Maybe his daddy-in-law wants to take over Sauber?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Austin
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Maybe his daddy-in-law wants to take over Sauber?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Austin
:bounce::rolleyes:
F1.com bro sucks! :stareup:
Couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mifune
OMG...
Do Sauber have an in-house attorney? They really don't seem to have any kind of strategy for how to deal with this, besides hoping that they would win in court.
Now that they have lost, and exhausted every available appeal (AFAIK) what are their options besides letting GVdG drive? At some point they're going to have to get to grips with that reality. They signed a contract, and every court they have been in front of has told them that is in force. If they decide to ignore the various courts' conclusions, this is going to get *really* ugly in a hurry.
Something has clearly happened behind the scenes for Sauber to risk running 2 cars with no Giedo in one. I suspect money has changed hands
Sauber now back on track, with no indication of what happened (or whether the situation is fully resolved)
Maybe GvdG's father in law is negotiating to buy some share of the team and all of this is just hardball negotiating?
Sauber could be shut down if found guilty to day bailiff at track wait on court case outcome
Right. Unless there's some deal behind the scenes we haven't heard about yet. Usually when there's a big legal fight there are also negotiations going on in parallel behind the scenes. We just only find out when they finally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by CNR
Remains to be seen, but the vdg camp must have something in mind that they want, and it might not be a race seat.
live on one (aust tv) a short time ago
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...-1227261071512
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THE legal drama between race team saga and dumped driver Giedo Van der Garde looks set to be put on hold until after Sunday’s Grand Prix.
Lawyers for both parties are now seeking instructions from their clients after Supreme Court justice Clyde Croft said he intended to hear the matter next week saying he couldn’t wait around all night until Sauber’s legal team were ready.
Lawyers for Sauber told the court they needed more time to prepare their defence against contempt of court action, because the team manager had been busy with practice sessions today.
If the adjournment is granted, justice Croft could order Sauber CEO Monisha Kaltenborn to stay in Australia after Sunday’s race until the conclusion of proceedings.
Van der Garde also wants all of Sauber’s Australian assets seized
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Twice this week the court has ordered Sauber to reinstate van der Garde as a driver for this Sunday’s Australian Grand Prix.
But the team has failed to tell the sport’s Contract Recognition Board that its contract with van der Garde is valid. It means he has been unable to secure a Super Licence to race.
Will Buxton on NBC (US) just said that the court reconves tomorrow, and that meanwhile the lawyers are negotiating.
My guess: this has always been the plan. vdg's lawyers want something, which might be some interest in the team itself. Both sides are just trying to get leverage in their negotiations. Case will settle at the very last minute. Final drivers will be Ericsson and Nasr.
This may very well be the case but I believe that Sauber need to feel quite a significant sting for not upholding their of the contract with VdG. If I were VdG I'd not walk of quietly into the night. If he does he must realize it is the end of his F1 career so he would need reparations for all future earnings lost in my opinion. All the balls are now in his court, literally, with 3 rulings clearly going in his favor. It's also bad publicity for Sauber and if I were on the board, I'd very much be thinking about replacing Monisha. A situation like this for a professional F1 team is unacceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duncan
I am not sure what the hell is going on there. In any case Ericsson and Nasr were running in FP2 for Sauber. Is Sauber going to face some sanctions now?
But I am not going into it too much now, let the lawyers sort it out (again).
Well they have until 11pm tonight to sort things out or it's back to court at 9.30am Saturday. What's the weekend rate for the Supreme Court? Wouldn't like to be paying that. Also can't remember the last Saturday sitting of the Supreme Court. Not done very often as public servants don't usually work weekends.
Believe it or not their team principal is a lawyer!Quote:
Originally Posted by Duncan
Haha, yeah that's the humiliating part of it. I guarantee you this would not have happened if Peter Sauber was team Principal.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyL
Stay classy.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Apparently that's exactly what is going to happen, based on a few local papers.Quote:
Originally Posted by raybak
A farce, what else can be sais. Not doing any favours for either party involved. But also bad for the sport.
I have hard time deciding who to support here. VdG is of course doing a lot of good for future drivers, if he can prove that he had a valid contract that was not honoured because other bring in more money. But all contracts have a clause to make them invalid, with possibly some compensation. Why has he only so late began the legal actions?
I also think that a team should be free to choose who drives for them, for whatever reason. And I don't like the fact that VdG is bullying Sauber just because he doesn't have to care about his future financially
VDG doesn't have a superlicence right now, so I think Sauber can get by without having him for a while. Force Majeure or something like that?
A real dilemna indeed.
No matter how this shakes out, it's still going to be a black eye fro Formula One.Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
I think we all want whatever is right legally and morally, but we also want two Saubers on the grid for the whole season. We also don't want Kaltenborn sitting in prison. After Bernie's legal farce we don't need another embarrassment like that.
Someone is going to get the hose either way.Quote:
I have hard time deciding who to support here.
Even if Sauber and Guido work it out, someone is still going to lose a Formula One drive. After the promising preseason the Sauber drivers had, I can't imagine the disappointment of losing an opportunity like that. They haven't done anything wrong and one of them still might be the hook.
That, and if Sauber can't pay back whomever they cut loose, we could see even more legal action. This is surely an expense Sauber doesn't need as they fight for financial survival.
I think we just have to hope we have two Saubers on the grid for the whole season.
He will not drive for Sauber!
According to the Sydney Morning Herald article below, the hold up on Giedo's superlicense is Sauber themselves not signing the paperwork. If that's true, I wish them the best of luck persuading a court that that gets them out of their contract obligations. Of course, we don't know what the contract actually says, but presumably their attorneys have made the best arguments they have available, and nothing they have said has been persuasive so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjbetty
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorspo...13-14362c.html
It's that's true, it's certainly not a good faith way of doing business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duncan
That's what happen when you hire somebody based on sex and not their achievements. She's going to ruin Sauber's work of life :(
Kaltenborn is a lawyer, right? What did she think was going to happen when she breached a multi million dollar contract?
...and then continue to do whatever they were doing after a judge told them they couldn't do that. Judges are known to provide clarity to your thinking in these situations. If vdG doesn't get to drive this weekend, after the court issued clear instructions on the matter, I wouldn't want to be in Monisha's shoes showing up to court to explain herself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Austin
After reading your post I got the image in my head of Kaltenborn asking herself a question from your sig.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Austin
VDG has stepped down in the interests of F1, and the sport. Wonder what he got offered last night?
Where did you see this?Quote:
Originally Posted by raybak
The latest from Motorsports.com: http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/va...ourt-withdrawn
I find it hard to believe VDG would spend $8 and walk away empty. I gotta believe they paid him to go away.
However, it seems that the possibility of the Dutchman racing for the team at some stage is still very much on the table.
Provided the wheels stay on it long enough to get it out of the pits, that is.
Planet-f1.com doesn't say this:
http://planetf1.com/driver/3213/3673...rags-on-and-on
NEither does the BBC:
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/31846217
and neither does autosport.com:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/118032
I believe the MS.com is the latest of the articles in question. The Autosport link is definitely from earlier today.
I'm assuming that this has only just happened and most websites haven't caught up yet.
Reading vdG's statement I don't think he's agreed to terminate the contract. I think he's just agreed to give up his right to race this weekend so as to avoid destroying the team. He still pretty much owns Sauber.
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorspo...14-143yr6.html
""There are very few cases started, appealed and contempt proceedings resolved within eight days.""
the latest is that some settlement has been reached
Some are saying a hefty golden parachute
while others are reporting (albeit the rumor mill) that Sauber don't have the $8 million +damages to pay and have offered some monetary compensation along with a percentage of the team.
(If fairness were at play it should come from MK's portion)
A full Press conference has been scheduled by Sauber a week from now to clarify.
That is why GVdG had backed off.
Finally, a team is forced to realize that it can't just renege on its contracts.