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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
And the refrain is the same because I don't change my mind every second day.
Ferrari are surely concentrating on their drivers, no question about that, so I don't get your point on this matter.
wouldn't be difficult though would it? Kimi's not exactly Mr. Enthusiasm. :DQuote:
Well Felipe a bit more enthusiastic about it than Kimi.
An article I found regarding the impact of Schumacher's influence. I think it definately affects Kimi in a negative way, while it's probably a plus for Massa.
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Michael Schumacher’s presence at the Spanish Grand Prix this weekend has focused some unwelcome attention on his successor at Ferrari, Kimi Raikkonen.
The Finn was expected to take over Schumacher’s dominant position in the team. But although he shared the world championship lead heading into Sunday’s race, his position is under some threat from team-mate Felipe Massa - the more so following the Brazilian's victory at the Circuit de Catalunya.
Schumacher’s visit, announced in advance, attracted plenty of attention from the media. No surprise, then, that he was bombarded with questions, and not just about Lewis Hamilton, although I had to get one in.
Many centred on what Michael wanted to do with the rest of his life and while he said he had plenty of ideas he wasn't prepared to expand any further.
He did say, though, that he had no intentions of becoming a team principal and enjoyed waking up each morning now and deciding what he wanted to do, rather than looking at a schedule in front of him.
Once the seven-time champion had finished chatting to the media he went into the garage to say hello to his former mechanics and engineers. I'm told they stopped working on Raikkonen's car and rushed over to welcome Michael back the minute he put his head round the door. Which, if true, might just be another little irritant for the Finn - couldn't they save the catch-ups for a more suitable time?
Michael mentioned in his news conference that he didn't feel he was a distraction this weekend and that he was here to help. On the first comment I would beg to differ. He also said that the team had moved on from last year, and of course they have. So with that in mind, is it wise for Michael to be here this weekend?
Or to put it another way, is it wise - unless the Ferrari management specifically asked - for him to be such a highly visible presence here this weekend? If the team have moved on, why do they need their former top dog at such close quarters.
It's unlikely to bother Massa - he and Michael have a close relationship and Felipe has said how much he has benefited from it in the past. But the last time Raikkonen got close to Michael at a race weekend was when they were wheel to wheel going into turn one at last year’s season-ending Brazilian Grand Prix, before Schumi disappeared off into the sunset.
They're not friends, and Kimi - as the man brought in for a huge salary to replace Michael - doesn't need him around. Certainly not in an advisory capacity.
Kimi was asked by Finnish television whether Michael was here to help him. “Help me? Why?” was the reply.
He's got enough on his plate trying to keep his new team-mate at bay, Massa's performance in qualifying enhanced his growing reputation, the way in which he made up 0.7 seconds from his previous flying lap to take pole was reminiscent of the sort of thing Schumacher used to do. A third successive third place did nothing for Kimi's mood or reputation.
Alonso has said he expects the title battle ultimately to distil down to him and Raikkonen – and he’s not the only one. Although the Finn now has some ground to make up following his retirement in Spain.
But if Massa continues to put Raikkonen in the shade, the issue of who is number one at Ferrari, and who will get the team’s focus for the world championship, will become a pressing one. Massa might just ask whether the team ought to concentrate their efforts on him a little more. After all, isn't that what happened in Michael's day?
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What do you guys make of it? I think if the story of him popping his head into the garage, and they left Kimi's car to greet him is true, his influence, at the moment is a negative thing. If he becomes a permanent fixture, I guess we won't get that all the time.
Don't really see any problems. Sounds like a family problem, kids wants to be the center of the universe and they cry to their parents when not. I understand that a driver wants to create a climate where they can excel, but blaming schumacher for "negative" influence is not very bright. Ofcourse Kimi isn't saying that (blown out of context by media). Can anyone imagine Schumacher never be a guest at Ferrari as long as Kimi drives their!!! Schumacher is no longer driving so the current drivers must have priority but Schumacher achievements puts him above the ferrari food chain, so a little respect (saying hello) when visit them is isn't that crazy.
I don't think anyone would question Schumacher being there as a guest. It's the fact he's an 'advisor' - to what exactly, I'm not sure. He was a driver, so you'd guess it was 'driving', which would be slightly patronising to someone like Kimi. No one seems to be able to say exactly what he advises on do they.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daika
So with that theory then, once you've achieved the top level in your profession, you should ignore advice from anyone else, no matter how much more experience or knowledge they have?Quote:
Originally Posted by raphael123
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If I could print it on toilet paper than it would be of some use, given that it can't be done it will be an useless piece of bad journalism! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by raphael123
Well if it keeps Kimi at wake during the nights, perhaps Schumacher should leave then... If Kimi doesn't want advice then fine, if it impact his driving because he can't focus with Schumacher present then his brain is messed up. I don't see the problem, just concentrate on driving and Kimi wil be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by raphael123
Nope. That's not what I've said.Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlMetro
Have you seen Kimi's comment on taking advice from Schumacher regarding his driving btw?
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Originally Posted by raphael123
Sorry but I thought you were implying that Kimi cannot learn anything from Michael?Quote:
Originally Posted by raphael123
That's what Kimi said isn't it? When he was asked whether Michael would be giving on advice concerning his driver Kimi replied 'No, why would he?'. I've just been on the ITV website, but the article isn't on the main page. I read the quote on a few different sources though, I'm sure you must have come across it a couple of times yourself if you read the F1 sites during a race weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlMetro
Here's a hint at what MS was advising in Barcelona:
<<'On Friday evening in Spain the lights burned late in the Ferrari team garage as engineers worked to put their finger on a cure for the F2007's abiding understeer on slow corners. Schumacher stayed late with his long-time colleagues from Maranello, offering the benefit of his huge technical databank, gathered from 91 grand prix wins.Raikkonen left earlier, going back to his hotel after the initial technical debrief.>>
http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,1895...125458,00.html
Schumi seems put on extra pounds..ooppsss it seems he is tucking on crisps & beer while watching nailbiting quali's and grandprix's ..lol
Well Kimi is Kimi with what he says. I can understand why he didn't want to take advice from him as Schumi was one of Kimi's rivals last years and Schumi beat him. So he may be sour over that.
Good to see Schmi trying to help though, obiously it's helping Massa more than Kimi.
I'm not sure how much he would have been able to help concerning the cure for understeer, in a car he has never driven, in the new breed of bridgestone tyres he has never experienced, and without having driven an F1 car with this years specs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I'm a bit baffled to exactly how he could have helped in this respect anyway. I'm sure he made some positive contributions, but not that, or at least not as much as Kimi and Massa could do.
The fact Ferrari's technical director Mario Almondo said this weekend, when asked about what Michael's contribution was he said 'He is consistently able to give us a very interesting point of view that is very very useful most of the time, of course, we can't go into detail but we are happy about that."
I don't think he could have been any more vague on what exactly Michael is doing
raphael123
Now granted, I don't race cars I write computer applications, but there are times when a collegue has been struggling with an issue and I've been able to offer suggestions. I've never worked on his project but I've had similar issues on projects myself in the past. I've even said things like "hey, remember that memory leak we had on that finance prediction project we worked on a few years ago and the problem was blah blah blah" and sometimes even though that might not be the answer, it triggers something else as a potential cause to be investigated.
Do you think it's possible that maybe Schumi has driven an understeering car before and managed to dial out the problem and might possibly say something like "hey, remember when the F2002 was understeering and we fixed it by...."
As I posted above, Kimi and Massa are different people with very different personalities. I just wonder who here really knows how Kimi feels about SchM being there, and knows enough about his presence in the Ferrari garage to start commenting on what the reactions of the different personnel there.
If I were Kimi, I would not let Michael into the garage again.
Some one saw him mess up with the electronics of Kimi's car! :vader:
bad boy Michael!
:s mokin:
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Originally Posted by race aficionado
link Please!!!!!
(sorry Valve) :D
:dozey:
Race - you are getting really desperate when you talk to yourself here - :D
How can you possibly ask yourself to post a link? I nearly fell for it, but double checked to see who you were talking to :p :
Hey Race, it's ok talking to yourself but when you start arguing with yourself you have problems and will get a little visit from the men in white coats :laugh:
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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
guilty as charged!Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlMetro
but I had myself a good laugh with myself though.
thanks for indulging me. :)
:s mokin:
I would think MS knows a thing or two about setting up a car. Perhaps he is there to compensate for Kimi's weakness in this area? Then again, maybe he is using his trained eyes and experience to notice what the other teams are doing? Or, maybe he just likes hanging out with the gang on Sundays? Maybe he still owes the mechanics a year's supply of pizza?
We can speculate as much as we like, but only MS and perhaps Todt know why he is there.
I think that any team or driver that can afford to dismiss out of hand the experience of schumacher is a team with their head in the sand. he obviously has a wealth of information that any team would benefit from and ferrari obviously wont reveal what he's doing for them. why would they?
come on guys, i know a lot of you think schumacher is the anti-christ for some of his past mistakes but who here wouldnt want that experience on their fave team? I would.
Ioan posted a link a week or so back, when the technical director (was it him?) had nothing but absolute praise about Kimi's technical feedback.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
Where do you get the opinion Kimi's is weak at setting up a car?
He might be good, but compared to MS' experience he might be weak! :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by raphael123
I think that for specific setup, i would rather go with kimis feedback. hes done thousands of miles in that car and as for setting it up for the optimum way he needs to drive, then hes not only the best person but the only person that can do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
where schumacher would be of huge benefit is general advice, how to get the maximum out of the lap, where to maximise the car and squeeze a couple of thou. that sort of thing. particulaly for massa, that experience would be invaluable and im sure he benefitted from having his old mentor at hand whereas kimi wouldnt. i dout kimi would be flustered by schumacher being there, why should he. its just kimi is in his own zone and focused on his game.
Honestly I couldn't care less about how much Kimi needs or not MS. What I am happy with is that MS can and does help his team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flat.tyres
Ferrari always comes before the drivers.
That's what the discussion is about :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Flat.Tyres, nice to see someone who knows what they are talking about. Your analysis of the situation in your last post is spot on :up:
I also explained why I think that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by raphael123
I thought Kimi had said he still hadn't got the hang of setting the car up for optimal results in qualifying. Did I dream that?
No you didn't and if it's true than it makes his comments about accepting help from MS even more stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by TMorel
I thought you couldnt care less about how much kimi needs schumachers help :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Lets look at the facts. kimi is quite a lazy driver when it comes to setting cars up. whats the reason for that?
Well, we all know he had about 20 car races before entering the sauber team so does not have a massive amount of experience in how to set up a car to get the best out of it. hes blindingly quick in a stock car and possibly the quickest but needs a team around him that can almost interperet what he needs without him knowing it although he is still the best person out there to provide feedback to help them.
having schumacher around should benefit him but f1 drivers are rather susceptable to there egos. if kimi and schumacher sat down and worked through strategy, settings, lines etc as massa does, then i cant see anyone stopping kimi this year. if you want my opinion, thats the real reason schumacher is there. to help kimi get the best out of the car and the race whether he knows it or not.
I will stress that i have no evidence or knowledge of this. just a gut feeling.