Should F1 start Racing in May?

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I've heard that donKeys are immune to "purposeful exposure" .

Mr. Jote was not the only one to rankle at the term "manufactured" .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I've heard that donKeys are immune to "purposeful exposure" .

Mr. Jote was not the only one to rankle at the term "manufactured" .

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Understood

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

Currently, drugs are being trialled against the virus or it’s effects and as far as I know nobody is worried about any mutations at the moment.

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Since we calling each other out, eh what about this https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...n-and-covid-19

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

Ok, Manufacture is unproven hence is inappropriately stated. But the call to avoid Chine is not, which is my thoughts on the matter. Baggy, do you think l am wrong on this one or is it the use of words that bother you?

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The use of "manufactured" implies a lot .

Some folks out there wanted this thing called the "Wuhan Virus" , or the "China virus" .
One could suspect that these same people may have manufactured the idea that this thing was intentionally manufactured .

The call to avoid anywhere is prudent right now . It is not just China .

We need to be very careful right now because there is a slurry of misinformation out there , and kicking China , or anybody else while the body count still rises is of little use .
I think we'll find , when the dust settles a little , that China perhaps deserves less kicking than they are getting .

Scapegoats are not immune to "purposeful exposure" .

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

Since we calling each other out, eh what about this https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...n-and-covid-19

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Not quite sure what you’re getting at :cornfused:
When I read that link it appeared to imply nobody is worried about any mutations at the moment. That’s why I posted it as a response to TBN‘s assertion that a vaccine might be difficult because the virus is mutating “so quickly”.
Anyway
sun is shining
I’m off on my 自行车 for another “peddle”
:wave:

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

Not quite sure what you’re getting at :cornfused:
When I read that link it appeared to imply nobody is worried about any mutations at the moment. That’s why I posted it as a response to TBN‘s assertion that a vaccine might be difficult because the virus is mutating “so quickly”.
Anyway
sun is shining
I’m off on my 自行车 for another “peddle”
:wave:

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

The use of "manufactured" implies a lot .

Some folks out there wanted this thing called the "Wuhan Virus" , or the "China virus" .
One could suspect that these same people may have manufactured the idea that this thing was intentionally manufactured .

The call to avoid anywhere is prudent right now . It is not just China .

We need to be very careful right now because there is a slurry of misinformation out there , and kicking China , or anybody else while the body count still rises is of little use .
I think we'll find , when the dust settles a little , that China perhaps deserves less kicking than they are getting .

Scapegoats are not immune to "purposeful exposure" .

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Point taken

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

Well it says the virus is mutating but slowly so if a vaccine is found, it has a small window of effectiveness. Somehow you read it differently! Probably right for you to head to your 自行车 on your high donkey.

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What this means for a vaccine

The mutations likely won’t interfere with the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccine.
In fact, the slow and mild nature of the mutations is good news for a vaccine.
“The virus is still so similar now to the initial sequence that there isn’t really much reason to think the differences will matter in terms of vaccine,” Neuman said.
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/comparison to flu vaccine/
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“It should be possible to make an effective COVID-19 vaccine that will provide long-lasting immunity against this particular virus just as we have for many other viruses that do not change rapidly,” Rose added.When we finally have a COVID-19 vaccine, it will most likely protect people against the “vast majority of circulating COVID-19 strains for the foreseeable mutations,” Schleiss said.
Even if random mutations do occur down the road, Schleiss believes the worst-case scenario is that we’ll see some breakthrough infections, but we wouldn’t have breakthrough life-threatening disease.

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sheesh. Somehow I did read it differently :dozey:

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

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What this means for a vaccine

The mutations likely won’t interfere with the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccine.
In fact, the slow and mild nature of the mutations is good news for a vaccine.
“The virus is still so similar now to the initial sequence that there isn’t really much reason to think the differences will matter in terms of vaccine,” Neuman said.
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/comparison to flu vaccine/
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“It should be possible to make an effective COVID-19 vaccine that will provide long-lasting immunity against this particular virus just as we have for many other viruses that do not change rapidly,” Rose added.When we finally have a COVID-19 vaccine, it will most likely protect people against the “vast majority of circulating COVID-19 strains for the foreseeable mutations,” Schleiss said.
Even if random mutations do occur down the road, Schleiss believes the worst-case scenario is that we’ll see some breakthrough infections, but we wouldn’t have breakthrough life-threatening disease.

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sheesh. Somehow I did read it differently :dozey:

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shresh

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

This is not about holding China as a scapegoat. It is about understanding the truth of the origin and nature of the virus. And the chinese connection to the virus is circumstantial but a fact that does not amount to making China a scapegoat. Besides, the chinese themselves are making black people in their country a scapegoat of this outbreak. Kicking them out of Hotels, rented apartments and refusing to serve them in McDonalds of all places.

When Ebola was found in Africa, everyone was comfortable with the scapegoating of the Africans. So l beg to differ. We must highlight the facts and take necessary precautions taking into considerations the facts.

Another example, there is another coronavirus called MERS, which stands for Middle Eastern Resperatory Syndrome. Everyone is comfortable with that label and it is stated as such in various literature. The Spanish Flu is another instance. I see no reason why the SARS COV should not be called CARS-COV or Chinese Acute Respitory Syndrome. Because it is and it is the fact.

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I was writing about a guy with orange hair when I said "some folks" .
He's using the Chinese as a scapegoat .

I don't remember Africans being blamed for Ebola .

Middle Eastern is not country specific , and the Spanish flu was from a different era entirely , so neither are examples that are applicable here .

"Co" , for corona , and V , for virus is the descriptive , and "19" refers to the year found .
Specific place names are being used for specific strains only .


By the way , I read that article that you posted and was also confused because it seemed to prove donKey's point , not yours .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

and the Spanish flu was from a different era entirely

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And most likely from a different area, as Spain is one of the countries where it's not believed to have originated, with British army camps in France, the Habsburg empire, China or even the US deemed to have been the source.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I was writing about a guy with orange hair when I said "some folks" .
He's using the Chinese as a scapegoat .

I don't remember Africans being blamed for Ebola .

Middle Eastern is not country specific , and the Spanish flu was from a different era entirely , so neither are examples that are applicable here .

"Co" , for corona , and V , for virus is the descriptive , and "19" refers to the year found .
Specific place names are being used for specific strains only .


By the way , I read that article that you posted and was also confused because it seemed to prove donKey's point , not yours .

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Really!

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

Looks more like Billy’s missus... how is she by the way? :bandit:

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:sailor: :dork: ;)

As much as I’d like to see it return, no it’s a bit early IMO.


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henners , nice to see you .
How's isolation treating you and yours ?

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

henners , nice to see you .
How's isolation treating you and yours ?

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Hey Bagwan, I’m good thanks and you? Isolation is pretty dull isn’t it but busy working and playing teacher lol.


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The logistics of organizing a f1 season at this time make it very difficult. It's better to write this season off

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Hey Bagwan, I’m good thanks and you? Isolation is pretty dull isn’t it but busy working and playing teacher lol.


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We're staying busy planting a killer garden this year .
The asparagus is just poking through now here . A week or so until we taste it .
Peas in .
Beans in .
Spuds in .
Salad mix in .
Kohlrabi in .

Coming soon.................more .

Lockdown in paradise , my friend .
Sorry for bragging .

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I don't remember Africans being blamed for Ebola .

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That is because you are not African. You casually went about your life without bother or hinderance. But Afiricans on flights into western nations at the time, had a totally different experience.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Middle Eastern is not country specific , and the Spanish flu was from a different era entirely , so neither are examples that are applicable here.

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My point is that it labels a desease after identifiable section of human population. Middle Eastern might be a region, but the stigma of the name of the virus extends to any nation in the Middle East.
Yes, the Spanish flu was from a different era. But it is an example of how typically the medical industry stigmatizes an entire people by naming a desease after them. The Spanish flu has a very dark history, as it was responsible for wiping out the Aztec Nation during the first European contact with Aztec natives.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

"Co" , for corona , and V , for virus is the descriptive , and "19" refers to the year found .
Specific place names are being used for specific strains only ..

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There are two parts to the pandemic, the virus and the consequential illness. The current Illness is codenamed COVID-19, the virus actually responsible for it, is called SAR-CoV2. SAR-CoV stands for Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus. Hence the need for artificial respirators to assist COVID-19 patients in the latter stages of the infection. Make no mistake, this bug is really bad.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

By the way , I read that article that you posted and was also confused because it seemed to prove donKey's point , not yours .

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The article in question is highly speculative and it does not have any research or lab trials behind it. Hence at the tail end of the article, the doctors stated that any vaccine found for the SAR-Cov2 virus is likely to be effective for three years [mainly due to the mutation of the virus]. And thereafter, the infected is likely to contract the desease easily. They suggested herd immunity as a way of curbing the spread of the desease, but did not provide any real data to suggest that this would be successfull.

A research based proof for the herd immunity approach is particularly important as the process of herd immunization is likely to wipe out a vast majority of living elderly people over 60 years of age. The same is likely for a vast population of people with compromised immune system; either due to being under treatment for other deseases or outpatients for any immune system depreciating illness.

So we should not take article such as these at face value because their real consequences in terms of human mortaliity can be quite significant [to plague proportions actually]. I suppose they implicitly mean "survival of the fittest", but the fittest can also be taken by this bug also.

"That is because you are not African. You casually went about your life without bother or hinderance. But Afiricans on flights into western nations at the time, had a totally different experience."

They were feared , and experienced it as racism .

That is different from being scapegoated .


Should F1 start racing in May ?

What Year ?

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

They were feared , and experienced it as racism .

That is different from being scapegoated .

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Why were they feared? Feared as criminals? Or feared as terrorists?

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Should F1 start racing in May ?

What Year ?

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Now that is a good question? There is a good chance that this season could be written off. There is also a good chance that we see some televised racing in July this year. Your guess is a good as mine really.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I've heard that donKeys are immune to "purposeful exposure" .

Mr. Jote was not the only one to rankle at the term "manufactured" .

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Baggy, you and DonKey have a problem with the use of the term manufactured. I get it, it is a stark accusation without proof. What if that assertion came from someone within the microbiology industry. Well checkout the following video and make up your own minds about it.

https://youtu.be//ICtsXNtf_GQ

Does it look artificial to you? umm

https://www.fpm.org.uk/wp-content/up...M_COVID-19.png

I can't prove it obviously, but it stinks of fraud, coverups and premeditation. Maybe l am just paranoid!

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

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Try this :-

https://youtu.be//ICtsXNtf_GQ

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

Try this :-

https://youtu.be//ICtsXNtf_GQ

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I spent the valuable minutes and watched the whole thing .
It smells to me like somebody is trying to whip up Bubba into a freedom frenzy .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I spent the valuable minutes and watched the whole thing .
It smells to me like somebody is trying to whip up Bubba into a freedom frenzy .

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Maybe another take on this messy situation. But there is no smoke without fire they say.

Who stands to gain from this pandemic? Somebody does!

Jimmy Hoffa .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Jimmy Hoffa .

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Nah Jerry Mcguire!

By the way, the video has been pulled from youtube. powerful forces at play.

I'm not a doctor , but I play one on TV .
Powerful propaganda at play .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I'm not a doctor , but I play one on TV .
Powerful propaganda at play .

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I agree, both ways tho.

I think the world is a bit stir crazy, and we all want all this mess to end sooner rather than later. Most of us want to get back to work, social events, sports, and Formula 1. But we are walking on a slippery slope here, and I'm not sure what is going to become of the F1 season that remains, if in fact it does even take place. I'm not going to even pretend to think that we know all we really need to know to make getting the season rolling soon happen. All we can do is hope that the driving forces behind the ideas have a safe way to make it happen when the time comes. We've all been more restricted and want to have some fun, but it can't be at the expense of those the most vulnerable. Am I bummed that any local music and food events are off the table? Sure. Am I even more bummed that the music festival I was going to attend with my daughter next month has been cancelled? You bet. Heck it's mothers day in the US and I can't even take my wife out for a nice meal. Finding good fresh seafood to go is a pain in the butt, but that is where I'm at right now.

But I also have an older cousin who is hoping her husband makes it off the ventilator and survives this thing. And huge numbers of others are in the same situation, and over a quarter of a million are dealing with the grief of a loss already. Yeah, I want my F1. But not at the risk of rolling the dice on if it might cost someone their life or health. If we screw it up, any of us, that might be something we'd have to live with for the rest of our lives.





As for all the theories, conspiracy or otherwise, this thing is more complex than a simple solution. If the solution was simple the trend of prevention/treatments would have long ago showed up in the data. Many of the world experts on these things disagree on many of the ideas, not at all for lack of effort.

So my contribution is just donating some computer power to https://foldingathome.org/
It's currently by far the worlds most powerful computer, working hard to feed data points to the experts that might figure this thing out. They have been through some growing pains in the process, but many volunteers on both the small and large corporate level have stepped up. Among other things, they are researching just about every approved drug that might help in the treatment of COVID-19.



Stay safe out there, motorsports fans. Do the right thing and keep others safe as well. Maybe all this extended boredom, restriction, adaptation, economy wrenching, uncertainty, and everything else involved will put us in our place a little bit. And hopefully when we sort it out, we will all appreciate our simple freedoms we have all taken for granted day to day in normal life.

Shifter , I hope your cousin comes out of it OK .

I agree with every word .

I am reading that F1 is announcing the first races to be held this year .
I'm hoping they've got this right .

It is begining to look like a July start may not happen after all. We are not hearing the usual chatter about a formal agreement with governments.

OK, the F1 Management has committed to eight races, which is the minimum required for a competitive season. The announcement starts wit two double headers at Austria and Silverstone in the UK. And then course its way through Hungary, Spain, Belgium and Italy, with more to fiollow in due course.

It is visor down from the 5th of July. LET THE SHOW BEGIN!!!

I live in Austria, but I have not heard anything about May 19. Austria has already started to ease some of the restrictions, like opening smaller shops on April 14, with the rest to follow on May 2. Restaurants and hotels will remain closed at least until mid-May, while any events with spectators remain forbidden until the end of August. mobdro apk

Regards,
tubemate apk

What is happening after the first eight races? There are new suggestions that F1 might do a double header in Sochi - Russia, then head to Shanghai, then back toi Europe to tracks like Magello [italy] for Ferrari's 1000 races celebration, then Hockenhiem. Thereafter, heading out to the middle East for the Bahrain and Abu Dhabi grandprixs.

If that happens, that would give us a 15 races season all in closed doors of course. As expected, F1 is avoiding street circuits where crowd control might pose a problem.

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What is happening after the first eight races? There are new suggestions that F1 might do a double header in Sochi - Russia, then head to Shanghai, then back toi Europe to tracks like Magello [italy] for Ferrari's 1000 races celebration, then Hockenhiem. Thereafter, heading out to the middle East for the Bahrain and Abu Dhabi grandprixs.

If that happens, that would give us a 15 races season all in closed doors of course. As expected, F1 is avoiding street circuits where crowd control might pose a problem.

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Where did you read that those races after first 8 are also "closed doors" ?
September, October, November also closed doors, why ???

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Where did you read that those races after first 8 are also "closed doors" ?
September, October, November also closed doors, why ???

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Because the F1 management may only be able to get government approval to race in their countries, based on the concept of the F1 COVID-19 BUBBLE. What the bubble means is that only F1 teams, FIA and F1 management staff [and television crew plus a select number of media journalists] that has been previously tested for COVID -19 and found to be COViD free [uninfected] can enter the Grandprix arena.

Unfortunately, the general public would not be allowed to enter the bubble. Well, l say that for the moment. It may change by the time we get to the end of the first eight races.