By the way, I'm surprised that no one's gone for slicks yet. The track looks quite dry on TV already!
Edit: OK, some parts do look rather damp. :p
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By the way, I'm surprised that no one's gone for slicks yet. The track looks quite dry on TV already!
Edit: OK, some parts do look rather damp. :p
Massa driving like he is the only one on the road. SMH
Felipe is driving like he is drunk!
5th now 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyL
Haas, need to let Kmag by and not waste time behind grosjean
Yeah I think he did because Max edged left to avoid Vettel cutting across him which caused him to hit Kimi and then it all startedQuote:
Originally Posted by Warriwa
To be fair, I don't think it's much of a disadvantage as the tires were relatively young anyway. Plus with Hamilton at the wheel he can make te difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Bottas is so slow by comparison.
As slow as Kimi would have been :stareup: :angel:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Yes he seems to have been able to pull away from Ricciardo easily enough, despite the Red Bull having looked the faster car all weekend. Those used inters haven't really proved a hindrance.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
It's slick time
Yes, Might have to do a mea culpa, i did not think the inters would last this longQuote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Perfect, I was just ready for another cuppa, thanks Marcus
bloody erricson. SMH.
What a useless driver
the more i see that first lap incident, the clearer it is that it was vettel's fault 100%
there was absolutely no need for him to squeeze verstappen.
will Vettel escape punishment yet again?
for me it should be a 5 place grid drop for the next race for causing an avoidable collision that ended the race of 3 other cars
ok let us see what bottas can do. because he was nowhere before the SC
also. so sad what's going on with hulkenberg's car. he was on for a podium IMO
also fingers crossed that vandoorne can keep p7
he deserves it :)
WTF is the mercedes race engineer talking about???
STFU, this is stupid
stop overthinking the strategy and just race.
my gawd these guys are annoying
Almost as baffling as McLaren's "hand in the candle" strategyQuote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
I've just watched it a couple of times and Kimi hits Max before Vettel is even in play with the squeeze. I totally agree that Max is 100% inoccent, but the initial contact is from Kimi whilst Max is driving in a straight line, I do, however, think that if Kimi hadn't hit him, Vettel would have done so anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
I see that too, but the hit was because vettel started to squeeze verstappen and he moved ever so slightly to the left while kimi had to move a bit to the right to avoid the pitwall. IMO it was initiated by vettel's aggressive move, but i can see how that might be argued as well. Either way, yes, Verstappen was the innocent party in all that mess...as was AlonsoQuote:
Originally Posted by yodasarmpit
good and entertaining race
lol @ Ferrari Twitter
Congrats to Vandoorne too. That Mclaren had the measure of the williams
Congrats to Palmer. He needed that. Sainz did a great job too.
Bottas was a bit disappointing in my book. But Ricciardo is a fast driver and the RBR was stellar in Singapore.
TBH the gap between he and Ricciardo was what was expected between the RBR and mercs. so perhaps Hamilton outdrove his vehicle more so than Bottas underperforming in his.
Some kind of damage control race ;)
A couple donkey awards - biggest one to Vettel for causing first corner crash and then to Ferrari for their stupid twitter post blaming Max in classic Ferrari denial style.
Finally to Ericsson for spinning where no one has spun before. Another driver in the grid not worth his salt. Only in F1 by paying.
Clear driver of the day is Hamilton - sublime throughout and his lead never really looked under threat
Alright "The Boss"
TBF I think Hamilton's driving the best he ever has. Really regard this as one of his best ever seasons. I still think Ferrari have the best overall car, just Hamilton's out driving his car.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
lol why does Eddie Jordan sound like Rick from Rick & Morty
"Singapoooore, Singapooore" lol
Driver of the day goes to Palmer. Albeit too little too late. Donkey goes to Ferrari. they planned to cover Verstappen but backfired. 4/10 for the race. The rain brought some challenges but didn't improve the racing. The race was processional til the end other than the first lap carnage.
I think both cars are just about equally matched with a slight edge to ferrari initially that is now turning into a slight edge to Mercedes.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
The difference is down to, yes, Hamilton outdriving the car, Bottas usually doing the job when needed in Baku and Austria
But mostly, the fact that Mercedes has not instituted team orders, and more importantly that they have not treated the 2nd car as insignificant.
Kimi has been the beneficiary of some lousy strategy, poor cars and team orders that have hampered his and Ferrari's ambitions in general.
That, ultimately is why Mercedes are this far ahead in the WCC
Ricco and Bottas had problems apparently. Lewis will never get less challengers for a race win ever again. His drive was faultless, one hand on the trophy.
I still think that Ferrari have the better overall package, I just don't think that they have capitalised on it enough. Even if you look at Belgium, I felt they could have won that race and I think had Vettel gotten ahead of Hamilton that he would have pulled away. Italy they didn't capitalise on what they had and went the wrong set up route. Today they screwed themselves. It's making Mercedes look better than they are imo. There isn't a huge amount between both cars but I still think Ferrari have the better car overall. Mercedes one lap race pace is what has got them where they are this season. As I said, I think Lewis is the big differentiator here. Bottas hasn't been anywhere near him since the summer break. He has come back from the break and really stepped it up a gear. He has 7 wins this season now, 3 more and the championship is his really.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Just watching replays of the start... Hamilton was pretty clever about where he positioned himself to avoid the chaos, both the collision and Vettel's spin.
"The Stewards consider that no driver was found to have been wholly or predominantly to blame for the incident and will therefore take no further action."
No surprise that they came to this conclusion with Vettel and Ferrari involved.
FIA=Ferrari International Assistance!
I think anyone who says that Vettel is 100% responsible for the crash should watch all 3 onboards and the offboard cameras again shot by shot.
My view of the accident:
Kimi has a brilliant start, goes into the inside of Max. Seb has a bad start, starts pulling to the inside at increasing angles. Max starts moving inside at the same time as Seb, leaving lots of room on his right. Max therefore kind of misses Kimi, or misjudges the speed difference (as he weaves a bit when Kimi arrives next to him). By that time Seb has closed Max completely down (using all the room available to him) and Max has no room to get further away from Kimi and catches his rear right tire. What I mean is that Max DID NOT go left to avoid contact with Seb as the distance to Seb was bigger than the distance to Kimi. I have seen some people saying that Kimi was closing down on Max but looking at his onboard then it is the opposite.
If you analyse every move by itself then all of them are completely legit. Max pushing Kimi would be 100% fine without Seb pushing Max and vice-versa.
Overall i think 3 completely legit moves but when executed at the same time ended very unfortunately.
Its a long race You are set in a Red car that showed its pace the day before .You don't get off the line as well as you should ,there is 61 laps to go ,its raining WHY be hair brained and squeeze Max and take your team mate out ? Selfish !!! You reap what you sow !
The point here is what could either Kimi or Max have done differently to avoid a collision? Answer - absolutely nothing! Max's jink left coincides with just after Vettel's first move left. But neither Max's moves or Kimi's initiated the crash. It is all caused by Vettel needlessly cutting across the track.Quote:
Originally Posted by onemanband
Vettel was to blame but, in this case, I don't believe there was any intent. I don't believe he should be punished further simply because of that. But he was still at fault. Twas a stupid thing to do and with such a long race to go - complete insanity!
Yes - Hamilton was very impressive. Despite driving a car which can't compete with the RBR on this track in the dry, given a damp track he was just driving away from both Ricciardo and Bottas.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
For my driver of the day, I'm going to nominate Nico Hulkenberg. He had a damn good try at avoiding that ignominious record. Got into 3rd place and at that stage of the race, he was more than a second a lap faster than anyone else on wets, and also faster than all the inter runners bar Hamilton and Ricciardo. If not for the strategy error and the unreliability, I think he might have held on to that podium position.
Yes, I agree that at the point of the accident, there was no reasonable way out for Max. But on the other side, my whole point was that He wasnt in that position because he was forced there by Vettel "pushing" him, but put himself in that position with the intent to "push" Kimi. So if one was to say Vettel's "push" was unnecessary, then so was Verstappen's. If you look it like that then Vettel used all the room available to him, as is fair but Verstappen also needed that same room to escape the bad position he had put himself in before he was aware of Vettel's move. And I think it would require too much of a driver to read that kind of situation in the split second that was available (if Vettel even saw Kimi there).Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
its is so sad that I am not surprised by the FIA's action. It really is a somewhat biased system.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
If it was anyone but the Ferrari driver they would be tripping over themselves to hand out a penalty for unnecessary and dangerous driving.
At the very least penalty points.
This was not even close to a "racing incident"
It was very clear that vettel initiated the calamity by blindly and foolishly swerving to the left. His move made no sense whatsover and ended up causing his retirement and 3 other cars.
All because he made a slow start and desperately tried to win the race on lap 1 in damp conditions/ SMH
I feel bad for Vestappen, kimi and especially Alonso who made an incredible start.
oh well. On to Malaysia
Even if you could blame that 100% on Vettel, that was nowhere near worthy of a penalty. Nothing to do with bias or anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDu4...=youtu.be&t=24
Pretty compelling evidence that Seb orchestrated the accident. He probably never saw Kimi!