It's a really bad start for the winter here in Sweden!! :/ But we hope for much snow now in Januari!
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It's a really bad start for the winter here in Sweden!! :/ But we hope for much snow now in Januari!
Yes, but you need sub-Zero temprature a week or so before the snow!
every year the same stupid story... mentally handicapped people worrying about no snow and no ice months before the rally starts.... you guys failed physics in school or something ??? it only takes a week of so for snow and ice to form a nice layer on the stages...so please start worrying when the events gets closer.
:D
:D , Yes you need to worry if someone says there will be snow on Rally Mexico. Then teams must prepare snow tires :D .
No they don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
The only worrying is that the low pressure areas keep coming from same direction going their way north of mid-sweden. Historically they can keep doing that for weeks and have already done that since 5-6 weeks. This winter reminds me of the ones in early 90´s, which I believe one year RS had to cancel from no winter.
But like N.O.T. says, one week with right circumstances weatherly, it wouldn´t be a problem. Though that has to happen at least two weeks before the rally goes on...
Do not worry guys, proper snow arrives to Rally Sweden stages on the second week of January
You're right of course as usual, I just remembered one year here we had snow in May and nobody on Rally Sliven was prepared for it with snow tyres except just 1 crew :D So he didn't run the stages, there wasn't point :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Anybody knows where is the jump at the start of this video? :confused:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx9z6UucPFU
I admit the world is changing, both the winters and the experts on it!Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
When we were with the kids in Austria a few years ago and they went ski shools, the instructors were all...... Brits and Danes!!! The typical ski instructor for you!!!!
And here we see a brit/ or greek person trying to learn the world on both winter and physics, and that is as it should be....
But just a few small examples to explain my point.
There will be many snowrallies in the Nordic countries that will be cancelled in the weeks to come. Why; slush conditions, and the club arranging it can not afford the repair of the smashed gravel roads. Rally Sweden is probably insured for that kind of slush-rally.
When I lived up north and drove snowmobiles and the snow came before the sub zero periode, we would be very wet and cold when crossing streams, rivers and lakes. Why, the snow acts like insulation towards the ground. It stops the water from freezing over for a long time.
We even used snow to showel it on the lower parts of the house, to make it warmer inside... A lot of air in dry snow.
So, for Rally Sweden that has jumped the saga of driving each stage two times, there is a huge difference of having 50-100 cm depth of hard-frozen ground under the snow/ice or just mud-slush. The first 3 cars will eat through the ice sole and down into the mud. Being number 77 on first run, or number 1 on run number 2 will be a challenge, especially in a 2wd car!
That is why it is important to have frost periode first, to avoid the mudhell it soon will become.
That physics lesson might seem strange, but is based on 50 seasons of more or less good winter. Some of these winter have been spent on learning UKs finest soldiers how to survive in winter conditions. Some times scaring them and the US Marines with scary stories of the exremely dangerous SnowSnake crwling the Norwegian snow banks during night night..... :D :D
So lets hope for a few cold weeks soon!
blah blah blah and more pointless blah blah each and every year... just like the 4 year olds like to hear the same story before going to bed.
N.O.T. - you should listen to Sulland whhat he tries to say:
Like the innuites have over 20 different words for snow of different kinds, there are maybe 20 ways of having the surface of a gravel winter road. Some of them are not good, as Sulland says. Even there is one meter snowbanks beside the roads.
Best way is frosty weather for a period then snow that will be packed by wheels from many vehicels. Then a period of temperature above zero, so that the packed snow can transform to ice, with following zerodegrees.
Now you have the surface saved and also preservable for warm weather for a couple of days (depending on humidity in the air).
After that just wait for more snow and the snowbanks will appear...
At the moment, no matter what, none of the above has appeared, six weeks before RS.
They dont get much cuter than this do they, I have missed you NOT!Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
We hope to be returning to Sweden again, pray for snow!
It's at spectator point 4 at Fredriksberg just walk 300m to the right if you are coming down from the north, didn't try the road coming from the south. Just before what looks like a 90 degree left on the map. It specified if it's road parking or parking spaces in the magazine this year btwQuote:
Originally Posted by Simorally86
The warm weather is expected to continue according to this article.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article18084601.ab
However long term forecasts usually aren't that reliable.
Snow depth map:
http://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sverige/snodjup
Thank you very much!Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
On the website of the rally i can see only the overall map....to see the single stage map, have i to buy the Rally Magazine?
Because i drawn all the stages on Google maps, but i can't see spectator points, parking etc......
If I remember it correctly some stage info will be published on the website as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Simorally86
but the info is not as detailed as the info in the rally magazine.
The jump is where you have two squares (houses) in the middle of the picture, lake on the other side of the road. Or just at the road coming from the south.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simorally86
http://www.raceinfo.no/temp/tn_Skjer...2016.29.22.jpg
NOT, are you a fucking retard or something??
Are you following the wether here in sweden every day, year after year?
You cant be so old with this stupid comments. We have no snow at all in the middle of sweden. Its a temp over +5 degrees and rain and it will be like this for at least to the middle of januari!!
It needs to be wet and then cold for a long time with much snow to have good snow roads, if not, after 5 wrc cars, its all gravel...
This is like early 90's when Rally Sweden was driven on gravel...
I hope it turns but it not looks like that.
So you can crawl back to the stone you came from, stupid fuck.
so much anger over the weather... LOL.
The weatherman has spoken. Now shushQuote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Fredrik Gustavsson ?
In Råda where @RallySweden shakedown is run, it has finally started to snow a bit tonight. Continue and stay please!
the weather forecast for Hagfors the nearest week and half:
Friday-Saturday this week, +3-5 C and some rain.
Sunday 0- + 2C no rain.
Maybe some snow on Monday evening.
Tuesday-Wednesday +5 - +6 C and partially rainy,
Thursday around 0 degrees and no rain/snow
Friday +3 C and snow in the AM with mixed snow/rain in the PM and +1 C
Saturday cold (-7 C) during the Am but +3 C and snow in the PM
Sunday around 0 degrees and no snow/rain.
Why VW were testing on snow? Are they stupid?
I believe Rally Sweden will be run on snow or it won't be run at all this year. Enough motivation for VW to test on snow.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
What will happend if the stages would be 100% gravel and no ice or snow?
I have never seen that. Will they cancelled the rally or will they drive as a gravel rally??
If they cant move the stages further north??
The stages could be 100% frozen gravel. No problem with that, except from tyres... It has happened before, for example I remember 1988 practically no snow and only frozen gravel on most of the stages south of Hagfors...
The moving of the stages further north is impossible now... Only a month to the start, impossible to do such big changes (roadbooks, safety plans, all legal permits, etc.etc. would have to be changed).Quote:
Originally Posted by Astro83
If there is no snow or ice, situation is really difficult. I think in that situation the question that will the rally be driven or not is based on calculations which will cost them more: cancelling the entire event or fixing the completely destroyed roads... This ofcourse doesn't take account what teams, tyre suppliers, etc. would do under difficult conditions.
Frozen gravelroads are of course challenging, but if they are really frozen down to, say, 20-30 cm the chance of having "icy" gravel surface is big. And less hard for the tyres. But again tyres will suffer a lot anyway.
Pontus Tidemand have secured a seat at M-sport for Rally Sweden.
Craig Breen is on the entry list driving a Fiesta RS WRC.
and with WRC specQuote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
Possibly his father's car, they rent it out under the Keltech Motorsport name. Interesting that Peugeot let him do thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
Does it mean PT will have almost same specs as the "factory cars"? Remembering PG last year and also other drivers renting cars with kind of low-performance mood compared to factory drivers...Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Edit: PT says in swedish TV that he´ll get a Fiesta with latest specs... :bounce:
Craig Breen will be codriven by Scott Martin.
Well, he didn't do so bad last year with privately owned Fiesta WRC... On every SS (except first SSS) lost clearly under a sec per kilometre, on three stages even under 0,5 sec/km to the fastest driver. Shame that the engine blew in Sågen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
judging by the latest forecasts the warm weather will continue for another couple of days until
its gets colder for the weekend. Possible some 10cm of snow in total on Friday and Monday.
after the weekend it might get a bit warmer again but the forecasts for so many days ahead is usually quite unreliable.
The evolution of rallying - "Weather is not an obstacle" http://imageshack.us/a/img585/3001/nxi.gif
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/5848/4ts5.jpg
WRC entries so far:
VW: Ogier, Latvala, Mikkelsen
Citroen: Östberg, Meeke, Al Qassimi
Ford: Hirvonen, Evans, Kubica, Tänak, Prokop, Tidemand, Breen, H. Solberg, Solowow
Hyundai: Neuville, Hänninen