Yeah and ERC is ERCQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
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Yeah and ERC is ERCQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
what this had to do with that i quoted? Nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
That he is all-or-nothing kinda like driver? how many times has he done proper ERC season (which has not been the most competitive series) campaign and he has almost always been a favorite to win, but the madman driving has been costly for him, also in ERC. And before his R5/ERC days he was even more unpredictable, while being blindingly fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
i dont agree.We cant put Luky and Novikov on the same league,when Luky has achieved championships,while being always fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
Where do you draw the line? I think Luky has proven to be one of these crazy russian all-or-nothing drivers with all his event crashes, but also the idiotic test crash that denied his best chance to show his speed on WRC level back in Finland 2015/16?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Novikov (just as Luky) was reckless, didn't win championships but managed to show speed against the WRC drivers while Luky only did that against people in ERC
exactly the one won,and the other won nothing.Thats where i put the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
Thats why they dont deserve to be at the same sentence.
gryazin is just another spoiled kid with a rich daddy. he does on average 20 rally's a year and he still can't keep up with the best drivers.
you can't compare that to luky, who is genuinely talented but lacked the resources when he was young.
Gryazin is still young, and Novikov was young when he was in WRC. Luky turned 40 this year and was like 35 when he started going to events outside Russia and Baltics. Quite different situations.
If we had championship now with Novikov on his prime vs Kajto/Ingram I would always put money on the russian. "but he has a championship title" well neither does Neuville.
What he won should also be considered. not all crowns are the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
If Novikov had aimed lower, would he have won a championship?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I'm always surprised how bad a reputation Novikov has. Maybe he had the wrong mindset/hearing (!) for rallying and was never going settle down, but looking at his results in 2012, his first full season, and those of Tanak, maybe Novikov gave up (or was given up on) too soon?
Novikov went up against the likes of Tanak and Neuville in the same car, on his day he beat them. Though most days admittedly, he crashed. But I do think there's a question mark over what could have been with him.
PS, this isn't a knock against Luky, I'm a big fan. He's done what he could fund and, credit to him, hasn't given up.
At that time Novikov had way more experience than Neuville and Tänak. Way way more. I have seen him at 16 driving Gr. N Impreza, destroying all estonian up and coming youngsters. Tänak was driving VW Golf or Renault Clio at that time... It's not even comparable the amount of experience Novikov had by that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
Needless to say he lost his almost secured title to Rainer Aus by crashing heavily at the later part of Saaremaa Rally.
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According to Stephane Prevot, Novikov was a natural talent but didn't listen enough to pace notes
Absolutely fully agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
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I always felt like his pacenotes were rather useless (at least I wouldn't be able to drive according to them). Just check yourself if you could drive according to this where 90% of corners are marked as "one": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYPLVjz9LNk
Not listening to or having bad pace notes is also a part of having experience. Which obviously Novikov didn´t have.
I guess generally he was too much unmature. He should have stayed in N-category a couple of years more.
Prevot worded it perfectly in his book. If the RAC would run blind without notes, on the snow and on ice, Novikov and Duval would beat the opposition by minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
"To finish first you first need to finish"Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
However taking those words for a true, one could state several finnish and swedish ancient drivers should beat Novikov and Duval by minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton