Yepp, commitment and daring to go on highest gear around 5 corners and over crests. Only a few of top drivers can do that. Though I presume he´d need to have a mentor to finish rounds in a WRC car.
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Yepp, commitment and daring to go on highest gear around 5 corners and over crests. Only a few of top drivers can do that. Though I presume he´d need to have a mentor to finish rounds in a WRC car.
We need Lukyanuk in the WRC, I agree! The most spectacular driver at the moment, and he is fast. And he has also proven that he has good enough pace notes to win on unfamiliar rallies, like in Finland in 2013, where he beat VERY strong competition from amongst others the Group N legend Salo (who drove a Group R). And not only beating them, he demolished them!
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Originally Posted by kolin
Wow! that was great! Hey does anybody know what kind of cars he started with? The absolute first cars?? Maybe before rally even?
Couple years ago he appeared to estonian rally scene driving Opel Astra
Thanks Cali, I did see that. And Astra is a good car, but I was wondering what ANY car he started with. I saw something about old Lada but his casula and continuous sideways style makes me wonder if tthere is a lot of RWD is the background since he seems so comfortable "dancing" with the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Post comunist Lada Samara is FWD. There are even 4WD version for Rallies in Russia I think. But You probably mean the most famous Lada in the Western world - VFTS (or it's not that tuned predecessor 2107/05).Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Anyway some words about Lukyanuk. All his experience looks on similar roads, quite entertaining, but not enough for E/WRC. So I'd like to see him on various surfaces/car classes too. I think he will be fast and spectacular there too, but it's only a suggestion.
I don't know about "the Western World". I only know what I know and top me the most famous Lada is the good old this one, sideways, as Bogu intended!*Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
http://allracingcars.com/gallery/lad...ally-drift.jpg
I knew that for some reason they eventually made a FWD car, pooor Rooskies! No more sideways action any time!
I wondered because we have a very strange dogma in America--so you, where every kid with a keyboard and Colin McRae Rally game is expert driver, and tactician and where as a result we make so many battalions, no divisions of WRC drivers scoring so many points, right:rolleyes: and all the 'ex-spurt' say FWD is best to learn in...
and "all the current WRC drivers all learned in FWD car"..
I say it doesn't matter the drive type if its FWD or RWD, it matters the specification of the car... That a Piece of scheisse FWD OR a piece of scheisse RWD car (no steering, no diff-brems oder LSD, crap gearing (achsubersetzung heisst daas oder wass), no brakes) is mainly a pieces of scheisse and you learn little,
while on the other hand a good FWD or a good RWD are both fine to learn..
That's why I say Astra, OK we know that is excellent car because they worked good for so many drivers in national and World championship events and I know the parts that go in...
I just wondered about Lukyanuk as i said because he dance so good like mainly I see guys with RWD experience in their early days.
* If God did not intended us to drive sideways, then why did he invent RWD and why he invent gravel? And snow!??
I named it because this Lada is most popular now in the "open" world (I think it was something designed for Group B). And rightly so because is the most powerful, and also RWD - yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
I see Your point. FWD isn't something new. I think Mini made break through with such in Monte Carlo (50's - 60's, don't remember exact year). The common impression FWD driver is better probably comes from recent World champions - Loeb, Ogier were S1600 champions, which is essentially FWD as some kitcars beating WRC on regular basis in early 2000's on the asphalt rounds. I honestly can't make such final judgement as I know RWD car is probably more difficult to drive, so when You master it, You can drive anything. Just theory anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Trying to help Lukyanuk as much as I can.
Do anybody of You have som leads to potential sponsors either in Russia or The Baltic states?
What about something like this?
I have raced almost al my life started at 9 years old on go karts and raced bmw porsche s did 24 hours of dubai etc. I have owned bmw's, some fwd and evo s and subaru s. I am 42 now. So you can say i have some experience on RWD and some fwd and awd cars:) I got my rally license at 40 years old. And started do some rally s and did in finland a rally training with subaru sti gr n with instruction from a finnish rally driver.
The problem i have driving a 4wd rally car coming out of a RWD car is that i counter steer way to early if the back steps out. The result is that you get understeer in the 4wd car. You need to wait longer with counters steer you need to rotate the car. If you do that with a RWD you go backwards into the bushes. RWD style is very different to 4wd. I think FWD comes closer to 4wd in style then RWD.
I am more a RWD fan. It s more of a handfull. I was considering which car i want to drive some rally s for maximum fun. So i am building myself almost an exact copy of E30 M3 prodrive rally car. Can t wait to drive the car!
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Originally Posted by AdvEvo
Oh such a shame so few people put where they are from in the profile...and give no hints with their name..
So:
Where are you from? Shall the BMW be for gravel? And what shall not be exact copy of the old Prodrive cars?
First thing that springs to my mind is bigger front struts!
Are you building the motor? the 16V 4 cylinder?
Sorry i am from holland.
The engine will be the 4 cil with 300hp. Car setup is for asphalt. We try to get as close as possible to the prodrive cars. Some parts will be new. Like it gets an electronic dash. Cage is almost the same only i wanted to have a cross next to the door and safety belts go on the cage. Otherwise it s like the original matter cage.
Very much OT!!Quote:
Originally Posted by AdvEvo
No disrespect but can we keep on topic? Lukyanuk ;-)
Well can you get it back to his nice driving and his ability to 'dans' with the car...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
I am wondering where he got his skills, what was his nursery?
his nickname is "Lukas", which would suit the livery even better :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
Anyway, I can't imagine that the big teams haven't considered him already, at least as a test driver or for selected events... And if they did not choose him, it means that it will probably be difficult to make it happen. There is already sufficient proof of his skills...
The bigger problem is that rallying is very much centered around Europe. No market in the US, almost nothing in Asia nor Oceania. In the Middle East, there's a lot of money but I don't think there is a proper rallying scene. So if Russia is not in good terms with the rest of Europe, it's going to be difficult for companies from either side to invest big money where it's already so difficult to measure the returns on investments (rallying).
I see no other solution than a Western European manufacturer showing they have some courage and putting him at least as a test driver on R5 or better. Now that Citroën Racing is running on almost 100% Arab funds, something might happen if they get the hint...
Alexey will get a opportunity to drive Fiesta R5
www.waldviertel-rallye.at/cms/?p=4900
He will have some test before rally
Great news. Is this gravel rally? Any other good drivers in this rally? why he is going to drive this rally? is this possible preparation for wales rally gb? Never heard this rally? is this in hungary? where he got the car and money?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArunasWRT
Why not just google or read the rally website?Quote:
Originally Posted by satukata
The rally is in Austria. The entry list should be published tomorrow, if I understood the German text correctly
Car/money, quite possibly from Ukraine. Why? Different co-driver and the team name 'We Want Peace'.
He isn't on the GB entry list.
True mixed event. Don't know exact percentage but I think most of the stages are mixed. Drivers usually use gravel setup and tyres but not always. Depends on the actual route which I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by satukata
I think that the entry list has not been revealed yet. What is sure is that Austrian multischampion Baumschlager is skipping it. Usually there is a lot of central European drivers from everywhere around. Let's see this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by satukata
I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by satukata
It's one of the most famous Austrian events. In the past it has been run under name Semperit rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by satukata
Austria, near Czech border (at Horn).Quote:
Originally Posted by satukata
Co-driver pays it (it's not his usual one). It's also kind of big gesture while they will be Russian/Ukrainean crew.Quote:
Originally Posted by satukata
Great info Mirek
It´s mixed but mostly gravel, don´t know the exact percentage too.
Other more prominent starters are Krum Donchev, Oleksandr Saliuk, the actual Turkish champion, and the leading guys of Hungarian championship (Kazar, Herczig, etc.), for which this rally counts too.
It´s the last round of the European rally trophy too (San Remo, Madeira, Croatia, etc.)
percentage: friday 8% gravel - 92% tarmac
saturday 72% gravel - 28% tarmac
TopDrivers on Entry List for all 2 days: Donchev/Fiesta R5; Avci/207 s2000; Botka/Evo9; Lukyanuk/FiestaR5; Lategan/Fabia s2000; Kabacinski/Sti08
TopDrivers on Entry List for Saturday (Hungarian Championship): Kazaz/FiestaR5; Herczig/Fabias2000; Olle/Fiesta s2000; Turan/208R5; Tempestini/FiestaR5
http://www.motorline.cc/include/page...-Nennliste.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by WRC1
Great news! Crossing my fingers we will get to see some onboard action!
Fiesta test on tarmac, the car clearly seems a bit too small and too responsive haha :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaVl...ature=youtu.be
Promising though, considering how little time he has had in this car
The design for the car
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It is responsive, but it is also very slippery there.Quote:
Originally Posted by miniwintz
The rally ended with a big mistake, that should have been avoided in the pace notes. But Lukyanuk showed good speed on an unfamiliar surface, and in an unfamiliar car. Would be very good to see him in a R5 for the next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Maybe you´re right. But do they have gravel or tarmac crews? Wasn´t it mud thrown by onther cars on the surface?
And he had a new co-driver, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
Yes, but only for one rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Co-driven
Yes, it was but that's part of the experience from driving similar events. Be sure that those who know such events are able to expect where mud will be and can put that into their pacenotes. I think for Alex it was completely new experience in Austria so it's not really something to blame him for. It's important to take a lesson for next time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
One could analyze ones mistakes the easye way by letting other people, circumstances etc take the blame. But tis way it will only happen again under the same circumtsances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
One could also analyze ones mistakes the hard way, by taking responsibility and analyzing what one could have done differently, to avoid the same mistake again.
Mud being thrown on the road on a tarmac rally held on mixed surfaces in the rain is a rule, not an exeption.
Being aware of the outside of the road when You write pace notes so You know where it is "safe" to go off/push (like Loeb always did), is of utter importance.
Lukyanuk is still inexperienced, and is still extremely fast, and this was a very difficult event to have a one off in a new car/class, but it is still his own mistake. But that is not important. The important part is what he takes away from it, how he digests these new experiences to something that can help him be even faster and safer.
Lukyanuk is a very smart man, and I am sure that he will come away stronger and faster :)
Lukyanuk has never driven proper tarmac rally. One test before this rally, a few ss km in Estonian championship (motly sss city stages and a few more stages in Viru rally) and I belive he has never used tarmac tyres on those rallies as well. So, to go with that speed on first rally is good, however, seems that he needs to slow down a little.. at least for the beginning.
Hard way or easy way could even be same thing this time. I´m sure he´ll take with him the experience and avoiding this kind next time. But there are several more things to learn, which I belive he will if he gets the chance driving R5 in the future. We are many fans wanting to see him up there.
Remember Rally Masters Show tarmac stages in Moscow(?) ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
This I agree with completly, he is my absolute number 1 favorite driver outside the WRC at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Onboard Waldviertel rallye Super Special Stage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9TQZgIq9wM