You should compare time differences not positions, their pace is about the same compared to winners in 2005-2007. Seems that now there just is more drivers between winner and these guys than before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helstar
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You should compare time differences not positions, their pace is about the same compared to winners in 2005-2007. Seems that now there just is more drivers between winner and these guys than before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helstar
If I remember right, janne didn't actually complain about the car. he said it was tricky to drive and what made it a bit emberrasing was that it was tricky to drive for him. I don't remember Toni ever complained about Xsara ? Remind me please.
Maybe there was too little snow for janne?Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
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Originally Posted by Tomi
Janne said that he had to push the car to high rpms and it made it tricky. I don't believe him. I think there was too little snow in Jyväskylä last august :D
In some interview Toni was asked to compare 307 and Xsara. He told that 307 wasn't so easy to drive than Xsara, but when he got used to 307, it felt better than Xsara.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Ok, cheers Zes. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zes
But that's hardly a complain.
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Originally Posted by COD
After what they showed last year(at least Gigi and Manfred), saying they have become suddenly "crap" is...erm... :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Helstar
Me thinks Manfred Stohl and sponsor OMV have simply been "trapped" by the fact that the Kronos Citroën succeed in giving the driver title to Loeb last year !!! :mark:
But what shoud have opened the eyes of Manfred is that no other drivers than Seb could really do the best with the Xsara !!! Hismself, Stohl, was faster than any other drivers driving the Xsara last year(Pons, Sordo, even Gardemeister,...) :rolleyes:
Manfred himself told in an Intervie with motorline that the problem is that his xsara (and also the ones of gigi and daniel) has nothing to do with the xsara loeb used last year, they had all the parts (suspension, gearbox, brakes,..)of this years C4 in Loebs car already last year..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
he, and also Kronos dont know why Citroen want let them use this parts.
but he also said that he is sure that the decision to go back to Kronos for 2007 was absolutly right, because the works teams are so much faster and they spend so much more money in development than last year, that with the peugeot he would be even more behind the top times than now with the xsara...
regards
wrc1
Really, I thought some of these parts needs to be homogolated before those can be used...Quote:
Originally Posted by WRC1
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Originally Posted by WRC1
Wow !!! He really said that about the car that therefore allowed him to end on many podiums last year ???? :eek:
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part1 of the interview
http://www.motorline.cc/rallye/index...article=137906
part2
http://www.motorline.cc/rallye/index...article=137937
part3
http://www.motorline.cc/rallye/index...article=137906
@Don Jippo: yes i thought the same, but he really said this here:
"Das glaube ich auch nicht, dass diese Angst besteht. Es ist nicht leicht zu erklären. Fakt ist, dass die Teile, die heute im C4 verbaut sind, auch schon im letztjährigen Xsara eingebaut waren."
fact is that the parts wich are today in the c4 where in last years xsara...
@ Tom: he said in part 2 of the interview that he loved the whale, for 2006 this was the best combination, but there was no chance of improving or/and developing at peugeot and the competition is much harder than last year, so he thinks that with citroen there is a better chance of improvement and development...
regards
wrc1
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Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
Agreed. Last year he was praising 307 the best car he has ever driven.
The problem is that last year Stohl was in the best 307 in the field. This year he's in a previous-generation car, a car that he's said he had problems getting comfortable with, that's far below works standard. This year he has to keep the Citroen factory happy by not beating them; last year he was the best Peugeot out there and no one was attempting to reign in his performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRC1
If it's true that the whale has no more developpment, it should be the same for the Xsara anyway, no ??? :s
I had told once already. :D What you see is not always what it is..........
So Citroën was played a false game in 2006.............?!?
I have not been surprised about this.
Most here believe really that big teams or factories are no impostors!
Belief me! Business is always to deceive for the money.....or for the honour of the name!!!
Is Loeb really a super driver without Citroën and Michelin????????
The future will say it. I think as Citroën disappear in the WRC Loeb also will disappear and move to the Le Mans series. :s mokin:
in rallying you dont develop the whole car as such, but parts of it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
for sure there will be no development of the aerodynamic parts of the xsara or the bodyshell itself, but all the technic parts (gearbox, engine, clutch, brakes, suspension, steering...) fits from C4 to xsara and the other way round, so if there is a developend in this parts, and i am sure there is one, AND the poeple at Citroen sport are willing, than these parts can be used also in the kronos cars...
sorry for my english, but i hope you get what i wanted to say ;)
regards
wrc1