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Re: Kimi to Ferrari confirmed
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Originally Posted by Mia 01
Kimi in the team is a sign to a certain driver as a couple of pundits (and me) belive. The one man show is now over, it´s not his team anymoore. Accept it or move on is the deal.
We will see, interesting times ahead.
That sounds like a load of petty BS to me. What it obviously does mean is Ferrari want the WCC, and are willing to pay Ice a ton of money for his consistancy to get it whether or not Zo is overjoyed with the choice of teammates. It really is as simple as that. There always will be journalistic hacks that want to put a spin on it, which is incredibly lame IMO.
Of course it is implied by any employer that if you don't like your coworkers you always know where the door is.
So what?
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[quote=Mr Alca-Tazizzle]
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Originally Posted by "Mia 01":2lw306zg
Kimi in the team is a sign to a certain driver as a couple of pundits (and me) belive. The one man show is now over, it´s not his team anymoore. Accept it or move on is the deal.
We will see, interesting times ahead.
That sounds like a load of petty BS to me. What it obviously does mean is Ferrari want the WCC, and are willing to pay Ice a ton of money for his consistancy to get it whether or not Zo is overjoyed with the choice of teammates. It really is as simple as that. There always will be journalistic hacks that want to put a spin on it, which is incredibly lame IMO.
Of course it is implied by any employer that if you don't like your coworkers you always know where the door is.
So what?[/quote:2lw306zg]
Indeed. Ferrari love Alonso's go for it 110% all the time attitude. I don't think they would push him out the door to accommodate Kimi in any way, shape or form. If there does happen to be a major dispute next year between the drivers and one has to go, for me, it would Kimi out the door again.
Alonso is once again showing how good he is. He's second in the DC in not the second best car (that would be Webber and maybe the Mercs as well ahead overall) and is always pushing in the top 3 of the DC no matter what cr@p he is given to drive. He's a class act, his record is a reflection of this. The one thing that he just can't do anything about, is a young German genius in a very very fast and reliable car that is a combination that no one has been able to match for 80% of the last 4 years.
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Right on triple 5 :up:
I think Webbers (someone that actually knows Fred quite well) comments address the situation with much insight. He is on his way out so he doesn't have to mince his words:
Quote:
"The positives for me are that Fernando needs to be pushed more on Saturday afternoons; which he will live for.
"Kimi will lift him and help him to get a bit more out of himself on Saturday afternoons. On Sundays there is no question, we know Fernando is a brilliant racer, but on Saturdays Kimi will lift him to another level.
"Fernando will also see it as an opportunity to do well against Kimi. He will back himself in this situation."
What Raikkonen has to do to succeed at Ferrari
Webber does think, however, that Ferrari will need to ensure that Raikkonen does his fair share of work at the factory, so Alonso does not feel hard done by.
"The team will have to be careful on the technical front," explained the Australian. "Kimi we know is a phenomenal guy, but it will be interesting to see if Fernando feels it will be even in terms of the work rate going on.
"It is a big, big technical challenge next year. Both drivers have to put a lot into that and I don't think Fernando will be too happy if it is all one sided."
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Re: Kimi to Ferrari confirmed
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Originally Posted by Mr Alca-Tazizzle
Right on triple 5 :up:
I think Webbers (someone that actually knows Fred quite well) comments address the situation with much insight. He is on his way out so he doesn't have to mince his words:
Quote:
"The positives for me are that Fernando needs to be pushed more on Saturday afternoons; which he will live for.
"Kimi will lift him and help him to get a bit more out of himself on Saturday afternoons. On Sundays there is no question, we know Fernando is a brilliant racer, but on Saturdays Kimi will lift him to another level.
"Fernando will also see it as an opportunity to do well against Kimi. He will back himself in this situation."
What Raikkonen has to do to succeed at Ferrari
Webber does think, however, that Ferrari will need to ensure that Raikkonen does his fair share of work at the factory, so Alonso does not feel hard done by.
"The team will have to be careful on the technical front," explained the Australian. "Kimi we know is a phenomenal guy, but it will be interesting to see if Fernando feels it will be even in terms of the work rate going on.
"It is a big, big technical challenge next year. Both drivers have to put a lot into that and I don't think Fernando will be too happy if it is all one sided."
Yeah Alonso is a hard worker behind the scenes much like The Shoe was which is why I think Ferrari also rate him so much along with his driving skills. Kimi was notoriously lazy during his time at Ferrari (he just wanted to jump in the car 5 minutes before the race and then go home afterwards). Next year will be interesting for sure.
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Mark webber is not Kimis best buddy, sort of, since a long time.
Kimi Lazy, that´s a good yoke!!
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Re: Kimi to Ferrari confirmed
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Originally Posted by Mia 01
Kimi Lazy, that´s a good yoke!!
In an interview I saw with Kimi, he said the following and I quote directly word for word:
Q: Kimi, how is the cooperation in the Team. Do you get along with everyone?
KR: Yeah it´s fine. But they have a much harder time with me than I with anyone else.
Q: What do you mean?
KR: I am a bit lazy sometimes.
From the horses mouth. Nuff said Mia 01.
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[quote=555-04Q2]
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Originally Posted by "Mia 01":2i15dtmu
Kimi Lazy, that´s a good yoke!!
In an interview I saw with Kimi, he said the following and I quote directly word for word:
Q: Kimi, how is the cooperation in the Team. Do you get along with everyone?
KR: Yeah it´s fine. But they have a much harder time with me than I with anyone else.
Q: What do you mean?
KR: I am a bit lazy sometimes.
From the horses mouth. Nuff said Mia 01.[/quote:2i15dtmu]
Oh sssssssssnap :laugh:
But really, I don't know anyone that dislikes Kimi. In almost all of your recent posts you try to turn it into "us against them ." Why do you have to be such an antagonist? Why don't you just groove on how well Kimi has done since he came back to F1 instead of constantly seeking some vindication for the circumstances in which he left? Saying that someone else is less deserving doesn't make Ice any more deserving; let the results speak for themselves. If Kimi punks Fred so be it. If he doesn't because Ferrari doesn’t really give him the opportunity to, it is probably better to address it when it happens. I must say you're being a bit of a downer :dozey:
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Originally Posted by Mr Alca-Tazizzle
Oh sssssssssnap :laugh:
But really, I don't know anyone that dislikes Kimi. In almost all of your recent posts you try to turn it into "us against them ." Why do you have to be such an antagonist? Why don't you just groove on how well Kimi has done since he came back to F1 instead of constantly seeking some vindication for the circumstances in which he left? Saying that someone else is less deserving doesn't make Ice any more deserving; let the results speak for themselves. If Kimi punks Fred so be it. If he doesn't because Ferrari doesn’t really give him the opportunity to, it is probably better to address it when it happens. I must say you're being a bit of a downer :dozey:
Sorry teacher, I will try and be more open minded in future :p:
Now where did I drop my joint :bandit:
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:stareup: Sorry for the confusion 555, my post was directed at Mia :idea:
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[quote=Mr Alca-Tazizzle]
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Originally Posted by "Mia 01":22p3yr99
Kimi in the team is a sign to a certain driver as a couple of pundits (and me) belive. The one man show is now over, it´s not his team anymoore. Accept it or move on is the deal.
We will see, interesting times ahead.
That sounds like a load of petty BS to me. What it obviously does mean is Ferrari want the WCC, and are willing to pay Ice a ton of money for his consistancy to get it whether or not Zo is overjoyed with the choice of teammates. It really is as simple as that. There always will be journalistic hacks that want to put a spin on it, which is incredibly lame IMO.
Of course it is implied by any employer that if you don't like your coworkers you always know where the door is.
So what?[/quote:22p3yr99]
In reality all any of us can do is speculate unless we can see the specifics of contracts. I didn't take Mia's comment to say that Alonso is on the way out, but rather that he will now have a team mate that will challenge him in driving ability. Though I rate Alonso as one of the best, I also rate Kimi as one of the best. I certainly hope that Kimi didn't settle for any contract that would make him a #2 driver by default, and I think the simple fact that Ferrari wanted him back shows that they saw their error in getting rid of him the first time around... after all he is their last WDC. The Kimi/Felipe combo also resulted in two years of constructors titles as well.... evasive since.
Domenicali has stated both drivers will be given equal status. I hope his sticks to his word on this, as it would be good for both drivers IMO.
Kimi's Facebook page suggested that he had multiple teams interested in him, and just before the Ferrari announcement he had indicated he would make his decision soon. This leads me to think that the offer was there waiting for him. I hope it works with both drivers pushing each other as I think it would hurt both of them and Ferrari to allow either to dominate the team priorities.
This is a dream driver lineup in the works, or the lead up to a giant fireworks show IMO. It could easily humble either of them depending on how it works out. Personally I think Alonso has more to lose, as Kimi wouldn't likely be upset if he was beaten in a fair fight. Alonso has mellowed as well, so if he was beaten it might not be the fireworks that it was at McLaren with Hamilton.
But only time will tell, and I'm just speculating along with everyone else. With Stefano in the mix it could well be that they now have two great drivers, both WDC's, but end up with a dog of a car for the new season and fire everyone in sight.
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Great post airshifter!
I hope that all understand that it is my fear that Fred will try to make Kimi his lapdog and take the team with him in that mission. I hope that the team gives both equal material (and no multi 21 thanks), then next year will be fun.
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If we could get RB to do the same it would be even better, but I have more hope that Ferrari will treat the drivers as equals. I also think there is mutual respect between Kimi and Fernando, so Alonso shouldn't be too upset when Kimi takes another WDC. :laugh:
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Ha ha ha, that was fun airshifter.
I hope so, very much hope so. Anyway, it will be fun.
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It is up to Kimi to make sure that Alonso does not take the team in his direction. Nobody else.
Is he capable of stopping it?
I don't know how it will be this time.
Previous history of him at Ferrari is that he didn't, but there is a chance he will be wiser this time.
He needs to be.
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Kimi is twice as motivated now as he was when he was last at Ferrari, were gonna see fire works in Italy now, and I reckon Kimi is gonna come out on top....
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Twice as motivated as last time?
The thing about that is that the Equation would be as follows -
2 x 0 = 0.
He wasn't motivated at all last time, so it appeared.
You can't multiply zeros.
What I hope for is that Kimi steps up to the job, is forceful behind the scenes and does not allow another Massa-favoured -suspension-development situation to occur.
After 2007 he had the world at his feet, and for whatever reason he did not take advantage of it. The 2008 title was his for the taking if he had been more forceful. Letting Ferrari be swayed by Schumachers latent influence to favour Massa in development in 2008 was a mistake. If his character is still the same, I suspect Fernando will use that as a weakness.
That is not to say that Alonso is without weaknesses that Kimi can take advantage of. It is up to him to do so and to protect himself in a way he did not do in 2008.
For me, a real Champion is one who does not concede the slightest advantage to a team-mate without putting up a hell of a fight.
Can Kimi fight outside the car? In the garage? In the factory?
That, I suspect, is where this battle will be won, as it has been with all previous great driver match-ups.
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Re: Kimi to Ferrari confirmed
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Originally Posted by Parabolica
It is up to Kimi to make sure that Alonso does not take the team in his direction. Nobody else.
Is he capable of stopping it?
I don't know how it will be this time.
Previous history of him at Ferrari is that he didn't, but there is a chance he will be wiser this time.
He needs to be.
Indeed. I want to see a great teammate battle at Ferrari and I want to see them both fighting for the championship.
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Re: Kimi to Ferrari confirmed
Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
Twice as motivated as last time?
The thing about that is that the Equation would be as follows -
2 x 0 = 0.
He wasn't motivated at all last time, so it appeared.
You can't multiply zeros.
What I hope for is that Kimi steps up to the job, is forceful behind the scenes and does not allow another Massa-favoured -suspension-development situation to occur.
After 2007 he had the world at his feet, and for whatever reason he did not take advantage of it. The 2008 title was his for the taking if he had been more forceful. Letting Ferrari be swayed by Schumachers latent influence to favour Massa in development in 2008 was a mistake. If his character is still the same, I suspect Fernando will use that as a weakness.
That is not to say that Alonso is without weaknesses that Kimi can take advantage of. It is up to him to do so and to protect himself in a way he did not do in 2008.
For me, a real Champion is one who does not concede the slightest advantage to a team-mate without putting up a hell of a fight.
Can Kimi fight outside the car? In the garage? In the factory?
That, I suspect, is where this battle will be won, as it has been with all previous great driver match-ups.
I think he can by staying out of politics and being his own man. IMO Ferrari understand him better now after having seen him at Lotus.
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If he doesn't do politics, he has learnt nothing.
It isn't just Ferrari who need to understand the other party.
Kimi needs to understand that, and so do his fans.
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Re: Kimi to Ferrari confirmed
Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
After 2007 he had the world at his feet, and for whatever reason he did not take advantage of it. The 2008 title was his for the taking if he had been more forceful. Letting Ferrari be swayed by Schumachers latent influence to favour Massa in development in 2008 was a mistake. If his character is still the same, I suspect Fernando will use that as a weakness.
That's the biggest load of bovine excrement I've read in a while. In 2008 Kimi had more bad luck than webber, that's why things went tits-up.
I quote myself from a different forum:
He could only qualify 15th in Australia because of mechanical failure in qualifying, therefore lost the race before it even began. Lost 2nd place in Monaco due to drive-through given for a team infraction then lost control on a wet patch after the tunnel and cluttered into Sutil. Exhaust failure in France handing the lead to Massa. Tactical fail by team in Silverstone – wrong tyres, lost lead and ended up 4th. Had to wait behind Massa in the pits during safety car at Germany, Had to queue behind Massa again after crash-gate induced safety car at Singapore. Nerfed off by Hamílton at Suzuka while in the lead. Had to let Massa through at China.
Massa was never in the same league, but Kimi’s 2008 campaign makes Webber look like the luckiest person on earth.
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Ok.
I thought I should give you an opportunity to see if you could actually debate.
It seems not.
I think its best you go back on the ignore list
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Re: Kimi to Ferrari confirmed
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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
After 2007 he had the world at his feet, and for whatever reason he did not take advantage of it. The 2008 title was his for the taking if he had been more forceful. Letting Ferrari be swayed by Schumachers latent influence to favour Massa in development in 2008 was a mistake. If his character is still the same, I suspect Fernando will use that as a weakness.
That's the biggest load of bovine excrement I've read in a while. In 2008 Kimi had more bad luck than webber, that's why things went tits-up.
I quote myself from a different forum:
He could only qualify 15th in Australia because of mechanical failure in qualifying, therefore lost the race before it even began. Lost 2nd place in Monaco due to drive-through given for a team infraction then lost control on a wet patch after the tunnel and cluttered into Sutil. Exhaust failure in France handing the lead to Massa. Tactical fail by team in Silverstone – wrong tyres, lost lead and ended up 4th. Had to wait behind Massa in the pits during safety car at Germany, Had to queue behind Massa again after crash-gate induced safety car at Singapore. Nerfed off by Hamílton at Suzuka while in the lead. Had to let Massa through at China.
Massa was never in the same league, but Kimi’s 2008 campaign makes Webber look like the luckiest person on earth.
Thanks for that great post!
I felt both sorry and angry for Kimis sake at the time.
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On the contrary -
http://kimiraikkonenspace.com/2008/11/2 ... -happened/
"Basically the tyre is going to an oversteer tendency during the
race," says Hamashima. "Maybe the car is a little bit understeery, but
as the tyres move more towards oversteer Kimi finds a good balance and
as a result could get the best lap in the race."
And
"Of course, there were races where the characteristics of the circuit
- Magny-Cours for example – meant he was able to get the tyre warm-up
right in qualifying and was able to excel on Saturday afternoon. There
were also times – Spa for example – where Raikkonen was able to charge
to the front on the opening lap, and we witnessed a performance worthy
of a world champion.
But, the fact was, there were just too many races where his struggle
to adapt his driving style to the understeering Ferrari F2008
undermined his chances"
So, as can be seen, there isn't just the "unlucky" tag to contend with in 2008.
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And, of course, to the crux of the issue back then - and, please note, these words are from Kimi himself -
"That is the way it is," Raikkonen recently told Finnish TV station MTV3
when asked about his motivation. "If you know you are fighting only for
third place then you maybe don’t have the same speed for the whole race
as normal. If you have no chance to overtake or improve your position,
it is definitely not very interesting. When you are driving for the
title, naturally, things are completely different."
http://kimiraikkonenspace.com/2008/11/2 ... -happened/
And, for me, that was not good enough then and it won't be good enough next time if it is the same.
As I have said, though, I really hope it is different.
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Re: Kimi to Ferrari confirmed
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Originally Posted by Mia 01
I felt both sorry and angry for Kimis sake at the time.
I really hope that Ice puts his head down and embraces the technical aspect of the car; no one is questioning his ability behind the wheel yet. If he doesn't you know Fred will, and that would be to Kim’s detriment. But more importantly I hope he succeeds for your sake, because you are so seriously emotionally invested in him, and the outcome. I hope we don't have to put you on suicide watch if Fred clocks him, gurl ;)
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If anyone is willing to read -
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/schum ... -1863.html
The important part is this -
"The German insisted that part of Kimi's loss in form in the second part of the season was because the Fin failed to adapt to the new developments introduced by Ferrari in the mid-season. I think I have to protect him in many ways, because in the middle of the season we made some developments to the car but Kimi simply didn't get on with these ones. The moment we went back to those changes, we got him back to competitive lap times,” added the former Ferrari champ"
This was a vital issue for me. Why on earth did the reigning World Champion, the man who should be the boss of the development direction, not instantly demand that the new developments were dropped when they did not suit him?
This must not happen again, and it shows that 2008 was about much more than simple luck.
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Originally Posted by Parabolica
If he doesn't do politics, he has learnt nothing.
It isn't just Ferrari who need to understand the other party.
Kimi needs to understand that, and so do his fans.
I don't think he needs to be political, he just needs people that understand him around him and he's got those now: James Allison, Pat Fry (knows him from Mclaren) Slade?, Domenicali. Who has Alonso got? If he starts to be political again, he may wall end up shooting in his own foot.
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:stareup: Which Fred knows, and is honing his skills because he will need his A-game to beat Kimi, and vise versa!
Zo aint thinking about anything except making the car fast for him. Problem is they both like the oversteerish handling so it's just like Fred and The Boss in that regard
May the forza be with both of them.
Best Wishes,
http://i.imgur.com/aBmAP6U.jpg
:dork:
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I'm just saying...thaT LIKE like whatever!
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With all due respect Dex, Allison was at Renault when Alonso was winning titles there, so they will know each other too. Fry has an existing relationship with Alonso, as does Domenicali. That leaves Slade, who is almost certain to be Kimi's engineer so would not have much to do with Fernando anyway.
Kimi failed to build.a rapport the last time he was at Ferrari, so we need to see if he has added that to his game.
To claim Fernando has no one in his corner, when he is embedded within the team and has provided the driving leadership that was clearly lacking in Kimi's previous residency is a little premature.
Again, for the Kimi fans, it is not his speed I question, it is the application.
Alonso has many character faults which have been destructive in the past, but I also see that Kimi is not without genuine failings of character too.
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Originally Posted by Parabolica
With all due respect Dex, Allison was at Renault when Alonso was winning titles there, so they will know each other too. Fry has an existing relationship with Alonso, as does Domenicali. That leaves Slade, who is almost certain to be Kimi's engineer so would not have much to do with Fernando anyway.
Kimi failed to build.a rapport the last time he was at Ferrari, so we need to see if he has added that to his game.
To claim Fernando has no one in his corner, when he is embedded within the team and has provided the driving leadership that was clearly lacking in Kimi's previous residency is a little premature.
Again, for the Kimi fans, it is not his speed I question, it is the application.
Alonso has many character faults which have been destructive in the past, but I also see that Kimi is not without genuine failings of character too.
Everybody's got flaws,you're right on that. IMO Alonso's status in the team is no longer what it was,they wouldn't have hired Kimi if it was. Alonso's leadership has brought nothing to the team in terms of results, it's not better than it was before he came, so they changed strategy and brought another WDC in. It must hurt Alonso,the question is how will he take it?
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Alonso's standing in the team has most certainly taken a knock or two. According to TJ13's sources in the team, he's nicknamed 'shit layer' among the personnel. Now call me old-fashioned, but that's a rather unflattering honour. For all his Samurai talk, he hasn't delivered. Of course he didn't break Ferrari's wind tunnel, but the way he treated the team lately can't go over well with them.
And now comes the man, who scored the last title for Ferrari. Most likely the team will initially rally behind Kimi, which might tip the scales in Kimi's favour in the early season. Fernando has burned several bridges by publicly slagging off the crew. It'll take time to repair that damage.
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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
According to TJ13's sources in the team
Most likely the team will initially rally behind Kimi, which might tip the scales in Kimi's favour in the early season.
Who are these "sources," please name them.
Are you referring to this little piece of provocative speculation?
Quote:
I can’t wait to be driving a Prancing Horse car again and to reacquaint myself with so many people with whom I had such close links, as well as working with Fernando, whom I consider a great driver, in order to bring the team the success it deserves.”
Mmm. “Reaquant myself with so many people”,
Sounds like Fernando will still be the black sheep of the family and called ‘shit layer’
behgind his back, whilst Kimi breezes in and sucks up all the Massa love.
Then we have “I can’t wait to be driving a Prancing Horse car again….. in order to bring the team the success it deserves.” So Alonso and his previous team mate have failed on this mission, but Kimi will be the difference. Mmm.
Of course, there is also in this statement a reference to winning a world championship title with Ferrari, something Nando has failed to deliver. More and more Mmm.
Is it me or is this a highly political polemic? Or do I need to lie down for a while???
http://thejudge13.com/2013/09/11/daily- ... 2013/#Kimi fans start the banter
Dude seriously needs to lay down a while because that is predicated on a premise that the author admits is pure speculation, and it comes off as wishful thinking aimed at pleasing the Ice fan base, bro. It's nothing but popular tripe. Sorry dude that is not responsible journalism, representative of fact, or based on anything stated by a Ferrari official. Honestly I didn't think you of all people would resort to these kinds of tactics. Are you just trying to stir up some excrement, because this kind of attack should be called what it is; chicken excrement. :laugh:
It is absolute nonsense, the team is behind both pilots as stated by the Team Principal, and I can't find a single quote from anyone else (that matters) saying otherwise. With all due respect I believe you have fallen for the Northern European version of popular tripe regarding Kimi and Zo. :crazy:
However if true it will play out. I can barely stand the wait to see none of this come to fruition :dork:
May the forza be with them both.
Best wishes,
http://i.imgur.com/aBmAP6U.jpg
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But, Alca, it's from an obscure blog site, so it must be true!!!
I believe my decision to re-activate the Ignore button has been wholly vindicated.
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Well, y'all might call TJ's blog obscure, I go with the facts. He reported Kimi's imminent arrival at Ferrari a whole two weeks before any other media outfit even speculated about it. He had detailled quotes from the FIA hearing days before they were reported elsewhere. So suffice to say, he seems to have insider contacts that are not only real, but also fairly reliable. And before some comes with the good old 'name the sources' BS - the whole point of an inside source is to remain anonymous, Einstein :hmph:
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Originally Posted by Parabolica
But, Alca, it's from an obscure blog site, so it must be true!!!
I believe my decision to re-activate the Ignore button has been wholly vindicated.
How come you react to my posts, cav, if I'm supposedly on your ignore list :laugh:
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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Well, y'all might call TJ's blog obscure, I go with the facts. He reported Kimi's imminent arrival at Ferrari a whole two weeks before any other media outfit even speculated about it. He had detailled quotes from the FIA hearing days before they were reported elsewhere. So suffice to say, he seems to have insider contacts that are not only real, but also fairly reliable. And before some comes with the good old 'name the sources' BS - the whole point of an inside source is to remain anonymous, Einstein :hmph:
But dude himself, in his own words says he may be way off base, and "seems" is the operative word in your arguement, Anyone can say that they are privy to the inner workings a team.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
the whole point of an inside source is to remain anonymous
It is also convenient that by being an anonymous "source" is if you are full of sh!t" you don't hav e to be accountable, so what you have posted is hearsay and not substanciated.
You go with "facts?" Please point out the facts in these assersions, Hegel :monkee:
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Seems like the Alonso fans are already a bit shaken. We know he doesn't have 6/10ths, but the question is will he have any over Kimi? As for the bickering over a blog, even if speculation it's the same thing everyone is doing here. Does anyone have any evidence that said person does not have inside information? From what I've seen the source seems to have valid info before it's reported elsewhere on a number of occasions.
I can see the off season will be a lot of fighting based on speculation. :)
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I am a Ferrari fan, not a driver fan.
What I see is a driver who has become frustrated by Ferrari's performance.
His name is Fernando Alonso.
I have never felt he lacked commitment.
What I also see is a driver who caused Ferrari to question his commitment. His name isn't Alonso.
As I continually state, I pray that is not the case again, but forgive me for having major doubts.
That Kimi's fans ignore his previous actions and blame everyone but Kimi? It is telling. I am a fan of Ferrari, but my adoration is not without critical faculties when they make poor decisions.
Previous history with Kimi makes this decision questionable.
If he sticks it to Alonso, I have the personal tragedy of being proved wrong as Ferrari win.
I can live with that.
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Kimi never blame the team, car, factory or Newey in public.
I like Kimi!