 36 of a 71 lap race to hear them talking about effectively bringing home a 1-2. SMH
also agree on the bottas comments. Let's see what happens next week.