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So far, typical of Indy as far as the race goes...........but all of the color men need to get off the Ambien! Not enough excitement in their voices, and they've already dropped the ball on who the drivers are. Where is a technical guy?? I miss the NBC Sports Network crew already!!
These color guys might as well be doing golf!!!
Congrats Tony. I guess the medallion and Zanardi's gold medal helped but YOU won the race!
And the Andretti Curse continues. :(
But I'm happy for Tony at least.
Well deserved! He was in it the whole race!! It was nice to see Alex there as well. Congrats Tony!!!
Congrats to Tony on his win, he did a spectacular job after years of almost getting there he finally did it. Carlos Munoz did an exceptional job for getting 2nd place for his first IndyCar race. :)
It was a superb race. What I just thought: Dan Wheldon's last win was Iowa 2008, until he won at Indy in 2011. Tony Kanaan's last win was Iowa 2010 until he won at Indy 2013, coincidence? Because both had an almost 3 year gap between their last wins and Tony was one of DW's best friends, so was Dario of course... Really, I was looking forward to see a new winner OR Hélio becoming a 4-time champion. I'm glad TK did it; He was clearly one of the best "never to win the Indy 500" drivers on the grid. Exactly; Was... Because, now he IS an Indy 500 champ!
It's a new track record!
The 500-mile average 187.433mph beat Arie Lurendyk's 185.981mph average from 1990.
Tony Kanann also beat his own 500-mile record from Michigan in 1999.
Contrary to some predictions, the race did not suck.
http://www.motorsportforums.com/indy...tml#post872146
When did the start of the Indy 500 begin having huge gaps between the rows? I seriously can't remember a less exciting start of an Indy 500.
Is drafting back and forth really racing? Is it exciting to see car's sling shot past each other every other lap?
If it was exciting, then someone needed to tell the announcers. Jamie in pit row was the only person in the broadcast with an enthusiasm level to match the event. Could the other announcers have talked more about punching a hole in the air? Well no, because then they'd have nothing else to talk about.
Someone at ABC and/or Indycar should consider watching the Coca-Cola 600 tonight. Even when a NASCAR race is boring, they are able to use the camera MUCH better to create some excitement. It was well past the half way point before ABC even let the viewer know that they had a front straight camera and a helicopter.
I am glad Tony Kanan got his "ugly face" on the trophy. He was deserving of this win, even if it was won under caution (I prefer NASCAR's Green/White/Yellow rule).
From the thread you linked:Quote:
Originally Posted by call_me_andrew
And that's exactly how it happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
Yes, yes it is. What else would you call it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex Monaco
At this level, there are only a few ways that you're going to see a pass. Drafting is one, having someone's tires go off is another. Having someone make a mistake is a third way, but at this level, that's pretty uncommon.
I like the fact Munoz looked dejected because he only came second. Someone needs to give that kid a drive for the season on that showing.
That was the racing nascar wishes they could put on.
Exciting drafting and slingshoting, most of the field still within the front straight for most of the race.
Great clean start, and restarts!!!
Didn't get to see the race, but from what I read, it seems to have been a good one.
Congrats to Kanaan; the Brickyard has never been kind to him in the past, but now he has put his demons to rest. Jimmy Vasser must be over the moon as well.
Good year for rookies, with Munoz in second and 'Dinger in 7th.
Congrats to TK!! It was a well deserved and long overdue win. They are going to have to use a whole lot of silver to put a mold od his profile on the Borg Warner. ;-D
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Originally Posted by Rex Monaco
There were 5 cautions this year; there were 4 in 1990.
Speaking of NASCAR's cameras, the Coke 600 is currently under a red flag because a camera cable fell on the track.
Right. The Fox camera cable snapped and came down on the track, damaging several cars and creating an extended red flag. Some excitement alright. No thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex Monaco
It's not the number of cautions, it's the number of laps run under a caution. In 1990 there were 28 laps run under caution and in 2013 there were 21 laps run under caution.Quote:
Originally Posted by call_me_andrew
Leaving aside this freak mishap, I've been using the same critical eye while viewing the NASCAR race. Here's my observations.Quote:
Originally Posted by call_me_andrew
Obviously the racing is different. Even though NASCAR is also a 'spec series', the engines are not equal. There is no sling shoting to pass. When they pass, they are working for it and it takes 1 or 2 laps to complete it. And other than the first laps after a restart, the car's start to spread out. That makes the racing boring.
But this is where the announcers and the TV coverage help the show. First, the cameras take you down as close to the track as possible to give you a sense of the speed from multiple angles. When there is a race taking place on the track, the camera follows it all around the track. And it doesn't matter where that race is occurring.
The announcers seem much more knowledgeable about the drivers and the racing. More than likely, this is because a producer is feeding them information.
If the ABC had followed the racing taking place all over the track in the Indy 500, if they had brought us down into the action with their cameras and if the announcers had taken uppers instead of downers, the Indy 500 would have been an exciting broadcast.
At the 1/2 way point of the CC 600, I'll lean towards Indycar having the better race. But NASCAR hands down has a much better broadcast.
You're right. At this level, which is spec racing, this is probably as good as it will get. Without differing horsepower or differing aero packages between cars, a single file race with back and forth sling shot passes is probably all we can hope for. The days of 2 or 4 car's breaking away from the pack or 1 car lapping the field before the halfway point are likely gone forever. And we will likely never see side by side racing for position again.Quote:
Originally Posted by FormerFF
Some people will settle for this. And if they can improve the broadcast, they might make gain a few NASCAR fans.
One car lapping the field before halfway is a guaranteed snoozefest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex Monaco
Only if you dislike its driver. A car race usually has more than one participant and a 5-car scuffle for a distant second can be just as entertaining and exciting to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
Congratulations to Tony Kanaan, definitely paid his dues to finally win!
GReat race shamed it finished under yellow, but so pleased for TK he was obviously the fans favourite during driver annoucements. Loved the race. Hardly any yellows really till the end. Good racing. Much better than the Monaco GP.
The difference was that in the old days it would not be clear cut that any car would compete the 500 miles. Now you just know beforehand that everyone who doesn't crash finishes on the lead lap. What's the point in driving 500 miles when the only thing that matters is the last restart???Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
so you would prefer one car lapping the field on lap 100 over a day full of competitive passing and drivers manouvering for position? Really? Sounds boring to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lousada
Gary
A great race in many ways. My only complaint (aside from the announcers and camera work) was that it finished under yellow. The race had great dogfights throughout the race and deserved to finish at full throttle.
Does anyone know whether Dario crashed on his own? Also, who took out Saavedra with that chop/block? ABC never bothered to find out. I was gutted for K Legge -- she was flying before her car kissed the wall.
Dario crahsed on his own, car was a dog all day. He got loose going into the turn and it snapped on him as he corrcted it. Hit the outside wall.
What was up with AJ's seat belts?
Way to go Tony Kanaan. :thumbsup:
What was Ryan Hunter-Reay thinking on that, what turned out to be, last restart?
Not everyone that finished was on the lead lap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lousada
When there is a late yellow, everyone closes up, negating any lead the front car has managed to pull out as the race distance is approached.
That is what makes the last restart critical.
Im not on here that often but im fast falling in love with this race. Last years was awesome with Sato on the last lap and i was glued on Sunday.
Think extra mention to Justin Wilson, how on earth did he end up 5th? great job JW!!!
Top 10 in the standings has closed up nicely!!
Again, had a great time at Indy. Nice to see all those fans,but I have to say again that ugly useless bumpers must go. Looking back of those satellite dish looking cars makes me puke. Lawnmower sound of the cars is weak. Spec Indy light racing at best. There is people who love spec manufactured show and it could be entertaining ,but I'm not one of them and sooner they get rid of it, the better. Lead changes 60 or more but no one wants to lead as they know is not real and means nothing. When leading Indy500 three laps to go is a bad thing than something is very wrong. Yellow finish is fine with me ,as win some or lose some by the same historic rule ,but it's real 500. No manufactured finishes please.Track and stands needs update, looks like antique place.Paint is cheap and millions from taxpayers could do wonders to the place. Cute speeches and big plans of opening competition are lip service, show me. Builder of ugly race cars is locked in until 2017, TV 2018. Good lock with that. Trying to be nascar will not bring nascar fans to the seats but will make Indycar fans leave the sport more and more every year. Fact? Ratings. See u in Mlwaukee.
First you sayThen you sayQuote:
Again, had a great time at Indy. Nice to see all those fans.....
Which is it?Quote:
.....ugly useless bumpers must go......those satellite dish looking cars makes me puke.....Lawnmower sound of the cars is weak..... Spec Indy light racing at best.....but I'm not one of them and sooner they get rid of it, the better.....no one wants to lead as they know is not real and means nothing.....leading Indy500 three laps to go is a bad thing than something is very wrong.....Cute speeches and big plans of opening competition are lip service.....
Why can't it be both? Can't you have a good time at a Madonna concert and still criticize her wardrobe, political rantings and/or tired dance routines?Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
Yes Indy, beer and that over sized piece of fried meat was great. People where great and most that I have talked to feel the same, and talk mostly about good old days,why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
Yes,ugly spec racing is not Indy or Indycar, and picking through my post will not change the fact of lowest rating in history because of the product that suck.Typical response from you ,but is not me that bothers you is it? Fact that you are wrong ,and phony product that doesn't sell is your enemy. People like you who would settle for anything keep on preaching, not many are listening anymore I'm afraid.
Anytime you can combine racing, beer and good food is not a wasted day. I'm glad you enjoyed yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by FIAT1
I guess it's what you are calling the "product". Is it racing or the spectacle? I am a racing fan and the racing this year was pretty good. The spectacle, as in faster cars and new lap records, not so much. Personally, I find any competitive race to be enjoyable. From SCCA FVs up to F1. It's the drivers getting the maximum out of the machine they are driving (and not some other machine not in the race) in wheel to wheel competition.Quote:
Yes,ugly spec racing is not Indy or Indycar, and picking through my post will not change the fact of lowest rating in history because of the product that suck.
First, if you truly though it was a "phoney product", why did you spend the bucks necessary to attend?Quote:
Typical response from you ,but is not me that bothers you is it? Fact that you are wrong ,and phony product that doesn't sell is your enemy. People like you who would settle for anything keep on preaching, not many are listening anymore I'm afraid.
And second, you completely misunderstand my position. I still fondly remember the days of the CanAm with the McLarens, Porsche 917s, Chaparrals, and Shadows. Much faster cars than any CART Indy car and a great series while it ran. But the economics were unsustainable. I miss it, but that doesn't mean I spend my time lamenting that today's cars aren't as fast. I agree today's IndyCar is not as good as the days of CART. The problem is that current economics won't support the old CART either. It's still good racing though and I still enjoy it. There's a saying that the only thing in life that never changes is change.
It's not a question of settling for anything. It's understanding the realities. Where there's a chance to make changes, I'll work on it and where it's just wishful thinking, I'll spend my energies on something which will result in a positive outcome.
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Originally Posted by Starter
I did say some might enjoy this type a racing as it could be entertaining. I don't despute it could be fun to watch at times but we know is not real and I will say again, when driver is leading a Indy 500 he shouldn't be a sitting duck,that's wrong. Leading the race last laps is considered bad position, please!That is a phoney product that Indy fans are rejecting in big numbers.
Spend to see the race because I love motor racing, still believe that open wheel will come back to be open wheel at Indy some day, and couldn't be in Monaco .
Understanding the realities means this type Indy light cars and racing ,manufactured passing, is not selling. There are fans who express their opinion on what they like, support the series and don't want to see it die, and there are fans who watch it daying and think they doing something positive by settling for less and cheering how its a best as ever been.
You'd get much less push back from me if you'd cut down on the hyperbola. It's not a "phoney product". The product is real, you just don't care for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FIAT1
Good answer.Quote:
Spend to see the race because I love motor racing, still believe that open wheel will come back to be open wheel at Indy some day, and couldn't be in Monaco .
Perhaps, but there isn't a viable alternative at the moment.Quote:
Understanding the realities means this type Indy light cars and racing ,manufactured passing, is not selling.
I'm sure you aren't talking about me, as I said just the opposite in my post just above yours.Quote:
.....and there are fans who watch it daying and think they doing something positive by settling for less and cheering how its a best as ever been.
Push all you want, it's not about me and what I like. Numbers speak for themselves and it's alarming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
I sympathise with those who have been critical but on balance it was a good race. Reminiscent of the CART/Hanford era with lots of overtaking and arguably too much but it was great to watch drafting and slingshots - this is the type of racing NASCAR needs for their plate tracks.
Its a work in progress but I'd rather watch that type of racing than pack racing on cookie cutter ovals.
Winner winner chicken dinner!Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
Yep, blindfolded in la-la land are still singing same old boring tune, but reality bites!!!
You know the reality is you could actually look in the mirror and read this to yourself as well. There is a reality that no money exists to do what you keep calling for and most of us agree we also want. The difference is, we don't see a scenario playing out to allow it to happen and we, unlike you, admit that fact. Until someone finds a way to PAY the costs to get the changes we all want, it ain't gonna happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by FIAT1
Gary