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WSJ reports 4 hours: http://online.wsj.com/news/article_emai ... MzExNDMyWjQuote:
Originally Posted by Starter
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bioz_2wCIAEFLVm.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/missi ... cle-2014-3
This is one of those occasions where I wish that I hadn't said what I did because I might be right. If there was a guidance system fault and it flew on for hours in a radio "black spot" then that explains the complete disappearance perfectly and that's a worry.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that commercial planes have a locator beacon that activates if the plane crashes, they usually last for up to a month sending out a 'ping'. Why has nobody heard anything. From what I know, it indicates that it is under water and the transimiision cant be picked up, unless a receiver is basically directly over it, but I would have though someone some where would have heard something.
Yes they have Emergency Locator transmitter but it only works if the aircraft crashes on land.Quote:
Originally Posted by anfield5
If the airplane crashes in water the transmitter might not be able to send out information.
Since the antenna would be below water and radio or satellite signal does not work under water.
Perhaps you are confuse it an underwater locator beacon used the the flight data recorder?
an ULB uses audio pings when they are underwater.
There are also most likely smaller hand-held devices like EPIRBs on board the aircraft,
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missin ... ing-n49216
It's looking more and more like:
A) There was some sort of decompression in the cabin which incapacitated the pilot and copilot and the plane flew on until it ran out of fuel.
B) Human intervention, terrorist or otherwise.
So it could be in Perth, can anyone in Perth check if there's an aircraft there pls?
or even in Tibet?
The pilot decides how much fuel he wants to take on .And they took on far more fuel than was needed for that journey too, I am told you only usually only take on extra fuel ,if you are tankering cheaper fuel from your departure airport to an airport where fuel is a lot more expensive.So was this detour planned from the start by the pilots ?
And the last pilot they spoke to on the last communication was the younger First Officer,SO if it was flown to another country,was the older pilot attacked by the FO ,who then took over the command of the plane ?
All speculation,but is this plane really ever going to be located ?
I do not think it was blown out of the sky !
driveace, no on the contrary the investigators specifically said that they didn't have more fuel the normal
which means that they had around 140-145''000KG fuel on board which would give them a total range of
about 2600nm-3000nm or around 7 hours from where there radio comm was lost.
However, it is a very likely guess that the plane did not explode or suffer any sudden catastrophic failure
because then it wouldn't have kept flying for 7 hours.
Current search area is 2.24 million square nautical miles. Needle. Haystack.
Thoughts are with the friends and family of the missing, who simply cannot get closure until they find the plane, but sadly, I've got a strong feeling they won't find it for a very, very long time.
I had a couple come in to my store yesterday , telling me they had heard that there were twenty employees of an energy company on the flight .
Can anyone out there confirm this ?
This is true. They were part of a Texan based firm Freescale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.z...348&highlight=
That's not quite accurate. It's possible there was a sudden decompression of the cabin which would have quickly disabled the pilots. The plane would have kept on under autopilot until it ran out of fuel. That is a much lesser possibility though because why would the radio signals have gone silent? Can't be totally ruled out until the truth is known though.Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
Ah , ok , a semiconductor company then .Quote:
Originally Posted by minardi
Right off the start , I have to say that this isn't my theory , just to avoid any confusion about that .
According to these two , this company has applied for patents regarding a new way to pull energy from the earth's magnetic field .
The announcement of which was imminent .
They said they were not surprised that the plane went missing , as they had been reading about the research long before it actually disappeared .
Mind you , they also let on that they believed some of the extra-terrestrial theories , too , so , who knows "
A friend just pointed me in the direction of this article. A rather plausible theory.
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03...ectrical-fire/
It makes more sense than anything else.
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Originally Posted by minardi
I disagree for several reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
First because it would be too much of a coincident that it would happen exactly where
they were handed off from Malaysia Control to Ho Chi MInh City control.
The aircraft continued to fly and send SATCOM pings to the satellite for about 7 hours from
where they disappeared. Imo a fire so intense/large that it knocks out the pilots
so quickly would have destroyed the aircraft in less then 7 hours.
The aircraft made atlest two turns (most likely more) after the first turn at waypoint IGARI.
http://i.imgur.com/yP9Jjz8.png
First they turned at VAMPI/GAVLI (at either of them) then they have had to make another turn
at IGREX to get themselves to somewhere of the two arcs/corridors.
http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.file?i ... Uv90O.jpeg
http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.file?i ... hYixr.jpeg
https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/brunosan. ... .07/106.35
If the pilots were incapacitated so quickly who made/programmed these turns?
Also a plane on fire would surely have been noticed by the vast amount of cargo ships in the area?
Add to that , that the first transponder was turned off as soon as they started out over the water , and the second , about two minutes after the sign off , but not before recording the jet starting to turn to the west at the waypoint .
After it started to deviate from the flight plan , it headed west along a somewhat haphazard track , but generally west .
Then , it went , according to reports , either almost directly north or south .
That's the part that doesn't fit , unless the idea to get far enough west before making the turn , which seems to only fit with going north , from a self preservation point of view , given the alternative means running out of fuel somewhere south of the african continent , where it would be dreadfully hard to find you .
If it was a conscious decision , and given , as BleAviano said , someone had to have programmed those turns , there certainly seems to more going on here than just a cockpit fire .
At today's press conference it was revealed that rather then loading a the standard company route used for MH flights between KUL and PEK,
the one who programmed the route in the FMC, only entered a few waypoints up to the IGARI waypoint and after IAGRI there were no waypoints added.
This is definitely intentional and definitely not normal which means that an accident is less likely at this moment.
Nevermind this, it was a missudnerstanding from my side.Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
Australia has now announced that it has found some debris on satellite images some 1,200km south west of Perth. This would correspond to where the aircraft could have run out of fuel. Aircraft and ships are en-route to investigate.
From what Aussie search and rescue have said, their experts are confident that the sightings are genuine, so much so that all of their search efforts are now concentrated on that 1 area (too me the photos could be of anything, but I am absolutely not an expert). I truly hope this proves to be the plane and the families of those on board can at least have an answer, it must be terrible for them having nothing to hold on to.
http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images..._object_E1.jpg
Well hopefully this is the wreckage. But don't count on it. If they piggybacked that plane to avoid radar - this will be a big wakeup call for all the sleeping mopes
My niece is a commercial airline pilot. She is furious that the type of information being relayed to us (general public)is so sketchy.
First of all, she says there are very few people who would know how to disengage the transponder or any location detection equipment outside of course the pilot and co-pilot.
Secondly, this sudden dive and loss of altitude is strange and loss of contact at a specific point is strange. Where was the plane going?Down, or farther on? No debris? Unlikely that a plane that size with that many people could disappear without luggage, fragments of aircraft and oil slick. Recall KA007? Shot down and even though the initial hit as reported by the Russian pilot mentioned that the plane was in fact intact as it went down save for smoke from the rocket strike.
We are being told that it is likely in a place where it will never be found .
That much I can believe .
"MH370 Families Reportedly Kicked Out Of Hotel For Ferrari"
http://jalopnik.com/mh370-families-r...rra-1549390817
so what - ferrari has reservations - there are many hotels in kualaQuote:
Originally Posted by zako85
It seems that they have found something.
The relatives are about to be informed by the Malaysian PM who will held a press conference afterwards.
I would think that they have enough evidence now, to know that the plane have crashed somewhere near the current search area in the souther Indian Ocean.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...s-live-updates
According to the Independet, the SAR units could be just few hours from finding the wreckage.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a-9211655.html
*edit, a brief statement by Malaysian PM, said that they now know that the plane ended it's flight at the end of the
southern corridor and that there is no hope of survivors. This is based on new satellite data calculations.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...b04c696d948a3aQuote:
Najib said: “With deep sadness and regret, according to this new data, we must conclude flight MH370 ended in the Southern Indian Ocean."
UK experts told the Malaysia PM that satellite signals have shed more light on MH370 flight path.
They concluded that MH370 flew along the southern corridor and that its last location was in the South Indian Ocean, Najib Razak said.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...b06d6b8ecbf3e3
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...b06d6b8ecbf3e5
Full statement here: https://www.facebook.com/najibrazak/...?stream_ref=10
What with the increasing debris sightings this now looks like the likely outcome.
I can understand some families not wanting to believe it until physical evidence is found though.
Now let's hope they find the black boxes and then the investigation can begin...
The TEXT MESSAGE sent to the families of the people on board. I'm astounded... a text message to tell the families the news they were so desperately hoping they wouldn't hear is just inexcusable and unacceptable :mad:Quote:
"Malaysia Airlines deeply regrets that we have to assume beyond any reasonable doubt that MH370 has been lost and that none of those on board survived... we must now accept all evidence suggests the plane went down in the Southern Indian Ocean."
I am still waiting for one piece of material evidence. Then I can sign on. I would not even be comfortable with just plane parts. Give me a suitcase or a bodyQuote:
Originally Posted by minardi
For me strangest thing is that no debris has been found. If they are so sure where abouts it crashed, how come not a piece has bee found? There are so many ships and aircraft around that soumethung ahould have been found IMHO
Not that strange Imo, it's is a large search area and possible debris would have sunk several weeks ago (a couple of days after the crash).Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
Possible luggage and cushions could still be afloat but then it depends on winds, waves and ocean currents where
they are now in the case that it would still be afloat.
I smell bullsh!t - but i will wait until they get done with the rest of the sub area. To sink that plane intact would have required a spot on landing in calm seas. The last time I checked foam insulation floats.Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
I am not convinced it is in the sea .I will take some convincing that it has not landed somewhere ,and the passengers have been starved of oxygen to keep them quiet,and it's somewhere in the Taliban part of Pakistan .There has been NO oilslicks and not one scrap of flotsam .How could the pilots have dropped that plane onto the ocean floor with no debris ?
The question I have is: Why would the pilots have gone in that direction? If suicide or terrorism were the treason, why not just straight down or into some significant object? If something incapacitated the pilots, why the change/s of direction? Too many unanswered questions. Too much garbage fed to the media.Quote:
Originally Posted by driveace
There has been so many ships and airplanes on search that some floating debris should have been seen somewhere. Larger bits have probably sunk, but not everything sinks. There is so much garbage floating in all seas, that some from the plane should have been found if it is where they say it went down.
I don't have any theories on where it might be, but something very strange happened, that is for sure
They should have found something by now .
I'm a little surprised that whomever has the plane , buried in the sand , hasn't tossed a few floatation cushions out there to be found .
Although , the mystery of it all does put pressure on the world's governments to share information , and it's seeming more likely , in my opinion , that that is perhaps what this is all about .
It has not landed anywhere. A large plane like the Boeing 777 requires a long paved runway and I’m sure satellite images of potential landing spots have already been reviewed. A large plane like that is very difficult to conceal.Quote:
Originally Posted by driveace
The plane crashed into the sea. It broke apart on impact with most of it, especially the heavy parts, sinking in pieces and scattering all over the sea floor.
What little that hasn’t sunk has stayed afloat, again in pieces, and with wind and current scattered over thousands of square miles of ocean. In a few weeks time we’ll start to find bits and pieces (potentially even decomposed bodies, at least those that haven’t been devoured by sharks) washing upon shores all over the Indian Ocean.
I agree with your post in general although the bolded part depends on winds and currents (image taken from here).Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
In a worst case scenario any possible floating debris will be stuck in an endless loop of currents.
http://i.imgur.com/PFQTUaa.png
As for the bodies, if they do re-surface after some time, they will eventually re-sink when the gases inside have been released.
Also at the depths we're talking about here (several thousand meters), the water pressure is enormous.
At 4000m the pressure force is about 411.033 kg per square centimetres, which is about 5845Psi.
Then consider that the human body surface (of a 175cm long and 70kg heavy person) is around 1.85m2 and one m2 is 10000cm2.
This you can get a grasp of the enormous pressure that a human body is exposed to at 4000m depth.
This means that bodies will implode at such depths and I think it is unlikely that they will re-surface from such depths.