same here, never took his posts seriously....i always had fun when someone took them seriously and even replied to him :DQuote:
Originally Posted by AL14
but people are different, for some his behaviour was acceptable, for some dont.
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same here, never took his posts seriously....i always had fun when someone took them seriously and even replied to him :DQuote:
Originally Posted by AL14
but people are different, for some his behaviour was acceptable, for some dont.
Personal insults and retarded attacks (mainly against Brits) have nothing to do with freedom of speech. That's only about the very basic politeness and respect to other people. We often disagree with each other but we do that in a civilized manner not calling each other retarded autistic Swedes or Czechs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I respect Your opinion though. I just don't understand what is being missed here.
well, he won't miss this place for sure
I had contact with NOT on social media. He says "his ban is permanent and an outcome from political corectness". On top of that he didn´t get any reason. However he "respects the decision and will not come back"...
Well, whatever you think, to me it´s pity not every voice can be heard.
As I noticed some of you guys are reffering to NOT in many topics, so he wasn´t that wrong. He had his ways of explaing things he thought was wrong.
To me, banning people from a forum, not politic or religious, is wrong way to go.
I´ll close this thread in a few days. "Looking for NOT" is solved.
What's his twitter handle... might be worth a laughQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
It’s quite telling enough that he doesn’t even understand why he’s banned.
Disagree. No matter, those who ban, should tell even if it´s obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
But, I know. Not even this forum is a perfect world.
Clearly people miss him. No reason for a ban. Was fun and you must be a complete, utter retard to take anything he said seriously.
Oh I found him funny at times, and I used to bite for my own amusement as well now and again when he started Brit bashing, but I did also agree with him on occasions, even the shortcomings of my nationality he once or twice hit the nail on the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by krissucool
Can't keep throwing around abusive comments about autism on a public forum though, so not surprised he got banned in the end.
Norm, you’ve nailed it. It was more than likely the autism remarks that got him banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
Daft really, because he seemed quite intelligent, can’t understand why he didn’t see it coming.
Per, can you share his social media contacts. Love to follow him just for my bemusement
Say what you want about N.O.T, but he was one of the most active users of this Forum ever. He was there when I joined it in 2001 (N.O.T joined in 2000) and was visiting this forum for nearly 20 years. And he was an active user, not just someone who is lurking in the shadows without saying anything. Believe it or not, but he had more posts than any of you in this thread - exactly 20,523 posts. And he apparently wasn't that bad - he was liked 2,719 Times in 1,255 posts :)
Without him this forum wouldn't be the same ;)
Yeah, I also don't get it...I don't remember NOT saying anything of value ever. He's just a twat who spams the same rude and mostly xenophobic nonsense over and over. If he was behaving this way in any kind of social setting, he would have been told to f**k off long time ago, I am not sure why it's such a surprise the owners of this server don't want him to hang around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I remember his posts about his pre-event recce for Acropolis, last time it was in WRC. Those had a lot of value, especially to people going there! N.O.T used to be a contributing member to the forum, of course always with a sharp opinion. I often liked his clever comebacks on stupid posts. Pitty that, lately, he only concentrated on "bashing" few people, with or without good reason. You can laugh with it once or a few times, but after a while it became annoying and interrupting for most people here. So I completely understand he has been banned, everyone saw that coming. What I don't understand on this forum, is the lack of transparency or policy about banning members.
me tooQuote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
NOT is watching over us...
Took words out of my mouth. Completely agree!Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Some of his last posts:
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Originally Posted by N.O.T
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Originally Posted by N.O.T
People are really missing THIS ?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Aghhh.. the memories...
#findNOT
#bringbackNOT
If you are missing NOT so much, just use some random sentence generator using words like "sick", "dog", "autistic", "retarded" in combination with random nationalities and random forums users. Run this generator every 5 minutes and it will create about as much useful content as NOT ever did.
Rumour has it he was abducted by aliens to see just what made him tick
Ok. I´ll put you on the list of negatives that didn´t like NOT. However reading everything as black and white make you miss the lines between. They are many, from all of us forumers, now and then. Pity for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by USER47
Rallyper, I haven’t seen you criticise NOT for his mocking of autism, or even acknowledge that it’s unacceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Are you condoning it?
All humans are equal, though there are different ways of solving problems. As I´m not perfect myself I´d never condemn anyone and certainly not after being requested to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
My thoughts of this matter is that (this) forums had a non-transparent level or godlike humans deciding what to do and say, without any transparancy. I don´t like it either, just like other forumers said.
NOT will not be missed by this forum member. His negative contributions added nothing constructive to the feedback. His constant putdowns of drivers when they had one or two bad results were just unnecessary dull-witted comments. Mocking teams before they even started to compete showed a real lack of understanding of the sport. An example being Toyota and TMR, his total put-down of them as village idiots before they even turned a wheel in competition simply made him look like an ignoramus.
I believe NOT is the ‘sick dog’ and being forced off this forum will hopefully benefit him. His mental health will hopefully improve now he’s not trapped in front of his computer waging his personal ‘tall-poppy syndrome’ war.
My personal advice to him (and we know you will be reading this NOT) is to buy a surfboard or a mountain bike and see what life is like beyond a computer screen. Good luck.
Saying
in post that is defending NOT sounds funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
One could try to chose it, by putting users on "ignore" lists. That works until someone quotes that user and it shows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Also, on a forum you have to follow the forum rules. And I quote:
You can say what you want, but there were posts made that fell in to this.Quote:
By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.
Lost in translation maybe, but T16 wasn't asking you to condemn NOT, he was asking if you condone the use of NOT's habit of calling people autistic. Autism being an illness, a condition, rather than just calling people out for being a bit thick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Edit: and reading the post above with your first quote in it, political correctness has nothing to do with politics per say. It means, as I've stated above, calling someone that maybe is lacking in intelligence, or common sense, that they are autistic, is not politically correct.
Ok. Yes. Lost a bit. Still it means it was asked what my opinion was, right? And my answer is I never liked people being silenced ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
(or use synonym for condone if I missed translation again...)
I don't think the powers that be have a problem with freedom of speech, I think they gave NOT a long enough rope before it was finally decided to ban him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
But there is freedom of speech and there is overstepping the mark. What next? Would he call people he thought a bit a bit slow as having a brain tumor, and would that be ok with you?
He never called me autistic directly, if he did then I may well have said no, mild Asperger's actually. Did I get offended by him calling people autistic, no. I have a very thick skin but many people haven't.
I actually find using a group of people to mock other people more offending to that group than to those who were mocked.
I'd say a member that has generated almost 75 posts about his absence is someone that desearves respect. I acknowledge he was a bit "pushy" sometimes, but he seemed to be a member with wealth of knowledge in WRC in general. I miss him (and I am one of those that mostly reads rather than writes in this forum...)
#bringbacknot
I strongly disagree with your assumption that he had "wealth of knowledge in WRC in general" or for that matter any level of rally....I have read his crap since around 2003 or 04... As far as I could see he NEVER said anything about technical aspects of the cars, the culture of the sport, team interactions..anything except endless, continual endless stream of contempt at drivers, co-drivers, team management, spectators, whole nations, members opinions and members as people...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jajá
He intensely avoided answering questions about how he had gained such extensive knowledge to make such contemptuous condemnations, if he had ever competed in any motorport, or assisted in motorsport in any capacity, or even attended any motorsport of any sort ever
His silence on that was the answer.
In over 15 years there was no sign of growth or maturity..Thousands and thousands of posts 99.7% pure hate for everything and everybody...One member sent me a photo of him 10 years ago... It showed a very angry men. Small and with slight build glaring at the camera... A sad human being. A cliché.
He was banned for a number or years once before and for the same insulting behavior here..Full disclosure means I have to say I was also banned for some years following 'chit chat" discussions with a couple of American neo-con war-mongers and racists during the Bush war "discussions". They evidently complained to the very immoderate modertors better than I could. Solution was to avoid commenting at all in chit chat and be far more cautious here...
But NOT's one and only mode of expression of anything here was arrogance and contempt. Never a comment resembling a fan in any general sense..never sarcasm, parody, irony, wry observation, just hate.
Sorry but that is not "a wealth of knowledge".
I strongly would say, even though the expressions was very harsh sometimes, those who read them literally, missed the between lines that was hidden in his quotes.
However Wednesday evening CET, I´ll close this thread with some more comments of my own. After that we´ll end this story or whatever it´s called.
So make your voice heard in the "NOT thread" before it´s too late..
Where did the freedom of speech go?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Well, freedom of speach, is still here in that sence. You are free to start a thread of NOT yourself. I´ll close this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Googol
And NOT can post his idiotism elsewhere. So what was your problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper