[WRC] 86th Rallye Monte-Carlo 2018 (Jan 22-28)

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Originally Posted by Essaj

learn to write Suninen...

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Remember: The Sun is a newspaper in England. Sun in EN.

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Ogier Fiesta WRC
Evans Fiesta WRC
Camilli?? Fiesta WRC
Neuville I20 WRC
Mikkelsen I20 WRC
Sordo I20 WRC
Meeke C3 WRC
Breen C3 WRC
Latvala Yaris WRC
Tanak Yaris WRC
Lappi Yaris WRC

Arzeno Fabia R5 ?
Bouffier Fabia R5 / Fiesta WRC??
Carret Fabia R5
Rovanpera Fabia R5
Veiby Fabia R5 ?
Abbring Fiesta R5
Burri Fiesta R5
Suninen Fiesta R5?
Vossen Fiesta R5
Giordano I20? R5
Huttunen I20 R5 ?
Sarrazin I20 R5
De Mevius 208 R5
Bonato DS3 R5 ?

Delecour Vantage

Poizot Clio R3t

Dolce 208 R2
Jocius 208 R2
Fostier 208 R2
Latil 208 R2
Molle 208 R2
Oberti 208 R2
Pavlidis 208 R2
Scherrer 208 R2
Franseschi Fiesta R2t
Jassaud Twingo R2

Berard Twingo R1
Martini Twingo R1

https://www.rally-maps.com/Rallye-Monte-Carlo-2018/

maps on rally-maps

I guess the C3 R5 is not homologated in time for Monte? Would have been a good opportunity for Lefebvre to rack up early big points in an event he's quick on.

They still could get him ds3 r5. I'm sure that he could score some good points even with that car, but still better than nothing

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Originally Posted by Mirek

That's not Michelin requirement but the tyre size is strictly set in supplementary regulations of the event. Usually they allow narrow tyres for small cars but not for 4WD. The reason is partially in Monte Carlo being declared as asphalt event, i.e. with asphalt brakes and asphalt suspension package. For using small snow wheels You need to change a lot of other things on the car (for example asphalt brake discs can't fit into them).

In times of IRC it was still allowed to cut the wide tyres extensively and in those times in case of big snow they for example completely removed the middle stripe of rubber blocks from the tyre and every second block from side stripes. The tyres looked almost like for tractor - like on these pictures:
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2009/irc/...hanninen_5.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2009/irc/...63_meeke_2.jpg

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So, Michelin would provide snow tires/studs in the asphalt spec size I assume?

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Originally Posted by Mirek

That's not Michelin requirement but the tyre size is strictly set in supplementary regulations of the event. Usually they allow narrow tyres for small cars but not for 4WD. The reason is partially in Monte Carlo being declared as asphalt event, i.e. with asphalt brakes and asphalt suspension package. For using small snow wheels You need to change a lot of other things on the car (for example asphalt brake discs can't fit into them).

In times of IRC it was still allowed to cut the wide tyres extensively and in those times in case of big snow they for example completely removed the middle stripe of rubber blocks from the tyre and every second block from side stripes. The tyres looked almost like for tractor - like on these pictures:

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in the IRC they could also use snow tyres and studded tyres.

Hey, any news about Astier?

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Originally Posted by denkimi

in the IRC they could also use snow tyres and studded tyres.

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The rules for 4WD were nearly same as today. Wide 18" tyres with certain amount of studs (short ones) allowed. The difference was in allowed cutting and in number of tyres but the basic wide snow tyre design today is same as in IRC times.

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Originally Posted by Revman

So, Michelin would provide snow tires/studs in the asphalt spec size I assume?

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Yes, just not only Michelin.

Rumours about Bouffier in 3rd M-Sport car. Comeback to specialists days?

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Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira

Rumours about Bouffier in 3rd M-Sport car. Comeback to specialists days?

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Pleeeease let the specialist days come back! I loved the diversity of having Rovanperä on one rally and Panizzi on the next.

I will ask though, who was Peugeot's tarmac specialist in 2004? I know that Panizzi was with them during the 206 days, but in 2004 he did some outings with the shitty Lancer. Was it Freddy Loix, or did he also share events with others like Cedric Robert?

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I should say both, Loix and Robert. but Loix somehow didn't have confidence for that team...

The difference is that M-sport needs money from drivers, they're not really hiring specialists for certain events. If, say, Suninen doesn't have the budget for a whole season, the seat's open for anyone with a bag of cash on the remaining events.

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Originally Posted by Barreis

I should say both, Loix and Robert. but Loix somehow didn't have confidence for that team...

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did he had in Mitsubishi days?

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Originally Posted by dimviii

did he had in Mitsubishi days?

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no, but he was good in toyota days

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Originally Posted by Barreis

no, but he was good in toyota days

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what did he achieved as he was ''confident'' at Toyota?

well, he posted some good stage times and finished good on some rallies. that's why mitsu signed him, right?!

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Originally Posted by Barreis

well, he posted some good stage times and finished good on some rallies. that's why mitsu signed him, right?!

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so he did nothing, while he was at several years at works teams with top championship winning cars at their era.

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Originally Posted by Barreis

well, he posted some good stage times and finished good on some rallies. that's why mitsu signed him, right?!

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Not really. Cowan signed him partly because he was coming with a very nice Marlboro sponsorship. He showed some flashes of speed with the Celica and the Corolla, but never kept on his early promises.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

so he did nothing, while he was at several years at works teams with top championship winning cars at their era.

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Maybe you have to look to the archives to see what he did... ;) He actually finished 2nd in his first WRC event with a 4WD car, and after that did more podiums with Toyota. Freddy is a driver with a lot of technical knowledge (that's why Skoda worked with him for the development of the Fabia S2000 and R5, or why he is still doing the testing-work for Michelin to develop their tires). But I think he can't perform well when not everything is to his liking, which was the case at Mitsubishi and Peugeot with the whale. Going to Mitsubishi was the biggest mistake in his career. Saying "he did nothing" is completely wrong, dimviii. ;)

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

Maybe you have to look to the archives to see what he did... ;) He actually finished 2nd in his first WRC event with a 4WD car, and after that did more podiums with Toyota. Freddy is a driver with a lot of technical knowledge (that's why Skoda worked with him for the development of the Fabia S2000 and R5, or why he is still doing the testing-work for Michelin to develop their tires). But I think he can't perform well when not everything is to his liking, which was the case at Mitsubishi and Peugeot with the whale. Going to Mitsubishi was the biggest mistake in his career. Saying "he did nothing" is completely wrong, dimviii. ;)

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Tom all these are well known,but the fact is that while he was with very strong financial backing, for plenty of years,at championship winning works teams/cars he won nothing.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

Tom all these are well known,but the fact is that while he was with very strong financial backing, for plenty of years,at championship winning works teams/cars he won nothing.

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So that means that counts only if you win championship? Or some rallies... If some guys didn't won either of that and bring some valuable points to the team that doen't mean anything??

Well, outside of Acropolis 99,I can't recall any time that Loix matched Makinen through their 3 years as team mates. And he was away from Marcus in 2004. Maybe his Safari crash in 1999 had a bad influence on his career.

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Originally Posted by ESTR

So that means that counts only if you win championship? Or some rallies... If some guys didn't won either of that and bring some valuable points to the team that doen't mean anything??

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yes if you are for 15 years with works teams and won nothing,you did nothing.

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

Maybe you have to look to the archives to see what he did... He actually finished 2nd in his first WRC event with a 4WD car, and after that did more podiums with Toyota.

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He did already 4WD WRC events in 1996. He didn't finish 2nd until in Portugal 1997 where almost all works drivers retired. Two podiums in 1998 with good performances, but after that, lots of crashing and being off the pace.

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Originally Posted by macebig

Well, outside of Acropolis 99,I can't recall any time that Loix matched Makinen through their 3 years as team mates. And he was away from Marcus in 2004. Maybe his Safari crash in 1999 had a bad influence on his career.

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Cyprus 2000 maybe too, he won 2 stages if I remember well, but was hindered by mechanical problems and a roll so finished about 8th.

I really don't know why are we talking about Loix here, it's wrong thread. it's probably for Rally Discussion and bar talk...

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Originally Posted by Barreis

I really don't know why are we talking about Loix here, it's wrong thread. it's probably for Rally Discussion and bar talk...

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Oops

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It's behind a paywall but apparently this article says that Camilli and Suninen will both run R5 cars on the Monte.

http://www.nicematin.com/auto/onze-w...-glaces-195235

Hat tip to @Traxx_WiF on Twitter for finding it.

Here is the complete news :

https://www.pressreader.com/france/n...81831464102630

Bouffier in third Fiesta Wrc?

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Originally Posted by Alex009

Bouffier in third Fiesta Wrc?

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If I understood it correctly, he is still searching the budget required...

Apparently soon will hyundai and toyota announce that only two cars will be on the lists... budget budget budget...

Andrea Coti Zelati (Citroen DS3 R3T)

Sources for Bouffier in third Fiesta?

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Originally Posted by Watson

Sources for Bouffier in third Fiesta?

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There was a news link just a few posts back

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

There was a news link just a few posts back

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Oh I'm sorry. This thread gathered pace more quickly than I was aware of. I looked into it. He finished second in a Fiesta WRC in 2014 in Monte. He'd have a disadvantage cause he doesn't know the car but he seems to know hos way around Monte.

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Originally Posted by ESTR

Apparently soon will hyundai and toyota announce that only two cars will be on the lists... budget budget budget...

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M-Sport with two paid drivers and one or more pay driver isn`t new policy. No point to compare them with rich teams that don`t have that kind of an issue.

What was the funding for the 3rd M-Sport car in 2017, did DMACK pay for everything ?

It's shame that in 2018 when M-Sport has more Ford support but no permanent 3rd car ...

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Originally Posted by Tarmop

M-Sport with two paid drivers and one or more pay driver isn`t new policy. No point to compare them with rich teams that don`t have that kind of an issue.

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This year Citroen and Toyota started the season with only two 2017 cars.

But it's true that without DMack money M-Sport can't afford a regular third car like this year.