no it's not, especially in the 1st year. The alternative is having '16 cars be useless. So for the first year i think it's actually a good compromise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
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no it's not, especially in the 1st year. The alternative is having '16 cars be useless. So for the first year i think it's actually a good compromise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Where did you read that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
He couldn't race WRC Trophy with a 2017 car and he is wanted a Private Trophy since a long time ago...
...but don't all WRC cars become "useless" at some point after regulations change? There was no special trophy for the 2litre cars. The S1600s died out when R3 was introduced.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
Serderidis will participate with a DS3 WRC.
2Litre, S1600 and all others are different story, WRC(ar) is only for WRC(hampionship), while others are (was) still usefull in ERC, ERT, IRC, different regional and national championships. FIA don't want WRC(ar) to let compete them in national and regional series, so what to do with these machines? Museum or privateers trophy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon
WRC 2.0 didn't had that luck
Doon meant the 2l WRCars.
There is a big difference with the transition between 2.0 and 1.6 WRCs: The old 2.0 WRCs were (feared to be) faster than the 1.6WRCs. Now that isn't the case so they can safely allow the old WRC to run, they will not beat the works cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
I think the major reason was that 2.0L wrcars were much more expensive than the 1.6 wrcars.i dont think a private driver with a 2.0L car could beat an official car 1.6L car.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
The older privateers need a Championship as they cant win the WRC event.
They need to say they won the Privateers World Championship to tell sponsors... saying 'I came 10th in the WRC' doesnt get them any kudos.
And young up-and-coming drivers wont get 2016 WRC's as they cost too much to run. They will stay with R5's.
Rumours about Brynildsen trying Fiesta WRC 2017, if failed, WRC 2016 in that "trophy".
But they still want high spec cars. M-Sport will sell some. Prokop wanted for years privateer media space in resume, but he will have a 2017 car as soon as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
The first and also the last entrant. Serderidis is going to win all the stages! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/201...10_finalAC.pdf
Gorban in sweden entry list.
if he doesn't crash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
At his speed?! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
He broke 2 chassis beginning last year at Monte Carlo and Haspengouw, he does the impossible :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
if anyone make again a sarcastic comment for Serderidis,i will hack the server.i will not let anybody to make fun with my compatriot.
As we found out last year, it's possible to crash even before the stage start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Guys, thanks for finding the videos and all your comments. Especially the last video (above) is very impressive and leaves me speachless. I had no idea he was so talented ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
Thruth is without him Belgian rally scene will be much more weaker, he also helps quite a few drivers financially...
Not only Belgian. I think Bergkvist would be sitting at home without the support of Serderidis. Rallying for him is his hobby, and clearly he doesn't have a lot of talent as a driver, but you must respect him for how he helps the sport by also supporting other drivers who do have the talent. Don't forget that people who got the luck and skills to become a professional rally driver were once supported by a guy like Serderidis.
That aside I don't think it's very clever to let him start just before the first R5 cars...
I do have respect for him, he does a lot for the rallying in Belgium for sure :)
An interview of WRC Trophy leader, Serderidis :
http://www.lemagsportauto.com/wrc-tr...e-carlo/20661/
Well that's one way of putting it.. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sub_Skoda
Autosport:
"The new WRC Trophy for the previous generation machines had only one registered entry on the Monte, where Jourdan Serderidis drove a Citroen.
The category will double in size for Sweden, as regular privateers Valeriy Gorban (Mini JCW WRC) and Lorenzo Bertelli (Ford Fiesta WRC) return."
Two entrants. Wow. :rolleyes:
I wonder if Ford had been back as a factory team (using M-Sport) would they be selling 2017 Fiesta's to privateers ?
If not then the WRC Trophy might have worked with the privateers all using the 2016 cars as intended.
As it is, M-Sport selling 2017 WRC's has finished the Trophy as a competition.
Isn't it the case the M-Sport have actually sold all cars from 2016 and earlier? I don't think they have any cars sitting around for prospective WRC Trophy clients. They were the prime people pushing for it so they clearly thought they had a business case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Equally they were still churning out customer cars (albeit run under their M-Sport umbrella) while running as a works team.
M-Sport sold all Fiesta WRC previous generation. But i think is still possible buy Prokop, Kubica and Al-Rahji units
Prokop, Gorban and Raoux in the trophy for Portugal, shame Serderidis is not there.
Does someone know wich drivers have some more rally's planned in this trophy. Wil this be only outing of Raoux?
I still like the idea of tis extra championship, a shame there are not more competitors found..
Yazeed in Sardegna possible.
5 was minimum of entrants for this Trophy. Now they have it.
I´m still hoping that someone will start with VW
pantalex, didn´t they have to complete some minimal number of events to be counted in final classification at the end of year or am I mistaken and to compete one rally is enough?
Could we finally have some competition in this class?
Could someone tell me what's the motivation for Bertelli to drive a 2017 car and not compete the WRC Trophy? His speed clearly isn't on the level of the works drivers or Østberg, he has basically no one to compete with.
Raimund Baumschlager drove a 2016 Polo in an Austrian event a week ago, maybe he could do a WRC event? Or do you have to pre-enter to WRC Trophy at the beginning of the season?
If you had the choice between driving a 2017 car against real competition or a 2016 car against a bunch of old men in a meaningless cup that no-one cares about, what would you choose?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Let's addQuote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
1. Driving a 2017 car and losing by minutes to every other driver, with no one close to the same level.
2. Driving a 2016 car and most likely winning the Trophy, having some actual competition.
Prokop and Bertelli would be about the same speed, as would be Gorban and Al-Qassimi. That would be even some competition.
Is there actual competition?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Up until Protugal there has only been 1 or two cars in the class. Is that 'actual competition'?
The Trophy is a joke, and I'd prefer the challenge and thrill of driving a 2017 spec car rather than beating old businessman..
A young businessman beating the old ones? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Probably Prokop would be faster at every rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL