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Originally Posted by pantealex
https://www.ewrc-results.com/owner/1...rg-rally-team/
Petter have usually bought cars that have special memories connected for him, to put in his museum.
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Looks like they have 2Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
https://www.ewrc-results.com/owner/1...rg-rally-team/
Petter have usually bought cars that have special memories connected for him, to put in his museum.
Very little point for him to learn the current WRC when the new one from 2022 is significantly different both with drivetrain but also with no active center diff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
What would make sense is to drive R5 and take part in development tests of the new car.
The plan was to do R5 for 3 years earlier this year anyway
Petter's Polo from Wales is going in the museum i saw
Oliver took his 1st WRC level Rally2/RC2/WRC3 win and people are ready to give him WRC drive... :)
Same people say Kalle was not ready for WRC and Kalle had multiple RC2 wins.
Oliver is a good driver. He has experience with 600 hp supercars in rallycross, I dont think Kalle had that, but he had at least one full season in WRC2.
Oliver might fix Rally1 power, and be competitive next week, but imo he need more Rally2 experience. He should drive and learn as many rounds as he can, to get own notes, and learn the courses.
But if he is not ready and does not match the best, he might ruin a bright future.
One option is to connect the Solberg Klan to Ford, as a test driver, and compete in Rally2.
But again, they do not currently have competitive cars in either of the top two classes, so could be a double-edged sword.
He is also under Skoda contract until new info on that comes.
My guess is that he will continue as planned with the two VAG cars.
There always two sides of the coin.
However, if not teambosses already contacted him, I would be very surprised. That is the key. To negotiate at this point even if it means RC1 drive first time in 2022.
So we can start to build prognosis which one will be better on WRC level when both of them will be in more or less equal situation (in terms of mileage, experience and cars) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Ok, ok.. it's quiet too early for it, but it's quite favorite topic in my rally company - among peoples who have seen Oliver and Kalle grow up on Latvian roads. Opinions differ :) :)
Rovanpera has proved he was ready, no problem for him. Personally I think Oliver could step up to the top class and do well even next year, but another year (a full one) in a second tier car certainly won’t do him any harm, as much to learn the rallies as anything else.
I think the Covid situation has made the strategy for Oliver much clearer. Having missed so many of the rallies this year, next year will hopefully allow him to do the rallies he's missed, another learning year. If we'd had a full season this year and he'd had such consistently strong results across even more rallies, I'd be arguing more strongly that he should step up to RC1. But at the end of the day, he's never even done the likes of Rally Portugal or Finland, on the latter he was just a spectator last year stood next to me on the Urria stage! :D
With the reduced calendar in 2021, even before any possible cancellations, I'd be really surprised though if he isn't aiming to do some serious test millage in a WRCar or 2022 Rally1. You've got to imagine there'll be plenty of opportunities as the team will be wanting to put millage on the new cars. It's not long before these conversations will start, surely.
Another way the Covid situation may have worked in Oliver's favour is that it has somewhat limited the lead in experience Rovanpera is getting over him. I think this is the rivalry a lot of us are looking forward to. When I watched Urria 1 next to the Solberg's, I said to Olive after Kalle went past, 'Your main rival in the future?', he replied, 'Maybe!'. I wanted to reply, 'Definitely, and I can't wait!', but I think the bizarreness of me having this conversation with him dawned on me at this moment so I just smiled and played it cool(ish)... :D
Problem is who will go if a "Team" give him a seat?
Evans back to Ford...? Or Lappi/SuninenQuote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
It's already rumored Loeb and Sordo will quit Hyundai after this year. And Ogier should quit after next year. Suninen and Lappi will run out of money at some point? It's another game of musical chairs. And a different question of which teams are still in when we go to 2022.
And, which new teams will join?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Hard times these days for manufacturers, Petter Solberg has something ready, atleast had before covid.
M-sport will be around, but if Ford don't want to support them anymore, it's probably the "cheapest" way to get a good car for a new team?
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Current situation is that only really bright ones like Rovanpera or Solberg will get their WRC rides, for "regular" people like Ostberg or Tidemand there are no chances. Rally2 is best they can hope for. I cant see any way back for Latvala, Paddon or Meeke either. I would love them to join Rall2 though, this would make this class much more competitive, perhaps earn some airtime in WRC+ too and generate enough money from sponsors that guys driving there can even get small salary...
Bright and rich. Just bright is not enough. Let's not forget that they would probably not go anywhere (at this age at least) without their fathers' money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indreq
At this point of their career, they don´t need to be rich. They´ll get wheels anyway...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
I would say Timo Jouhki has invested more in Kalle's career than Harri. But he has been a factory driver since 2018 anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Both have outstanding ability and would've been spotted even at a low level of the sport with their speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
I agree. Sure money helps. But these guys seem quick enough that they would have made it anyway. Maybe not at 18 but at 22-23 but they would have succeeded. What came first - Tänak showing talent or supporters coming behind him? Tänaks family had no money for anything more than VW Golf 2. But he was fast enough with that to convince some people with deep pockets to invest in him. I am sure other guys with similar talent can do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Money absolutely is a deciding factor for anyone getting into rallying. It's a very expensive sport, even at a lower level. It is not like football where all you need is a ball. You need a car that can be used for rallying, parts, license, entry fees, maintenance for car and so on. You won't be able to do this without significant economical help from parents or others. Had Kalle's parents been less fortunate, and he himself had been a poor student or whatever, there is no chance that he would get to his point, and if so, then definitely not this early. Then there is of course also the fact that Harri is a well known rally driver, who has a lot of contacts. When word gets out that the son of a famous driver is starting driving, then of course there will be light put on him too. There is a reason why there are so many rally families.
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In the case of Kalle and Oliver, how much were they actually funded by their own families, beyond the very early years? I'd have thought they'd have both been able to attract enough sponsorship once they got up to the R2 level on the basis of their names, family connections, career stories and talent. They certainly both had a lot of decent sponsors on their cars coming up. The waters may be a little muddied in the case of Petter as he may be investing money in his own operation in order to prepare to become a manufacturer team in future...Quote:
Originally Posted by Katvala
And the case of Neuville? He was not rich nor wealthy when he started.
Where do you see Oliver driving in 2021?
ERC1 driving for the top title
WRC2 for a Manufacturer
WRC2 in privat team
Or will he do a Kalle going in the fastlane into WRC1?
If he will be picked up by a manufacturer, which one will pick him up?
Isn’t Oliver under some long term contract with Skoda? I’d expect to see him in WRC2 or 3 in a ‘Skoda Motorsport Customer Racing’ Fabia next year, maybe with some ERC events too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
And Kalle did spend two years in a Fabia R5 before being picked up Toyota so not that fast-tracked..
There's a question if Škoda will do anything substantial next year before they come with the new Fabia.
R5 next season then we could potentially see him in the 3rd Toyota seat for 2022. Or being given some sort of partial campaign in a top line car
Why Skoda. He drove Petter's old Wolksvagen in this race, didn't he?
Because he was a contractor driver for Škoda this year (but that applied only for WRC3).Quote:
Originally Posted by olemann
Oliver made his WRC event entry in last year's Wales, and Kalle did the same two years earlier, so we could say Oliver is coming two years behind Kalle. So if Oliver gets to a WRC car next year, he's fastlaned. I think we've already discussed that it wouldn't make sense for him to learn the WRC 2017 cars for one year and then learn the new 2022 cars again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
I believe Oliver will do a big WRC2/3 season next year, but the team is a good question...is he already committing to a team he will drive with in 2022?
Question is what Skoda will do. The car might start to lag a bit if Hyundai introduces a new one an Skoda scales down support to only parts and repair. Even worse if he would have to pay everything himself.
But on almost all gravel rallies in WRC2/3 small car differences don't matter much as long as the car is not hard to drive or unreliable.
My bet is all -1 WRC events with VAG RC2 car.
Yeah, basically same as this season. Good guess. But I would say no more ERC.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Bit OT but when can we expect that car? Have new mild hybrid Rally2 rules put a bit of a spanner in the works as they don’t kick in until 2023 but new Fabia comes out 2021..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
If Solberg continues in a Fabia next year I would imagine it would be a similar set up to this year, because as you hint at they aren’t going to be wanting/needing to promote the old car anymore in 2021.
Dosn't he won a couple of erc rounds for being junior champ?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
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Originally Posted by mknight
I believe we will see the new R5 already next year but time will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Agreed.
According to this article Solberg won €100,000 for two European championship rallies in 2021:Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
https://www.fiaerc.com/munster-fight...go-to-solberg/
What does that even mean?
What is the best way for Oliver, planning for 2022, and learing all rally on the world champ calender?
# Do R5 in euro and world series?
# Try to get into a WRC car, to get used to the speed, since R5 speed he masters by now?
Mastering a car is one thing, mastering the events another story.