Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
Anyway, I don't mind any system that will keep the excitement till the end of the rally.
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Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
Anyway, I don't mind any system that will keep the excitement till the end of the rally.
Mads could become World Champion as well :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
Or Gigi Galli comeback? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
It is the next logic step based on the long term plan of Dave Richards---a fucking co-driver----to make the WEC into a "TV spectacle"..Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
Now we can discuss this, not saying only one way but judging from the popularity of the threads here, the paint and stickers and logos is very important to many fan-bois--much discussion.....so logically it should be scored..Don't dismiss... Think of the excitement each event, everybody waiting to the moment when TA-DAAAAAHHH! the new livery is reveal and the panel of judges can rate the paint, stickers , promo music and light show, and of course, the back story---all individually scored...Each car could be on camera for 7-9 minutes mini-vignette..
Then of course style points for driving, that foes without saying..there should be known places where judging takes place...the armys of spectaots could be herded into appropriate pens and provide color background..And I think there should be on each stage "tie-breakers" points where drivers are secretly judged on style but only shown to the Pay-for-view home audience>
And as stomping around in snow or slipping in wet chest high summer wheat carrying a camera is no fun, and the clear desire of most people is to go with the times, logically it should next go to score SERVICE, the action behind the scenes which is indispensable, and therefore ripe for exploitation. Imagine a row of judges, watching a 9 minute gearbox change --with dramatic sound track piped into the service area----judging style and execution, and poise...(wait? should it be points added, or points subtracted for really GOOD swearing??? I say points added..It has always vastly helped me when working service to calm down by swearing non-stop..) you could have the build up then 9,9, 9,2, 8.0 9.9, 9.9..and they could do that each service!
The possibilities are endless..Max promo..We're all going to be rich!
So, would you like:
- Ditch powerstage concept
- Give 3-2-1 points
- Keep todays system?
Power stage as is... but the rally ends stage before.. so its FLAT OUT for everyone, with new tyres.
What if power stage points also gave maunufactorer points?
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This could be pretty wicked - as an add-on, regroup after the first pass, then send them back along the stage in the opposite direction, points for fastest aggregate timeQuote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
e.g. two stage mini rally on the Sunday
To much logistic to run in reverse...Quote:
Originally Posted by rhm
But finishing order of power stage determines running order for next rally... now there is a good idea!!
I think that there shall be at least a tyre fitting zone before the Power Stage. Yes, it would cost a bit more but it would prevent ridiculous snail driving through Sunday like on Sardinia (Mikkelsen really made my day winning the PS while on a push through the whole day over Ogier driving like a safety car on reverse gear not wear tyres).
Otherwise I do understand the reason for it's existence and I can live with it despite I don't like the idea very much. Maybe going back to 3-2-1 is better to downplay the importance of PS a bit.
This was applied in the past and it actually worked very well in IRC. It was called a Golden Stage. It was held only once per year and it was also avarded with quite a lot of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhm
Here's Neuville's epic drive through it in 2011 (crazy moment @ 1:50): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3dj13W7dSk
I don't know if it's currently possible within the rules, but I think that there should always be a Tyre Fitting Zone just for Priority 1 entrants prior to the Power Stage.
PS is the only thing that makes Sundays not boring, most of the time. On other hand it makes the other stages even more boring when drivers save tyres for it. The whole Sunday stages have to be rethink into something else. Now I sound like Capito.
How about after Saturday drivers get 2/3 of the points, on Sunday 1/3 of them? Or 3/4 vs 1/4? Pros and Cons?
I think the guiding principle of rally organisation should be: people come to see the drivers drive, and drive fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
So, there should be a tyre zone before the PS. There should be a short service at the end of every loop, and a chance for retired drivers to enter restart rules in the afternoon. There should be a rally 2 on the last day of the Monte, and if their park isn't big enough for more than 60 cars then find another one. And so on.
With or without tyre fitting zone before PS, some drivers still won't go flat out (rally 2) at the previous stages. Besides there should be still tyres left to fit?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Morte66
:) I remember watching it live. Neuville was on an absolute push...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
When will we know if FIA will do adjustments or ditch the powerstage for 2020?
There are so few WRCars now, so even if you habe issues on day 1, as Ogier did in spain, you will get 1 point in 10th, and could get 5 for PS. 6 points is too much for that.
Well I don't see the problem with Power Stage, I haven't complained about it once and it is almost allways exciting. Do feel like it made the rally worse in some way? Because it seems to be really great rally with really close fights this year and previous year.
its pseudo issue , powerstages from last two rallies have been brilliant. Why change something that is working just fine?
Todays system destroys the sunday on too many rallies. Something need to be done.
1. New tyres for all for power stage. So that saving tyres is not pri 1.
2. 1 point for all stage wins on sunday. So that you can earn points not only on the PS.
3. PS points 3-2-1, to have people fight also on sundays. 5 points is too much.
I also would like to see Superally/Rally2 to be banned. If you are out, you are out.
If crews have nothing to gain or lose over Sundays the tyre chat is irrelevant, they won't be involving needless risk. Sounds like you want more entertaining action yet want to stifle the risk by banning Restarting, this doesn't make sense.
I think what you would like is more kilometres on Sundays, or a higher % of the rally. This shifts where the racing is. Then this is nothing to do with the Power Stage system. Maybe?
The purist thinks yes, the realist has accepted that it's needed to keep cars in the event.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
I think the Sunday is a problem, most of the time it's around 40-50km, which is nothing. Couldn't they make it longer, or finish the event on a Saturday evening? That is worth experimenting.
However, we've discussed many times that the Promoters sell a lot of their coverage due to the Power Stage on a Sunday lunchtime every event. They're not going to change this - unless something changes.
Both rallies this year had big drama on Sunday, Ogier’s puncture in Monte and Evans’s off in Sweden. We can go back in history and see something has happened in almost every rally’s Sunday, even though some drivers are just cruising to save tyres.
My suggestion is to have only the power stage driven twice on Sunday (and the kilometres moved elsewhere on the rally, like Thursday evening). Even tyre savers usually go faster on first take of power stage.
Don’t think the PS is the issue.
If the drivers have nothing to play in the 4 last rounds, they will not push and risk the result (especially with the manufacturer championship), it’s as simple as this, either with PS or not.