quite a few:
ferrari for killing massa's race.
red bull for killing webber's race saturday and sunday.
kimi for making an elementary mistake and hitting perez.
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quite a few:
ferrari for killing massa's race.
red bull for killing webber's race saturday and sunday.
kimi for making an elementary mistake and hitting perez.
I don't wholly disagree with you but is it the tyres or is it the rule that says a certain tyre must be used at least once?Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Personally I'm leaning towards the rule being the donkey. Tyres are just tyres after all.
Your post was posted just a min before mine and I didn't had chance to read it, still wasn't rude or offensive unlike yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Anyway if both Ferrari and Red Bull did act in the same way, why according to you...Ferrari only deserves donkey's award then ? :confused:
I didn't give a donkey award to Ferrari. Mine goes to Pirelli. I merely said that screwing Massa's races seems to be default at Ferrari, as much as it seems at RBR to poke Mark up the backside. Chill, man...Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
I'll praise Ferrari later on, just for you - I promise...
Yeah he did.... But if they hadn't messed up their strategy with Massa we could have had 3 guys fighting for third instead of Only Hamilton and vettel. And, er, yes, I am dealing with it just fine.... Thank you! LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alca-Tazizzle
normally I don't give a flying expletive about Faceborg. I'm only registered there, because my whole family loiteres about there, but today I couldn't help but leave the Pirelli Idiots a 'love letter'
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I'll agitate the raw **** out of you guys until you're finally gone from F1. Your friggin' MAOAM tires at China were a bloody disgrace!! If I want to watch tire nursing eco-runs, I'll watch all the ecomentalists and lentil eating lesbians clogging up the street in their "green" Toyota Priuses. Just get the hell away from my favourite sport. Just go away, please.
No worries scro.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
Idiocracy- my fave part - YouTube
Gutierrez for his crashing into Sutil.
Webber for his incident with Vergne.
Raikkonen, though he drove a good race overall, gets an honorable for his incident with Perez. He should have known better and gone down the inside.
I pick the Mexican fraction of F1 - Gutierrez and Perez.
Not the problem according to Felipe :bulb:Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
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Felipe Massa - 6th : "It's difficult to understand exactly what happened today, because the start went very well. I was immediately quick and the car was working perfectly. At the first stop, I fitted the Medium tyres and after a few laps I began to suffer with graining on the front. That meant I lost ground to other cars and it was probably down to a problem linked to the track conditions and my driving style. All weekend, I haven't felt comfortable with these tyres and in the race, any attempts I made to save them was useless. But for this problem, I would certainly have been in the fight for the podium, but I am still confident because, all the same, I was able to bring home a good points haul which is important in a season that has only just begun
Donkey of the race? Mark Webber's rear tire..
Reminds me of the doctor I use :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alca-Tazizzle
Massa blaming himself again? Either way, the timing of his first pit stop was totally wrong. And his lap times at the start of the race were consistent with alonso s. I still think he could have been fighting for the final podium spot with a better strategy.
That's cool, the stop may have been late but unless FM is lying, it is when he put on the freakin' primes he had problems. Bring him in earlier, and the earlier his problems would have started. :bulb:Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Jesus! What exactly is the point of you? You know that nobody cares what you say right?
Man, I thought this place would improve when some of the old dickheads shoved off, but as ever you tools are legion....
And you know we don't give flying **** about you rice peasants either....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mifune
Go hug your sword, do us a favour, peasant...
I can't believe I'm getting blasted forbeing "agressive" and racist **** like that is tolerated...
Gutierrez is the donkey of the race with a special mention to Grosjean who was nowhere compared to Kimi.
Mark Webber is the Donkey of the year. Somebody would have to show up on the grid drunk as a skunk to take that tittle away from Mr. Vinegar & Water.
Chinese GP: Massa mystified by loss of pace - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.comQuote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
so it is not only red bull5h#t playing team favoritesQuote:
Massa said he is still struggling for answers to explain his eventual 40-second deficit to Alonso.
"It's difficult to understand exactly what happened today, because the start went very well," Massa said.
Pirelli has created exactly the tire that the FIA have asked for. The only people that bitch about the tires are those that have favorite drivers/ teams that are not doing well on them, namely Red Bull and Mercedes.
How about those complainers award Donkey to the named team engineers? That would be appropriate. :D
About Massa. Alonso was ahead, so got first stop call. Sure they could have stacked them like Mercedes, but how do you finish 50 seconds after the race ends? He says he had tire issues? Well then Felipe, perhaps learning how to keep 'em alive is in order? Perhaps he deserves donkey? Afterall, surely he had the same car as Alonso. No?
Pirelli tires are terrible. First, they rob us of seeing an all out fight in the qualification session. More than half of all cars did not even leave the pits before the it was less than half of Q1 left left. A lot of cars often choose not to even run in Q3. Next, the fact that the soft tires last only five laps is ridiculous. No team would use them at all in the Chinese race if they weren't required. These tires are not designed to make cars go fast. They're simply meant to create a good show with all cars in and out of pits every 10 laps. These tires have simply lowered the bar to make the race interesting to complete neophytes who get to see order shuffled frequently and constant pit action all the time. I don't really consider this good racing. I say bring back the tire wars now. At that point no tire manufacturer would dare to bring such mediocre tire to a race.
Tire wars... do you really just want to see the tires winning or losing, or wouldn't you rather it was more about driver/aero package/engine ? :)
Can we ban pit stops altogether and just have a race from start to finish?Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
Pffft come on, man, after what happened in Malaysia it is ridiculous to look for excuses for Massa anymore. He just has to follow Webber into retirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by CNR
Why didn't you post the part of that link that Felipe blames himself for tires that he couldn't control the blistering of, thus not being able to conserve them?Quote:
Originally Posted by CNR
Doesn't that fit into your thinly veiled petty Ferrari bashing?
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"That meant I lost ground to other cars and it was probably down to a problem linked to the track conditions and my driving style.
"All weekend, I haven't felt comfortable with these tyres and in the race, any attempts I made to save them was useless."
Massa believes he would have been in the podium hunt were it not for his pace on the medium tyres
We already have differentQuote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
Engines
KERS
Chasis
Pit crews
Drivers
Why not tires as well?
By the way, I don't really wish the tire war to be the decisive factor. What I want is to see tire manufacturers try to bring tires that allow the car to complete the race as fast as possible, whether it takes 0 pit stops or 5 pits stops, or anything between.. it's up to them. Instead we see these "show tires", tires that are meant to be an amusing and unpredictable handicap, being used for a second year in a row. Once Pirelli is competing with say Firestone, you know for sure they won't be bringing this joke tire to a race again.
In a tyre-war scenario, what would you do to prevent them being a decisive factor, as they were previously?Quote:
Originally Posted by zako85
One option that comes to mind is something like the current engine rules: regulate the design and construction so heavily that there is no room to gain anything more than a slender advantage. But then that's no different to now - with tyre performance essentially decided by the FIA.
People will always complain no matter what. I'd like those complainers to watch races from 1988, that was exciting! The fastest car would always win and the tires would not represent any kind of a problem. No artificial rule tweaks, just racing and pure excitement! (Two Mclarens a lap in front of everybody). 92 was even better!Quote:
Originally Posted by kfzmeister
88/89 wasn't so bad as there was good competition within McLaren team. As for other examples, you don't need to go all the way back to 92. Enough to see 2011 or some of Schummy's WDC years. So what? There were many years like that and there will be more. That's the way F1 has always been. That's not an excuse to dumb down the sport to the least common denominator using gimmicks such as five laps tires.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Donkey: Webbo's RR tyre not running over Vettel...
They were on the limit and if they wasn't it was usually to do with fuel consumption and not tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Genuinely felt sorry for Vettel. Even on the primes he was told how to race.Quote:
Originally Posted by kfzmeister
That's not racing.
The driver should decide when to push and not ask the team and be over-ruled.
But we're between a rock and a hard place. If its a boring race then its aero but there's too much overtaking it's joke tyres.
I must say RedBull overall were the donkeys. They underfill Webber's car during qualis, then set up Vettel with a bold but losing strategy. I don't get what was the point of this all. Alonso, Raikkonen, and Hamilton all started from the top 2 rows, and this is pretty much where they ended up finishing, so Vettel's convoluted strategy of saving tires for the race didn't buy him anything at all.
Partly because the tyres are so crap this year and partly this year's car has a habit of eating its tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by zako85
In Malaysia Vettel had superior tyre strategy over Webber. Last year Vettel used the alternate strategy and nearly won in Monaco.
I agree with pretty much all of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by zako85
I could have written this.Quote:
Originally Posted by zako85
This is spot on.
This too.Quote:
Originally Posted by zako85
Could this be that the tires brought to the Chinese race were simply the wrong ones ?
By that , I mean that perhaps they chose the tires expecting cooler weather ?
Given the conditions , would the medium/hard combo have been better than the soft/medium one ?
Was it warmer than expected ?
Or , is there another reason that the track was more abrasive than normal ?
I guess it's just that I'm getting a little tired of the constant droning over the tires ruining the sport that goes on around here .
Get over it .
The FIA asked for these tires and got what they wanted .
Pirelli must be getting pretty sick of it as well .
Everyone gets the same deal .
Of course they got it slightly wrong in China , but it can't be an easy thing to do , making a tire that survives a specific number of laps .
Relax , and relish the fact that we sat on the edge of our seats due to Vettel's charge at the end , due to them having to run different tires , one's with vast differences in performance .
But honestly. Re Webber.
Were it Vettel running behind Vergne the team would have advised Vergne to move over for the senior team. Webber? No such thing. Vergne leaves a gap that the Queen Mary would have moved through and wonders why Webber gave it a shot. Then, mid-corner, Vergne turns in to Webber.
There is NO DOUBT Webber was late and did not have his car far enough around to make the move, but, really. It's their baby team. Surely some can see Webbers point that he felt Vergne had moved over to let him through. You guys should take a look at the move again. Webber is in the wrong, but Vergne certainly played a card too. Against another team Webber had no right to be there, but against STR?
Again, had it been Vettel we would be all annoyed with Vergne for closing the door on him.
PS: Webber, from the back of the grid, was ahead of Vettel at that point.
The problem is (as I've written before) that in this day and age people will turn away from the sport and it will die if it's not exciting. There is just so much entertainment from which to choose from. Watching a dominant car go around the same corners 56 times is actually quite boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by zako85
Because they are the most decisive component of a formula one car, and an outsourced component.Quote:
Originally Posted by zako85
Marko would have paid him a personal visit in his garage and told him that that was absolutely not acceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari
Sergio Perez and Jensen Button - Why Oh Why did I choose them for my team. Is it true one driver can affect a team that much (meaning - Hamilton had McL up near the podium. Where have they been since he left?).
Actually - Webber for me. He was too optimistic about that move.