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Sorry , we know you won , but you weren't loud enough , so you're disqualified .
Ha! I did comment to the wife that maybe Vettel will blame his early qually exit either on the fuel flow sensor or the engine being too quiet!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Not a big fan of Vettel, but I must say that from outward appearances he is handling the major issues with the PU without an abundance of whining....lately.
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Originally Posted by Robinho
I'm more than happy with the new engine notes. I like being able to hear the tires and the wear planks bottoming on occasion. It's nothing like the ear bleeding note that the V8 cars made, but to go to lengths to try to change the exhaust sound is rather crazy IMO. If it's about tech and promoting tech as F1 has always done, then it's an example that big power doesn't have to be made with big decibels.
I'm sure that live the cars are far from quiet, but I don't think people really have a proper perspective of just how crazy loud the V8 cars were.
The engines don't sound that great, but the racing has been so fierce that it doesn't matter to me. these engines are the sound of the future so we'de better get used to them. Whether we like it or not, the sport is bent on a "green" footprint, and eliminating the noise pollution (regardless of how much we love that kind of pollution) is simply going be part of the plan.
It's the only way that such a gleefully wasteful sport can survive in today's insane political environment.
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Originally Posted by SGWilko
Sgt Bilko- Yes of course F1 does need to road relevant... but if you actually bothered to read my original reply to Phillip Bain before trying to make me look a Bearded tit you will see that I was only suggesting that there needs to be a better balance because a large fan base IS extremely important, something so obvious that it should go without saying.
Almost everyone I know with even the remotest interest in F1 has commented on how dull they sound this year, you can't afford to ignore that.
F1 is not the best test bed/proving ground for the development and evolution of new innovative green technologies with its extremely tight, fixed regulations. F1 just needs to show that it is doing something towards being environmentally friendly without going OTT on the green side to the extent that the 'show' is adversely affected.
Me? Yeah, being a TV race watcher I much preferred the howl of the V8's but wow!... what great wheel to wheel racing we enjoyed last weekend and unless Mercedes decide to put a stop to it, we could be in for a real treat this year.
It does make me wonder exactly where they will go with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
F1 has evolved over the years but the ear destroying sound has always been the constant.
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Originally Posted by rjbetty
I know what you're saying but I don't see the DRS as any sort of brilliance. For me, we are in the bad old days.
With the new engines and difficult rear ends of today's cars, selective TC on specific corners could achieve the same as the DRS but in a different form.
Rather than passes at the end of a straight that are not able to be defended, TC at select corners could see a whole slew of new elements introduced to the races.
Different lines for following cars to avoid rear ending the car in front for one.
When the beneficial effect of TC becomes equalised then we may see wheel to wheel races down the straight finishing at the end. Straight line speed becomes more important.
As long as there is the DRS then I don't believe any option can be seen as unsuitable.
Bearded tit? I had you more as a Dartford Warbler. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
PS - I wasn't aiming my post entirely at you - and it wasn't intended to be personal. Just that I think in the current climate, road relevance over waste and excess is much more important that guaranteeing dentists income by having your fillings knocked out by the noise! :)
As has been already mentioned, unless attending a live event (which is a fraction of the global audience), the sounds of the sport are only as good the microphone pickups at the track, along with the quality of the viewer’s home audio equipment.
As someone who has not attended a live event in years, the sound of today’s cars makes little impact on my interest (or disinterest to be precise) in viewing a televised race :mark: .
While that's possible, I believe that I do understand that the FIA fuel flow regulations have limited engines DESIGNED to exceed 15K rpms down to 10K rpms. Think about that for a second. The engines are maxing out at 67% of the rpm limit that they were DESIGNED for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfa Fan
Exactly. While I can still greatly enjoy the racing (and I am), it's rather obvious to me that it was a waste of engineering resources to design engines capable of running (reliably) at a 15k rpm limit (not a redline), and then throttle them back to 10k rpms because of a fuel flow limit. F1 is about designing components that can perform at an optimal level before they break. These aren't passenger car engines. Why waste money designing something that's only going to be allowed to operate at 67% of its (supposedly) mandated limit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
The engines are substantially less powerful than the previous 2.4 V8s. I've seen estimates that ranged from 550-600 for the 1.5 turbos vs. 750 +/- for the V8s. The total output from the power-unit is in the same ball park, depending on which manufacturer is being looked at.Quote:
Originally Posted by driveace
The cars are already almost as quick as last years V8's and that's even with less aero.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
I share your feelings on the optimum revs used but personally I have no problem with the power figures. They may not have the same amount of bhp but they do have substantially more torque on the whole which takes them up to about the same performance level. It also makes them a harder to drive which puts more emphasis on driver skill... a really positive thing in my book.
I dont agree with Traction Control .Lets see who can drive the cars well dry or wet without all the Gizmo,s
As Zico says the cars are more or less as fast,and lap times are only slightly less than with last years V8s,even with less aero and smaller wings .
Next year with development continuing the lap times may even be lower than with the old engines