But this was only done to allow prizes to go to the highest non- M-Sport competitors.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
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But this was only done to allow prizes to go to the highest non- M-Sport competitors.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
One wonders how many license holders decide to either give it up altogether, or decide to switch to circuit racing. With very few forest events likely to take place, the circuit championship could be oversubscribed. Where do you get your rallying fix?
You couldn't blame people for doing so; having a car sitting in the garage, with nowhere to go, all the while there is still plenty of circuit racing taking place.
If only it was that simple. First you need to pass an ARDS approved course to qualify for a race licence. They aren't cheap and finding one while covid restrictions are in place will be a challenge. Then when you've got your race licence you'll find that your rally car isn't the best thing to have. The class structure in racing is completely different from rallying and if you do find a race that your car is elligible for it'll probably be overweight and underpowered compared with the cars it's running against. Swapping to racing will be more like a complete career change than just nipping out to do a race or two. Bored rally drivers will find doing track days a lot easier than taking up racing.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
That is actually what I was thinking of. As you say it's quite a bit of hassle getting a race license, and a suitable car.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
Closed road racing has come in last year though hasnt it, with Bae Cerredigion & also Clacton. More of these type of events may be the future.
Re Return to Rally - I have to admit it was more like an M-Sport promo than a demo of how rallies are to be run in future.
Great publicity for them and maybe hoping a few cars had problems and needed to buy some parts ! ;)
I think you mean closed road rallying. Bae Ceredigion and Corbeau Seats Rally Tendring & Clacton are rallies, not races. I'm not aware that any races on closed public roads have taken place in UK since the last Birmingham Superprix, though there have been a couple of speed events under the new legislation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Regarding the MSport event, part of the thinking behind it was to trial the Motorsport UK initiatives in paperless timing and documentation in a real rally environment. It seems only fair that the offer of the venue and event support from MSport to enable the trial to take place should be rewarded by the subsquent publicity.
Yeah, dont know why I said racing, maybe it still seemed strange to call it that after being only on private roads before.
Anyway, if the forests dont want rallying any more at least there's a chance for more events on tarmac.
Tarmac events on closed public roads might prove difficult until limits on public gatherings are relaxed, as keeping crowds to the size limits may be impossible. Tarmac events in secure locations, racing circuits, MOD land &c, may well be all we have until next year at the earliest.
They seem to manage ok in Europe like in Italy recently.
Are there any Rally Championships still running in the UK ?
I imagine the Motorsport News Circuit Championship will run over the Winter as booked, unless the Covid situation deteriorates greatly. In which case it won't be the only sport to have to stop again. Starts in November, I imagine it'll be even more popular than normal!
I hear Malcolm was gutted - the damage was much worse than the photos show.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
On the AR podcast, single-venue gravel events with the likes of Greystoke, Walters Arena & Sweet Lamb were mooted as a possiblity for a championship.
To be honest, I've always wondered why there wasn't a 'Rally Sprint/Time Trial' series using those venues. Walters has loads of roads in there, you could possibly run a 2 day event in there, using different layouts.
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
That'd be great, make the most of the situation.
Who owns Llandegla nowadays? It'd be nice to see a single venue return there. Going by the website it looks like it could be owned by a 'Oneplanet Adventure' now, rather than Tilhill, or are they just tenants?
M-Sport eye further evrnts...
https://dirtfish.com/rally/m-sport-e...return-success
Return to Rally video:
https://youtu.be/J0ZUpIHsxtE
The Welsh view:
https://www.dai-sport.com/wales-rall...risis-economy/
Have just read that article; lots of good points, and highlights the complete shambles that the guidelines are. Go shopping, go to a pub/restaurant - all indoors = okay. But can't allow groups of people outside in the open air to take part in some sports, or to spectate.
A 4X4 event is allowed, because it's classed as 'Elite'. Who decides these things?
The power of having an organised promoter, compared to the rudderless, Captainless ship that is rallying?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Well that is one way of putting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
I thought rallying brought all kinds of financial benefits to Wales, or so it is claimed. But not enough that the sport has any influence/bargaining power.
This was commented on Twitter by a few people, who were 'shot down' for raising it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd
This could be an issue with fans becoming 'marshals' just so they can get close to action with spectators banned...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd
The only time I've seen a 0 car stop on stage was in Dyfnant on Rally GB a few years ago. Very tight hairpin on a narrow section at the end of a section where they've been flat for 550m. Three marshals stand on the outside of the hairpin, slightly off to the side, while all us speccies had put ourselves up an adjacent embankment. We could hear the 0 car nav shouting at them to move! :D They'd already been told to move by either the 00 or 000 (can't remember which)...
I've got a lot of time for marshals, always polite to them and try to chat, but we're all just enthusiasts there to watch a rally at the end of the day.
Iain Campbell interview on Dirtfish pod:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/37I...TPapHfIjt11fbw
Listened to this now. I've got a lot of respect for Iain as a rally organiser, but I feel he really rather swerved talking about the issues of the BRC in particular, now and in the future. Understandable given his position maybe, but I'd hoped he might be a bit more frank. We all know that this country's never ending love affair with the Escort is not healthy for the future of the sport here, but the BRC has its own issues. I appreciate though that he can't really bite the hand that feeds him or the constituent parts of his Championship that are organised for him. It's a small community. It's funny though listening to him correctly highlight the importance of a pinnacle level, bigging up the WRC in this role, while not mentioning the BRC at all...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
The Escort and 45 mile one day BTRDA events are seemingly what most British competitors want. Affordable events, good value for money and all done and dusted in one day. Fine, that is what the people want. No point in a series if not enough people are interested in it. Modern homologated cars and longer more expensive events just aren't wanted by UK rallying.
I remember, not that long ago we had BTRDA, ANCRO/Mintex and BRC. All offered something different; now only the BTRDA is what you'd say is in a 'healthy' state. ANCRO has gone, and the BRC seems to stumble along year to year. It gets a refresh every so often, but with the same result.
I really have no idea how you change the rallying culture in the UK.
I agree with Sal the 2nd, problem of rallysport in UK is more complex. Especially BRC needs reborn, but to be done in a proper way. Not like they were trying in last years. They had big eyes, but forgot to make proper basic things to be successful...
The aforementioned Rallye Monte Blanc-Morzine:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd
https://data.pksoft.fr/pksoft/RA_Mon...gag%C3%A9s.pdf
https://data.pksoft.fr/pksoft/RA_Mon...gag%C3%A9s.pdf
and there are three other classes/events. What a fabulous entry.
Petition:
Relax the excessive restrictions to allow motor sport rallies to take place in Wales.
https://petitions.senedd.wales/petitions/244155
Historic event at Weston Park to allow spectators... :)
https://www.autosport.com/historics/...elcome-uk-fans
The FC want your views:
https://www.forestryengland.uk/news/...ations-forests
Two-page email sent in support. Hope others do the same or traditional UK rallying could be finished.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd
Some good need at last...
https://www.motorsportuk.org/motorsp...es-until-2023/
Indeed. I held off buying tickets as that seemed inevitable, though I was surprised when they did the media day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd
News on Osian Pryce on the Goodwood rally event starting today.
https://m.facebook.com/1357980964632...1234399252930/
https://www.countytimes.co.uk/resour...onsive-gallery
Some BRC guys in action at Goodwood...
https://twitter.com/BRCrally/status/...284468226?s=20
Rhys Yates has won every stage so far and been really on it...
https://i.imgur.com/HQBlNuB.jpg
Anyone heading to Oulton Park/Neil Howard Stages next month?
I'm hoping that slips through the net and is deemed a small enough event to run with spectators. Not been to anything since the Monte!