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Originally Posted by VodkaKick3
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Originally Posted by VodkaKick3
So you think P. Solberg is not good enough, Grönholm is loosing speed because is getting old and watching Loeb is boring.
Why don't you leave your computer screens, go to the forests and stop writing nonsense.
Stay at a fast and tricky portion of a stage (forget hairpins and crossings), doesn't matter if it is snow, gravel or tarmac. You will see there is nothing between them in speed and balls and that the rest are far away.
Difference on the time sheets comes from the car in the straights and uphill sections.
The crash or incident happiness of both petter and chris relates largely to how difficult the impreza has become to drive.
look at the in-car and the drivers are constantly fighting the front end (last year), and this year they constantly fight the back end under brakes and have no confidence under braking.
they both say it is inconsistent as well.
putting quick stage times in the impreza, even according to the team management, comes at a far higher risk than in any other car out there.
this means that, when they are quick, they will go off fairly regularly. when they don't go off, they are slow.
tough spot to be in.
Downhill corners are in my opinion best way to see differences in drivers, brakingpoints and how much program they have to get out from the corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Priorat
Sure the Impreza is a poor car right now, but when I think of great drivers in poor cars I keep thinking of Schumacher during his 1st season or 2 at Ferrari, the car was usually a bit of the pace and reliability was terrible, yet he drove the wheels of it every race and didnt make many mistakes, ok different sport but I do think Petter has put the car off too often, no one can dispute his speed, and I'm glad he is still in WRC, it would be poorer without him, but a real 'great' driver IMO would keep it on the road better
I dont think petter has done nothing wrong, he is number 1 driver in the team and his job is to win rallyes, nowdays he has to overdrive quite much to keep in pace and often goes off i think because of that, anyway its better to try to win than to settle for 4-6.
To compaire whos is fastest or best driver is difficult if they dont sit in the same car, if they happen to sit its very easy.
You got completely right!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mickey T
I continually rate Petter quite highly and it's quite evident that the last seasons' problem has been the car.
He's top class and so is Phil Mills. A competitive Petter next year is ESSENTIAL for the WRC. The smile on his face when he's winning makes rallying worth watching.
Constant car problems are causing problems with Peter's consistency and speed. And that's not only seen in rallying. You can't get good at something if you don't practice without interruptions. To bad he has to deal with all that.
But on the brights site, it's a good experience how do deal with problems during rallies. It may serve him well in the future and prevent many DNFs.
Think he is currently overdriving the car as can be seen here:
http://www.rallylinkserver.com/betti...mageFull14.htm
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Originally Posted by sal
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Pure class....Quote:
Originally Posted by sal
To be honest I really think Solberg has lost the edge and the fire in his belly.Take his WRC championship season back in 2003,fair enough Loeb was younger and less experienced than now but not by much and Solberg literally destroyed him during the weekend of the network Q.And as for him being alongside Marcus these days I'm afraid Solberg is a million miles behind,yes granted Gronholm makes loads of mistakes but he always has done,he's like Colin Mcrae as such in that he really doesn't know his or the cars limits and its not a 'past it' and out of date phase he has become,he has always been that way and like Colin also,when those over the top risks he takes pull off there is absolutely no stopping him,even Loeb.Quote:
Originally Posted by raphael123
In his Ford time Grönholm has not done more mistakes than Loeb in the same period.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaytee10375
Yes, actually this year Marcus made even less costly mistakes than Loeb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finni
I think you forgot one thing: In 2003 Citroen's goal was the manufacturers championship, and with the 2nd place that goal was achieved. Guy Frequelin didn't authorized Loeb to fight for the 1st place on the rally and the orders were to secure the 2n and the manu title.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaytee10375
In 2003 Solberg had the lucky of having a man that didn't fight with him on the last rally.
Definitely agree with you there JAM :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
In 2003 Petter was really lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
* Loeb running out of gas in Turkey
* His lucky choice of rain tyres in France
* Sainz crashing out in GB
* Burns got a brain tumour
* And finally Loeb got banned from driving for the title.
It pretty much looks like he did got all his luck in one year, and that pretty much explains his lack of luck in the recent years... :-)
Lets not say that Burns getting a tumour was lucky for Petter. I'm sure Petter would rather have Burns alive than have that title....
I agree. It would be better to say that his 2003 season was full of coincidences that played in his favour of Petter winning the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
And the win at Tour de Corse was one of the keys for the title. He crashed his car on Thursday and was lucky to even to make it to the start. And without rain he would have been lucky to score points, but it rained almost during all the rally. And even at the Catalunya Rally he was out of the points, but it started to rain on the last day...
His title in 2003 looks about as lucky as Mäkinen's title in 1998. :p :
well after grece I thin now Subaru is starting to get some juice out of the impreza, looking at the splits, Petter was really fighting Loeb for that second place during day 2, if it wasnt for the damper thing or whatever it was, I think he coul have finished 2nd. But again at least he finished 3rd instead of crashing
You become champion with your car uh?Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
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Originally Posted by jens
What was so lucky in Mäkinen's title 1998? In the end of the season he had most points :)
I hope you haven't forgotten, what happened 300 metres before the finish. ;) If there is a situation in motorsports than can be described with the words "luck" or "unluck", then that exactly was...Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Sainz was lucky to have the chance to win that championship because of Makinen was unlucky to find oil because he was first on the road because he had been the best along the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
Not luck. Just everything got back to place.
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Originally Posted by jens
Like Priorat already told....
In 2003 even if Loeb was allowed to attack on GB, I don't think Loeb would be able to catch Petter at that point. You should remember Loeb hadn't even won a rally on gravel at that point, and many of us were still not convinced whether Loeb was all-rounder or tarmac specialist. I'm not denying the fact that Petter was lucky, but I must say Petter was at his best during 2003 and the following season in 2004.
Speaking to 2 Subaru guys I was told that in this 8 weeks gap before Finland is going to be a very tough testing period. One of them told me that Peter is still very hungry for winning and it was a good psychological boost their performance in Greece. I just hope they perform to this level for the rest of the year.
Best? Why? Sainz was superior almost all the season. Makinen was superior only on the last events. Did you forget that Sainz was first on the championship until the 12nd rally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Priorat
Retire 300 metres before the finish is really bad luck the the ones who retire. I think nothing compares to that.
About Solberg, as I always defended that he isn't between the best ones, i strongly believe that if Loeb had hable to fight, Solberg wouldn't have the title in his hands.
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Originally Posted by kleisj
After Acropolis i doubt if was only Solberg hungry for wining a rally, i think that all in Subaru are and all the fans want a Subaru victroy. Will be good to the championship and to a manufacturer who is on WRC since more than 10 years.
Petter, Loeb, Marcus, Sainz, Makinen and ............more, luck ore bad luck, team orders ore not. What does it matter? It is the result that counts. :s mokin:
Over 32 years I follow rally and this will never change!
Change the rules, change the cars, change the drivers and what ever.....
For the first time in years I saw only the results and TV coverage a lot of hours after the rally and It was exciting like It used to be years ago! :up:
Rally remains splendid if there were more teams with good WRC Cars which are reable and can continue at least more then 350 km! :rolleyes:
Sainz said sometime: 'to become champion is very difficult, you have to be very lucky'
tells enough, doesn't it?
At present in the wrc, he is the 3rd best driver. Out of the car in terms of pr, the best in the business....
Lets not speak too soon on that one! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by White Sauron
Petter is a bit tricky to judge..
He has been in the same team for 7 years now.. 2000-2004 models were all competetive and drivers as I recall were happy with them.
But 2005-2007 neither competetive or driver friendly.
2000-2004 Petter was very quick...
2005-2007 Petter making mistakes and car falling apart.
I think he is VERY quick and can beat anyone in a last stage fight.
2003 Finland.. he bent the pedals on the last stage fight with Burns and won!! Pushing like crazy....and consequentialy crash sometimes.
I dont think he has REALLY deserved any drivers title yet. In 2003 Grönholm and Loeb was better overall.
About Mäkinen.. as some have said before Argentina 2002 he was really quick. It doesnt feel right to compare the Tommi with Solberg after that.. he was not anywere near his old speed.
GB 04 too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sladden
But he always makes mistakes when having a fight
I disagree. Petter has won the duels too. In Sweden it was Marcus who made a mistake and crashed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corny
I don't mean fatal mistakes:P