Unfortunately Nikolay Gryazin crashes in tests before ''Rally Liepāja''
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Unfortunately Nikolay Gryazin crashes in tests before ''Rally Liepāja''
VIDEO: http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/mustsee/er...dzivo-avariju/
Rally Liepaja will be canceled for ERC and Latvian champs. Official decision tomorrow.
Today Winter Rally in Lithuania also canceled probably. Many crews today already withdraw as almost impossible to pass roads during the recce.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ps1dlqffgk.jpg
This Winter rocks ? Not for rallying it doesn't ! :(
Another backlash for an already weakening ERC.
Yes, what kind of idiots rule this championship?Quote:
Originally Posted by WUff1
Is Eurosport or FIA suddenly responsible also for the crazy weather in Europe?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Not so easy nowadays. The weather has changed. It would be better to have a proper winter rally and the only place is in the northern Europe where the winter and snow is guaranteed!
As far as I know there is no interest in ERC from the event organizations there.
No indeed, Arctic rally was long time candidate for it but I think they don't have the resources to do it. But anyways FIAERC is not responsible for this, I think Liepaja is always around this date?
Well, official statement will be tomorrow, around 15:00 local time.
At least they had some ideas today, still...
National event would be cancelled anyway, because of no participants (it's double event, not many have resources for it), only 29 crews had applied.
And yes, Liepaja was always this time, but because there was Jannerraly before it, in mid January. And usually february is coldest month here. At least it should be. Still, I guess next year there should be some timing changes to catch proper winter conditions. But yes, this year is very unfortunate - all january there was plenty of snow and stable temperatures around -10C, but this monday it all started to melt frantically.
could you please dont blame ERC, organisers or what/whomever for this weather - used to be proper winters at this time in Baltic states, please ask NOT why weather has changed (as he knows everything :) )
Even when we don´t blame organizers the only one solution is to drop out Liepaja for next year. Global warming is fact , you can´t dispute it and having every second year of Rally Liepaja canceled doesn´t make any sense. It is like VHS videoshop business. It was nice, but it is past and those times won´t come back and simply nobody is responsible for that.
No one is blaming ERC or Eurosport. But in ERC´s condition something like this is not very good too.
No, but they are resposible for the calendar and rules. Firstly, they ruined Janner Rally with their stupid rules, now they chose a rally in Liepaja, that cannot be organized without snow. Are they serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
About Jänner Rallye you´re right, but about Rally Liepaja they couldn´t be blamed for the weather. Don´t forget it was OK in the years before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
We are used to here in Latvia to quick weather changes. But this one was like a "blitzkrieg" - all snow was destroyed by plus temperature and rain within 3 days...
Rally Liepaja is some sort of gamble with those winter conditions we experience in last 15 years, but still it's well organized and prepared. Sometimes there are some things you can't control.
And yes, it's official now - rally is cancelled. There are plans for rescheduling it to some further dates, organizers will announce it as soon as possible.
Past is past. I expect these weather conditions repeating every 2 or 3 years from now on. (and I am not even pessimist) It is just not passable for future because of the surface. And I am not talking only about ERC but LRC aswell.
I dont agree that FIA or Eurosport ruined Jänner. There were different things behind...Quote:
Originally Posted by WUff1
In last years, there were not so big problems with weather and rally was always done without problems. Similar situation is with Halls Winter Rally in Lithuania - also they didnt cancelled their event in the past, but this terrible change of weather forced them to cancel the rally yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by liposh
I think, this weather change is very similar to situation like flood in the region of stages. You cannot blame anyone for this...
I am sure that FIA and Eurosport killed Jänner Rallye. To pay 300.000,-- Euros to Eurosport (as I have heard only, I can´t prove this sum) and then be broadcasted at 11 p.m., when nowbody except Rallye Hardcore Fans watch! To have a really stupid tyre reglement, published 8 days or so before scrutineering, no local heroes to be seen on overall results list, local heroes not in Eurosport, or treated as 3rd world drivers - who else but FIA and Eurosport killed Jänner Rallye.
ERC and ERT are organized as Championships for professionals but there are only 3 professionals in each of these series. So these championships are not made to the demands of the majority of drivers - so they are bound to die!
Official statement - http://2016.lvrally.com/eng/news/87
Thats not true. Janner killed themselves. This things regarding payment was known before Janner joined ERC. If they decided to join the championship, they knew that it will cost lot of money. Regarding the tyres - what exactly do you mean? That it will not be possible to use in ERC narrow studded tyres? This was known more than year before race that it will happen...Quote:
Originally Posted by karl59
As I told, Janner killed themselves. Because they were joining ERC (despite all risks with it was known) and because of "stupid" date which forced lot of national and mainly international crews to skip this event.
"Stupid" date as you call it already was from the beginning, some 30 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
From an international point of view, all top crews (ok, except Skoda since 2014 and Peugeot ´till 2015, but e.g. Top 5 of final standings in 2015) were present, so I don´t agree about this, and also Mirek stated this when discussion arose around announcement of the end of the rally. The big difference to other ERC rallies was the dying local scene.
By the way, organizers
Rally postponed to a later date in 2016... as what kind of rally, gravel ?
But does it change the fact that the rule was stupid?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
I think they still want to organize snow event. (maybe at the end of February? who knows?) IMHO it is impossible to organize it as gravel rally. Rainy conditions would make damage to roads. Right?
"... we will have to organize new rally from scratch" ((c) Liepāja organizers). So it could be gravel rally only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Maybe defect will turn to effect (for Latvian fans at least). Gravel is a natural rally surface for that region - last year "Rally Kurzeme" celebrated 50th anniversary and all of "Liepāja" stages are well known "Kurzeme" gravel stages.
Regarding Janner, it now doesn't happen at all so that points to larger problems than those regarding ERC.
No real chance of snow rally this season, all long term forecasts says winter is over here.Quote:
Originally Posted by liposh
Gravel rally it should be, just don't mix kinda flood situation (30cm of snow is a lot of water) with occasional rain in summer. In last years, summers tend to be too dry, not too wet.
But let's see the dates.
Jänner Rally organizers ruined themselves when they decided to buy the place in the calendar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Besides that what stupid rules do You speak about? You simply can't allow non-FIA cars or tires in FIA event. There's nothing idiotic about that.
Some do and it's pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by WUff1
So why did the drivers complain?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Rally Liepāja, the opening round of the 2016 FIA European Rally Championship, will not take place as scheduled because of unforeseen weather conditions.
A Q&A with Raimonds Strokšs, the Event Director, follows..
http://www.fiaerc.com/erc-qa-raimonds-strokss/
If the organizers wanted to do an event for everybody they shall have not opted for ERC and made rules themselves. However they did enter ERC and therefore they had to respect rules of ERC. Simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
"Early autumn" (September?)could be a new date for Rally Liepaja.
Sorry, but also in last years there were missing 10-15 crews who were thinking about start, but in not so stupid date. And most of competitors doing ERC were unhappy with date of this event. It is one of the reasons why czech championship was going out of Janner and also why number and level of competitors were decreasing year by year. Sorry, this is fact. I am in contact with most of the teams competing/thinking about competition in ERC so I know a lot of things about this issue...Quote:
Originally Posted by WUff1
For sure it will not be winter rally, but gravel rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Can of course be run, but if they do that they will have to repair the roads for hundred of thousands of euros, and that is not in the budget I guess!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Wheatherwise. This winter has been extremely cold in Baltics. We had many days more than -30 degrees in many places and Northern Estonia got a lot of snow (also coastal areas in Latvia). However, one very extreme strom hit us a few days ago when windspeed reached over 30 m/s near to Tallinn (last night), it is very unusual. Very strong wind, very heavy rain and more than +5 took all the snow. Well, actually the amount of snow was not too big as it was falled with very low temperatures, that means it was not dense and that snow melts quickly.
So, Liepaja organizers are doing very good job but as I have said it before, it is organized in wrong location. It is too close to the coast. All recent years have been very near of cancelling the rally. In ideal world, this rally should take place near Estonian-Russina border, in NE Latvia. But this is not the place where the money is. Money is in Liepaja and Ventspils harbour and in this region, so, rally is there. This winter has been so extreme that I must say that if this rally would have have taken place in NE Latvia, it might have been cancelled as well (very big risk), but in most years, it would have been very safe. So, let me remind you, we are not living in ideal world..
Rally Sweden, looks very safe right now. Cyclones are mostly passing it from the south and west and temperature vareis between a few plus degrees and a lot of minus degrees, that means, we should have almost ideal conditions for rally (very solid ice-base for the roads). Maybe less snow and snowbanks but ice layer should be much thicker than during very cold winters.