Hamilton's First Win.

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16th April 2007, 23:16
kalasend

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Originally Posted by harvick#1

but how many rookies went straight into top equipment their first year.

That said, you can also ask how many top team bosses trusted giving a rookie his top machines and what made them do so...
16th April 2007, 23:56
raikk

Hamilton's first win... well it will be some time this year but it is very hard to predect when...
17th April 2007, 10:37
raphael123

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Originally Posted by kalasend

Hard to imagine at the moment. IMO, you can take out the results of Hamilton altogether and just look at how mature and outstanding he is under pressure. Compared that with the number of times Button was forced into errors while being pressured.

It's just a common characteristic among top athletes of every sport -- how they handle pressure. It is simply unmistakable.

Which errors did and has Button made while being pressured?

I regard Button as a top driver, who very rarely makes any kind of mistakes. I'd be interesting in you giving me examples, and backing up that statement
17th April 2007, 15:09
OmarF1

Montoya Rocks!
17th April 2007, 16:26
race aficionado

Yo OmarF1! I fully agree with you but come on down to the NASCAR forum.
Our man is doing good.
:)
17th April 2007, 17:27
Henry Cutts

Hamilton will win a race soon, The only problem is (all the extra) pressure from the British media. You watch the coverage on ITV its all Hamilton.
17th April 2007, 17:48
race aficionado

Andale Hamilton!

That is the main issue:
Pressure

I have a feeling, just by listening to him talk and the look in his eyes, that he will withstand the pressure bestowed upon him by the media and the fans.

He will eventually make a mistake(s) and as long as he takes them as part of racin'- which I trust he will - all will be alright with this phenom.

All the stars are aligned correctly.
* He is in a great car that will allow him to make the best out of it race-wise.
* He has gone through a thorough race car driver/racer education on various racing series.
* He has a great support and guidance by his father.
* and the kid is just plain good - he's awesome.

great for F1 and all us fans. This year is a treat.

:s mokin:
17th April 2007, 18:20
OmarF1

[quote="OmarF1"]

Lewis Hamilton was Grand Prix 2 Champion in 2006
17th April 2007, 19:22
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

I have a feeling, just by listening to him talk and the look in his eyes, that he will withstand the pressure bestowed upon him by the media and the fans.

I think that's very true. He couldn't really have stepped into a more highly pressured environment in terms of the team, his team-mate, this being his first season in F1, and yet nothing seems to affect him. Hamilton is taking everything completely in his stride, and -this is perhaps the most impressive thing of all - after three races it seems as if he's been in F1 a few years, not races, already.

His problem, if you can call it that, is when a win comes it'll almost be an anti-climax because it's expected, and talk of the 2007 WDC, while seemingly far-fetched, is not really when you look at the drivers he's beating.

Astonishing :s mokin: and great to watch :cool:
17th April 2007, 19:40
Zico

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

That is the main issue:
Pressure

I have a feeling, just by listening to him talk and the look in his eyes, that he will withstand the pressure bestowed upon him by the media and the fans.

He will eventually make a mistake(s) and as long as he takes them as part of racin'- which I trust he will - all will be alright with this phenom.

All the stars are aligned correctly.
* He is in a great car that will allow him to make the best out of it race-wise.
* He has gone through a thorough race car driver/racer education on various racing series.
* He has a great support and guidance by his father.
* and the kid is just plain good - he's awesome.

great for F1 and all us fans. This year is a treat.

:s mokin:

Well said.. This year is indeed a treat. We have two teams with near identicle performance, the drivers are also closely matched and we have a teenage rookie sensation... Best start to the F1 season Ive yet witnessed for many years!
18th April 2007, 06:21
Valve Bounce

To set the record straight

Hamilton is lucky: he is driving a very, very good car in his first year in F1.
Having said that, I won't take anything away from his driving, which is outstanding. And don't forget, his team mate is the current WDC, and Lewis is tlloking every bit as good on the track as Fernando.

So yeah! we have a very good rookie driver in a very good car. It won't be long before he wins a race - that's a foregone conclusion. But I won't pick any particular race, because at some tracks, the Ferraris are faster, and at others the MackaLarens can match them. But I am sure it won't be long before lewis will stand on the top step of the podium. He is there on the podium not because a front runner has dropped out - he is there because he beats them.

And that!! is the mark of a true champion in the making.

Nah!!! forget bunsen :rolleyes:
18th April 2007, 18:09
schumi

im very surprised about this guy i think this races confirm how the gp2 is the best place to stay if you wanna go F1, i can´t wait when Briatore fire fisico or maybe Kova..... and Nelsinho start his career of F1 driver (no tester)

PD: remember that batles in 2006 Hamilton-Piquet......
18th April 2007, 18:28
GridGirl

This might be a silly question, but has anyone thats raced in F3000/F2 actually ever won a race in F1 yet?
18th April 2007, 19:25
ioan

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Originally Posted by GridGirl

This might be a silly question, but has anyone thats raced in F3000/F2 actually ever won a race in F1 yet?

At least one of them: Montoya.
18th April 2007, 19:40
GridGirl

Doohhh I'd forgotton about Monotya winning F3000, I never think of his career really taking off untill he went over to the USA.
18th April 2007, 20:26
truefan72

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Originally Posted by GridGirl

This might be a silly question, but has anyone thats raced in F3000/F2 actually ever won a race in F1 yet?

that's a good question and I'll have to do some research on that. Off the top og my head I have an ominous feeling the answer won't be too impressive.
18th April 2007, 20:53
jso1985

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Originally Posted by GridGirl

This might be a silly question, but has anyone thats raced in F3000/F2 actually ever won a race in F1 yet?

yep many of them I think, the ones I remember right now are: Alesi, Herbert, Alonso and Montoya, there's surely more.

now what's interesting is that all F3000/GP2 champions have failed to win a F1 championship
18th April 2007, 20:59
kalasend

Massa was F3000 champion
18th April 2007, 21:10
jso1985

Euro F3000 champ, not the "official" F3000 series
18th April 2007, 21:27
GridGirl

I looked it up after Ioan said Montoya, and he won the championship in 1998 with a record point score at the time.

But its a good point, the sucess in F3000/F2 hasn't been replicated in general in f1. Kimi, Button, and Schumacher etc have not takien that route.
18th April 2007, 22:03
ioan

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Originally Posted by jso1985

Euro F3000 champ, not the "official" F3000 series

Than he might still have a chance in F1!
18th April 2007, 22:19
jso1985

helps that he's not cursed :p :
19th April 2007, 22:06
race aficionado

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/tm_hea...name_page.html

other than the title of the article - "So long Alonso" and if this article is actually non-fiction - (we just don't know really what the press gives us sometimes) . . :dozey:
. . . this is an interesting article.
Hamilton is blunt, honest and not disrespectful of his team mate and world champion Fernando Alonso. And he manages this as he says that he will eventually beat FA and that the sooner the better.

I'm sure Fernando Alonso is ready foor the challenge

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It's just a matter of time, added Hamilton. "I'm working extremely hard. Fernando is very talented and a credit to the team. He's the toughest driver I've competed against and it's going to be very hard to beat him.

"It doesn't mean I can't do it. I don't know when. Soon I hope."

Hamilton denied there was any friction with Alonso (right).

"I'm with Fernando. We're a team and we're working together," he said.

"Of course we want to beat each other but that doesn't overpower our drive for the team."

FERNANDO ALONSO LEWIS HAMILTON

Salary £14m £250,000

World titles 2 0

Age 25 22

Races 89 3

Wins 16 0

Podiums 39 3

Poles 15 0

Fastest laps 8 1

Front row 20 1

Laps raced 4901 171

Laps led 1010 10

Km led 4884 54

Points 403 22
20th April 2007, 01:26
tintop

Thing about Hamilton...he didn't have the pleasure of kicking Michael Schumacher's ass over the past two years. I'm sure that he'll have a great career and will win a GP this year, very very impressive. But there is nothing like the pleasure of owning Michael.
20th April 2007, 08:03
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by tintop

But there is nothing like the pleasure of owning Michael.

I doubt whether Michael was concerned about "owning" the likes of Fangio or Clark. A driver can only beat who is in the same field as him at the time he is racing, and Hamilton has already proved he can match a 2 x WDC in the same car, the same 2 x WDC who "owned" MS in 2005/6.
20th April 2007, 08:08
ioan

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Originally Posted by tintop

Thing about Hamilton...he didn't have the pleasure of kicking Michael Schumacher's ass over the past two years. I'm sure that he'll have a great career and will win a GP this year, very very impressive. But there is nothing like the pleasure of owning Michael.

:rolleyes: Like you would know. :\
20th April 2007, 08:22
tintop

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I doubt whether Michael was concerned about "owning" the likes of Fangio or Clark. A driver can only beat who is in the same field as him at the time he is racing, and Hamilton has already proved he can match a 2 x WDC in the same car, the same 2 x WDC who "owned" MS in 2005/6.

Perhaps owning wasn't an appropriate choice of words - but beating Michael especially with that Ferrari machine behind him was a real historical benchmark, kind of like victories over Federer or Woods. Hamilton is certainly the most impressive driver in years right out of the box.
20th April 2007, 08:23
tintop

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Originally Posted by ioan

:rolleyes: Like you would know. :\

No, no I wouldn't, but Alonso would...know what it's like.
20th April 2007, 09:03
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by tintop

...beating Michael especially with that Ferrari machine behind him was a real historical benchmark...

You're right that MS was the man to beat. Alonso was able to do that, and as the 2 x WDC he is now the benchmark, which is what makes Hamilton's performances so far all the more impressive.
20th April 2007, 10:20
ioan

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Originally Posted by tintop

No, no I wouldn't, but Alonso would...know what it's like.

Well he is the only one who had everything in place to do it in the last few years.
20th April 2007, 10:22
ioan

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Originally Posted by tintop

Perhaps owning wasn't an appropriate choice of words - but beating Michael especially with that Ferrari machine behind him was a real historical benchmark, kind of like victories over Federer or Woods.

I wouldn't go that far. In F1 the car is a huge factor, can't compare it with tennis and golf.
20th April 2007, 10:28
Ranger

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Originally Posted by ioan

I wouldn't go that far. In F1 the car is a huge factor, can't compare it with tennis and golf.

The line is too blurry that it just makes such comparisons between F1 drivers rather futile.
20th April 2007, 14:26
tintop

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Originally Posted by ioan

I wouldn't go that far. In F1 the car is a huge factor, can't compare it with tennis and golf.

Well then, beating MS AND Ferrari. All 3 atheletes are have the possibility of being more dominant that anyone before or after them in their respective sports, so victories or championships at their expense have a greater meaning. When MS retired last year a number of drivers said that they were lucky to have competed against and in a few cases beaten MS, because it gave extra clout to those victories.
20th April 2007, 14:28
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by ioan

I wouldn't go that far. In F1 the car is a huge factor, can't compare it with tennis and golf.

I don't believe that comparison was being made. The point was that beating the person who is considered to be the benchmark for the sport is a big achievement, whatever the sport.
21st April 2007, 12:51
Ian McC

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I don't believe that comparison was being made. The point was that beating the person who is considered to be the benchmark for the sport is a big achievement, whatever the sport.

Less so in motorsport, unless they are driving the same type of car, as with Lewis and Alonso.
21st April 2007, 13:28
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by Ian McC

Less so in motorsport, unless they are driving the same type of car, as with Lewis and Alonso.

If we believe that the Ferrari is a faster car than the McLaren, then Lewis beating Kimi is one helluva achievement.
22nd April 2007, 16:25
F1woman

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Originally Posted by jjanicke

I'm starting to believe that Hamilton could be the best rookie ever to join F1. Does anyone know of any stats that rival his for a rookie racer?

1st race: Qual 4th - Finish 3rd
2nd race: Qual 4th - Finish 2nd
3rd race: Qual 2nd - Finish ?

Who has outdone that?

3rd race Qual 2nd - Finish 2nd Who done that let me think :rolleyes: OH NO ONE!! :D
22nd April 2007, 16:37
F1woman

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Originally Posted by truefan72

going which way?.

I am a big LH fan, but JV had a phenominal first year and won the WDC his second year, so I hope LH has similar success. For all those who can't stand JV, you can't take away his accomplishments. like my sig says...

JV and LH are associates I remember last year, JV playing music with LH Both got great voices both of them were also having barbecue together. Remember JV got a album out.
23rd April 2007, 19:55
Bezza

I reckon he's got a good chance at Spain, however Alonso will be fired up for his home race. I have a sneaky feeling his first win will come at Magny-Cours, and he will take two more wins before the end of the season.
23rd April 2007, 20:42
F1woman

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Originally Posted by jso1985

yep many of them I think, the ones I remember right now are: Alesi, Herbert, Alonso and Montoya, there's surely more.

now what's interesting is that all F3000/GP2 champions have failed to win a F1 championship

GP2 is a new championship it start 4 years ago. Lewis won it's last year when the championship was it's 3th year.

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