2015 Chinese Grand Prix Thread

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Originally Posted by truefan72

well perhaps you should listen to it , read the statement, then come back with an informed opinion before making a post that sounds like something rosberg would say these days. lol

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At the time, I didn't have too. Because I now how precious posters like you and TBK are about Hamilton. But since, I have seen footage of the presser, and the "juicy bits" have been played on sports radio here a couple of times. It just confirmed my original thought. He didn't say anything offensive. He just called Hamilton out and stated an opposite view. An opposite view that can be validated, if not confirmed.

"Fans" like you drag the discussion of F1 down a fair bit.

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Originally Posted by N. Jones

If Hamilton was going slow, why didn't Rosberg try to pass him? Is Nico so intimidated by Lewis that he already beaten?

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Originally Posted by N. Jones

Doesn't matter, you race to win, especially early in the season.

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Thanks Ayrton. Maybe Rosberg is lacking some confidence. Maybe he feels under siege. After all, after attempting to be aggressive and pass Hamilton at Spa. He got crucified for an innocent misjudgement, even by some in his own team, never mind every butthurt Hamilton fan. Even though he pulled out last split second. It wouldn't matter what he did, clowns will find a reason to **** on him.

Now he's not even attempting to pass, just requesting that Hamilton go quicker. Which is an unusual request for someone in his position. Normally they'd ask the teammate to pull over if they're struggling. Yet, the unnecessarily cynical view is still taken. Have you made a post asking why he'd ask that? Is there some backroom understanding done in MB over how Rosberg an Hamilton will race this season?

Ridiculous.

It would seem to me that some clown is whining and crying that some are stating as fact that Hamilton controlled the race and Rosberg whined. I agree that it is ridiculous. If a driver is faster they pass. The driver in front controls the pace they want to run, and has no obligation to move to keep a crying driver behind from getting butt hurt about it.

I think it's comical that you pretend to post without bias, especially in light of your sig line. Anyone not biased against Hamilton will in your view be a fanboi.

Lewis had the better of Nico all weekend long. It's really that easy. If anyone needs a tissue, get over it and quit blaming it on bias. :)

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Originally Posted by journeyman racer

He got crucified for an innocent misjudgement, even by some in his own team, never mind every butthurt Hamilton fan. Even though he pulled out last split second. It wouldn't matter what he did, clowns will find a reason to **** on him.

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If you can take that same view were the roles to be reversed, I will take notice. I don't think anyone wants to hate on Nico. We are not dj, and I think most of us who like Hamilton can accept it if he is beaten fairly. Remember TBK was praising Nico and rating him highly during the 2013 pre-season. I always thought highly of Nico's talent too. It's just that, with good reason, I find it hard to trust the guy these days.

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Now he's not even attempting to pass, just requesting that Hamilton go quicker. Which is an unusual request for someone in his position. Normally they'd ask the teammate to pull over if they're struggling. Yet, the unnecessarily cynical view is still taken. Have you made a post asking why he'd ask that? Is there some backroom understanding done in MB over how Rosberg an Hamilton will race this season?

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Ok but this conspiracy doesn't have a very solid base, imo no more so than Hamilton's slow pitstops last year, or Toto not really congratulating Hamilton, but commiserating with Rosberg for example.

Also, why ca't it just simply be Hamilton is better? Why is it Rosberg is just that good to be beaten over a season without suffering a conspiracy?

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Ridiculous.

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Yup.




P.S. Did anyone read dj's latest column. It was good and I liked it, but he pretty much said Rosberg is an innocent team player while Hamilton is a sly selfish driver who will do whatever it takes, and who has an arrogant "I am the greatest" mentality and rubs it in! (unlike anyone who sticks their finger up in a "me me me me" kinda way) :/

I wonder which stage of grief dj is in at seeing the hated Hamilton do so well. I think anger still. :P

(Oh I know, I'm being naughty tonight)

OK this is starting to get pretty ugly, in a jingoistic sort of way ;)
I fully expect (if The Boss punks Nico again in Bahrain) for the rumors to get legs that their are currently talks with Mercedes, and Fred, the latter exercising his escape clause from McMcLaren, to hammer out a deal that will see him join the Boss at Mercedes (which would be bad news for Mecedes and Lewis because every team Fred moves to turns to Sh^t). I mean Fred did just say he wants to retire at McLaren so that's as good as saying "I'm gone Johnson!" Thus creating a cascade effect bouncing Nico to Ferrari, and Kimi signing with Hollywood Haas :cool:
Yeah, it could happen :idea: :angel:

It is a pity if the main thing to discuss about the race are post-race comments. How bad must the race have been? :p:

Rosberg wasn't fast enough and wanted to push the attention away. Hopefully he'll come back stronger, leave the comments aside and give Lewis a fight on the racetrack. I think for entertainment value for those watching, we need that.

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Originally Posted by rjbetty

Hmmm I'm not gonna apologise for not liking Rosberg's antics. It's out of order and needs to be called out! But it is really entertaining too. :D (I can get a bit sensitive cos I've encountered people like this in my life recently, so a bit close to home)

I just like things to be nice and fair, regardless of if a driver is my favourite or not.

Have a good day.

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Oh. You have encountered people like Rosberg in your life.:p:

Well, I have encountered all kinds of people. Maybe that's why I don't care any more (about comments and stuff). World is what it is, people are what they are. :)

For me, one of the highs of the race was the epic battle between the McLarens and Maldonado's Lotus sometimes around lap 48-49 (the idiotic NBC sports channel covered all of it with commercials and some stupid old throwback footage instead of showing the actual race). The way things were going, I was about to start questioning why we rank Alonso higher than Button, but later Button crashed into the back of Maldonado's car. Unusually, Maldonado was actually a victim in this incident. In the end, it's surprising to see how once mighty Lotus is now struggling against the backmarker McLaren, even after switching to the dominant Mercedes engine.

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Originally Posted by zako85

The way things were going, I was about to start questioning why we rank Alonso higher than Button, but later Button crashed into the back of Maldonado's car. Unusually, Maldonado was actually a victim in this incident. In the end, it's surprising to see how once mighty Lotus is now struggling against the backmarker McLaren, even after switching to the dominant Mercedes engine.

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I personally started questioning whether Honda is as much down on power as claimed if they could almost compete with Mercedes on a straight line. Or was it down to setup. Because so far there have been claims that McLaren chassis is very good, only let down by engine. But it could be engine is not that horrible, while chassis is also not up to scratch.

In all fairness, Grosjean was sitting in a much better position than Pastor, so there may be some promise in the Lotus still. Being how Mercedes, Ferrari, and to a lesser extent Williams have pulled away from the pack being the best of the rest is about all they can hope for with their current drivers lineup. And though Jenson isn't one for many mistakes, he just couldn't decide which way to go when he hit Pastor.

As for Jenson, he had the better of 6/10ths Fernando all weekend, and only that bonehead move let Alonso get by him. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. The last time Alonso was at McLaren the lack of being #1 by default resulted in being beaten by Lewis..... just barely, but beaten in the same car. If Button gets the better of Fred I don't know what I'll think.... has Alonso lost his edge or have I rated Jenson lower than I should have?


I thought the Ferrari strategy was also interesting. They were driving Kimi to a time delta, and seemed to want him to stay back and clear of Vettels dirty air. He ended up with fresher tires at the end, and seemingly some pace over Vettel. I think he got close enough that Vettel would have responded, as he was almost in DRS range. But in any case the safety car came out, and even if Kimi could catch him passing him would have been another story.

As for Mercedes, still ahead of the pack, but I personally think they changed tire strategy to cover the Ferrari's. At least someone is close enough to make them think now, and if humans are thinking, they can screw up on occasion. I think if Ferrari keeps doing what they are doing, they have a chance at some more race wins, or at least getting ahead of one of the Mercedes. And there are a few tracks where the power advantage of the Mercedes won't help as much, and we have a chance at some good side by side on track fights. I think all four of the drivers in those cars are capable of giving us a good show when that happens.

Nico? He just needs to get Lewis out of his head. He showed last year he can get the car on pole, and if he can get his head down and do that this year it will be a major change and Lewis will have to fight back over the race distance.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

As for Jenson, he had the better of 6/10ths Fernando all weekend, and only that bonehead move let Alonso get by him. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. The last time Alonso was at McLaren the lack of being #1 by default resulted in being beaten by Lewis..... just barely, but beaten in the same car. If Button gets the better of Fred I don't know what I'll think.... has Alonso lost his edge or have I rated Jenson lower than I should have?

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Not exactly my brotha', you just didn't get the whole story!

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Only Button had new diffuser in China - report - Nextgen-Auto.com Motorsport, all the racing information. News, results, photos and videos from F1, Rally, WRC, IRC, WTCC, GP2, Endurance, Forums

Fernando Alonso demonstrated his "good mood" by happily racing a step behind teammate Jenson Button in China.
That is the claim of Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport, revealing that the specification of the Spaniard’s McLaren-Honda in Shanghai was not quite up to speed with the sister car.
The report said only one version of a new diffuser was brought by McLaren to China, and Alonso "generously" let teammate Button have it aboard his silver car.
Some believe the component is worth a couple of tenths per lap, and Alonso will have use of it in Bahrain this weekend.
http://www.bloob.fr/f1-formula-1-new...om-113822.html

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Fred, good mood, giving it up for his dawg "Jense" Maybe Fred isn't as self centered and greedy as you would like to believe.....anymore ;) Although I think that if they were fighting at the sharp end (which will happen this season) Zo would have gotten it first. That is if Jenson wasn't whippin' his a$$, which I don't think will happen, but he could punk him as badly as The Boss did, but nothing like the as$-whippin' Fred gave to Kimi last year :laugh:

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Finally, Alonso declined to be drawn into a row with his former teammate Kimi Raikkonen, after the Ferrari driver became impatient during the Chinese race.

"Come on, get that McLaren out of the way!" the Finn raged over the radio in Shanghai.
Alonso was quoted afterwards by the Spanish daily Marca: "I don’t say anything, because we are very slow compared to them."

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:sailor: Sorry to burst your bubble ....mate! ;)

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Originally Posted by airshifter

It would seem to me that some clown is whining and crying that some are stating as fact that Hamilton controlled the race and Rosberg whined. I agree that it is ridiculous. If a driver is faster they pass. The driver in front controls the pace they want to run, and has no obligation to move to keep a crying driver behind from getting butt hurt about it.

I think it's comical that you pretend to post without bias, especially in light of your sig line. Anyone not biased against Hamilton will in your view be a fanboi.

Lewis had the better of Nico all weekend long. It's really that easy. If anyone needs a tissue, get over it and quit blaming it on bias. :)

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thanks airshifter. i wasn't even going to bother to respond, and thankfully you summed up my sentiments succinctly.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

1It would seem to me that some clown is whining and crying that some are stating as fact that Hamilton controlled the race and2 Rosberg whined. I agree that it is ridiculous. If a driver is faster they pass. The driver in front controls the pace they want to run, and has no obligation to move to keep a crying driver behind from getting butt hurt about it.

3I think it's comical that you pretend to post without bias, especially in light of your sig line. Anyone not biased against Hamilton will in your view be a fanboi.

Lewis had the better of Nico all weekend long. It's really that easy. If anyone needs a tissue, get over it and quit blaming it on bias. :)

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1 Who are you talking about?

2 What exactly did he say that constitutes "whined"? I've not read any quote that can be regarded as "whining". However, he did state a view opposite to what Hamilton. So what?

3 lol I hope you're not accusing me of bias. Regarding the 2008 season. Does a biased person say this?

http://www.motorsportforums.com/show...=1#post1018161

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Originally Posted by journeyman racer

Personally? I don't think Massa has the quality of Hamilton. So I'm ok with Hamilton claiming the title,

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truefan and TBK do drag down discussions. truefan's first post itt is a classic example.

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Originally Posted by rjbetty

Remember TBK was praising Nico and rating him highly during the 2013 pre-season.

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TBK called Rosberg a "cunt" a few weeks ago. So don't worry about what he said during the 2013 pre-season.

Regarding my sig? It'll prevent me from having rsi. I'll gladly adjust/remove any of it, if it can be disproven.

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Fred, good mood, giving it up for his dawg "Jense" Maybe Fred isn't as self centered and greedy as you would like to believe.....anymore ;) Although I think that if they were fighting at the sharp end (which will happen this season) Zo would have gotten it first. That is if Jenson wasn't whippin' his a$$, which I don't think will happen, but he could punk him as badly as The Boss did, but nothing like the as$-whippin' Fred gave to Kimi last year :laugh:

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If I were going to a team where I had a very bad reputation and the car was an absolute dog with no chance of scoring points, I would gladly "sacrifice" myself. It wasn't going to make much of a difference in the race result and it would improve my status with the team. This is not necessarily Zo being a team player but rather trying to improve his relationship with the team without losing anything of value.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

As for Jenson, he had the better of 6/10ths Fernando all weekend, and only that bonehead move let Alonso get by him.

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That wasn't the impression I got, to me they looked pretty much even. There was, what, 4 thousandths between them in qualifying? I don't read too much into free practice times. McLaren split their strategies but ultimately they ended up in the same place on the track with only a few laps to go. I think there's a strong chance Alonso would have got by anyway with the option tyre and finished ahead of Button. Alonso getting past off the start was the decisive moment of the race between them.

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Originally Posted by journeyman racer

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truefan and TBK do drag down discussions. truefan's first post itt is a classic example.

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this is getting pathetic and sad on your part journeyman
nothing in my comments were inflammatory or reached the kind of depths of vitriol that yours have been poisoning the forum with. go back and read the comment then compare it to your various proceeding posts which are laced with insults, personal attacks and of course, false equivalencies. I responded to your initial general post asking you to go read the rosberg comments first before spewing unwarranted attacks and it took you a whole 4 days to do so, in the meanwhile continuing to lob attacks on fellow poster and at one point claiming " I don't need to read the rosberg comments..."

Nothing i have said has been out of order and in fact has been backed by the vast majority of poster many who were rosberg fans or not even hamilton fans in the first place. but yet you continue down an unproductive path of tripe, while falsely claiming i and others started some sort of fracas. when the entirety of the nonsense has come from you.

This is the last i'll say on the matter and advice you to put me on your ignore list if you seriously have an issue with my posts. While i reserve that action for the most serious offenders in my book, it might be time to do the same.

my apologies in advance to pino for having to uselessly take up room to respond to a belligerent member.