Just as he was in Malaysia. If the team says that overtaking his team mate is verboten, it's a bit of a useless achievement, isn't it?`Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
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Just as he was in Malaysia. If the team says that overtaking his team mate is verboten, it's a bit of a useless achievement, isn't it?`Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
Its good to see a couple of you aren't prepared to give Lewis more than two races to settle into the team and perhaps reach his potential.
Yes, seems Nico has got the car working better for him than Lewis. Maybe Lewis has a learning curve at the moment...?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Begs the question why his team mate isn't allowed to use his car knowledge advantage. For Mercedes, Malaysia has been quite the PR desaster in Germany. Way to go - first time 3rd and 4th and they completely undo it by blatant race fixing. German media are going ape**** about the race fixing.Quote:
Originally Posted by P3ws
Lewis will be learning for only 1-2 more races. Then will begin putting 0,5-1s/lap on his teammate.Quote:
Originally Posted by P3ws
yep and until then he'll be kept artificially infront of his team mate. Why does everybody think that Nico cannot keep up with Lewis? So far he's been way more consistent and faster most of the times. His only problem is that overtaking the golden boy is verboten.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Did they go nuts about Austria 2002 too? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
We've only had one race so far where one Merc was told to hold station behind the other. If the positions are swapped and Rosberg has to nurse it home ahead of a quicker Hamilton who is then allowed to pass his teammate by the team then we'll know that Hamilton is being favoured. Until then I think Mercedes were simply playing it safe in Sepang and I don't blame them at all for their actions.
Mercedes have a good problem on their hands. Rosberg to me seems to be the real deal and a match for Lewis. They need to get the most out of them whilst making sure they do not take points off each other and the team. So far they are doing that well.
It seems the German tabloid press are making far more waves than the inner F1 community concerning this. Hardly surprising though as the British equivalent will use any opportunity to reach out to the more casual fans when something remotely controversial happens.
They raised holy hell about it. Austria 2002 is the very reason, why team orders are as popular in Germany like a Serbian bean soup in a Croatian restaurant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
For me it's obvious that right now Nico has the advantage in how the car/team works, and I have to say even with that advantage staying ahead of Lewis has earned more respect from me than I have ever given Nico in the past. In my eyes this is his first true test against a top notch driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
With that said, I think Lewis will in time develop the car setup to his liking and overcome Nico in many if not most races. If he doesn't it will just reinforce to me that Nico has been underrated by me in the past.
Brawn said this :
"I didn't like having to give the orders I gave in Malaysia, it's not in my sporting nature and I think the team have demonstrated many times in the past that we are very happy to let our drivers race each other," .
"From a technical perspective, we would have looked extremely foolish if we'd run both cars out of fuel,".
Read: Blah, Blah, yadda, yadda...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Though that was a very technical perspective , and thus , a very well-reasoned argument , I must disagree .Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Given that there were reportedly also fuel issues involved with the pair of drivers just ahead of them , and also given that there were no laps spent under full yellows , even though this race started wet , it's entirely possible that Ross isn't being the lying ******* to which you "Blah, Blah, yadda, yadda..." .
When Ross told Nico that Lewis could go faster , too , perhaps he didn't want to say "but , don't , you ninny , because you'll run yourself out of fuel !" .
Isn't it better , after all , to not have your opponent know you're hobbled by fuel , and think it's just a pre-race agreement ?
Nah , maybe you're right .
He said to Lewis that he needs "max fuel save" just moments after telling Nico that Lewis could go faster if needed. So what's left there to guess? And if I can hear it on TV, what's the chance that their rival somehow miss this little detail?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
To me it still looks like Brawn is a lying pr*ck.
furthermore, he has the evidence to back this up. I remember quite a few tangles between Rosberg and Schumi in the past 2 seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
But, hey, why let the truth and reasoned arguments get in the way of some nationalistic crusade
me thinks that if the roles were reverse that same poster would be applauding the decision and lambasting anybody who has the audacity to complain about it
Well then , perhaps he was talking about the fuel , but to save telling them about another issue that may have been hobbling them .Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
The real point is that we don't know .
You of all people accusing me of nationalism, that really takes the cake. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
I would be just as apalled if the roles were reversed, because I actually started to like Lewis, once he got his head out of his arse after the shambles of a season in 2011. As I wrote on more than one occasion it's not the fact that Nico was on the receiving end - it's the useless team order itself that po's me. Many of us, myself included, lambasted Ferrari for Austria 2002 and suddenly team orders become acceptable in just the second race. That's just wrong.
http://i.imgur.com/Tu1E6jE.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Zako85
:s tareup:
I think that is partly because you have on occasion accused others of nationalism here on various topics yet are the first to bring it up. Now we have a situation on track where a German owned team favours a British driver over a German one and you are 'appalled' by it. You even brought up the fact the German press and people you know are annoyed that a German wasn't favoured instead. Don't be at all surprised if your past accusations get returned every once in a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
As far as this particular topic goes, its old news now and has been done to death. I think we all know where one another stands by now.
I do think that Lewis is just a bit more highly effective --can power a team to achieve just a bit more than NR. It will be interesting to see how this functions out . . . . . .
It's possible his experience could have this effect on the team. But personally I think the main fault of Lewis in the past has been his ability to keep a clear head at times, which might also be destructive to a team. If he can keep his head behind it I think he has the talent to challenge for championships on a regular basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schmit612
I'm interested to see how this team rivalry progresses. We already know for sure Lewis is very talented, and I'm hoping my past opinion that I wasn't sure about Nico is proven wrong.
Rosberg has shown that he can be very fast, but there is one thing, which has made me scratch my head about him – it is that he can struggle to deliver in Q3. It is not about the first qualifying sessions this year, this is something I have noticed in the long-run. Just as an example I remember he put in a stunning lap in Brazil 2011 in Q2 with second fastest time, but couldn't repeat it in Q3 and was somewhere like 6th or 7th on the grid.
It looks like one-hour qualifying session is a more complicated chess-game than it superficially looks like. It is not banging in a flier, but more about building yourself up during the whole session, learning about conditions and car with every run, and then delivering your best on the very last attempt. A skill, which I have noticed for instance Senna, Häkkinen and Vettel have/had mastered well. During the qualifying session you can never forget about the on-going learning process and big picture - you can't put everything on the table too early without being able to repeat it.
Perhaps Rosberg can improve in this as well, because evidently he has the speed. Maybe competing against Hamilton – a real qualifying ace – can give him the proper inspiration and insight to really raise his game on this level. But obviously there is a lot of speed in Nico somewhere, which he has been struggling to unleash properly.
Overall an interesting battle. Rosberg is younger than Button and can prove to be even a stronger rival to Hamilton in the long-run. And considering, how close Button was (even scored more points, though with the help of luck), it would be very impressive.
This more points statistic with Button Vs Hamilton is a load of nonsense because over three years it means absolutely nothing. It doesn't take into account the multitude of failures Hamilton suffered at the hands of his McLaren last year. It's one of the most desperate points I see Button fan's making when struggling to argue they would rather have Button drive for them than Hamilton. Clearly the quicker and better driver of the two is Hamilton. The more points over three years stat means nothing. Hamilton was clearly ahead of Button last year and in 2010. Fact is Hamilton beat him in 2 years out of 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
I am not arguing against Hamilton being better than Button as I am aware lots of circumstances contribute to the final points tally. My point is that if you manage to outscore a driver over a three-year-period (which is quite long in F1 terms, instead of a single season anomaly), then you have to perform at least quite close. It is not comparable to Massa, who could get only about 50% of Alonso's points over the same period.
Who knows. The rift between Alonso and Massa over the past three years is significant. The rift between them from mid-2012 until now doesn't seem so big. I think we need to watch the rest of 2013 season to decide if Massa's recent resurgence was a random fluke or a long lasting phenomenon.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
Top off both cars and race. That simple. Jezz!
Spot on Henners. Time to move on to the Chinese GP this weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Right then. Who thinks Merc will ask Lewis to let Nico by this weekend. :D
If you could see past your bias towards Lewis, you would have noticed that Jens did in fact state that luck had a part in Jenson besting Lewis in points. I think Lewis is a better driver, but it doesn't force me to assume a hidden meaning when someone posts... I assume only that they posted what they intended.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
The point Jens was making was quite clear to me. Even in your view Lewis was better 2 years out of 3. That means that in that third year Jenson fairly beat a very good and usually well respected driver.
I think there is a larger chance that Ross will forget year it is, and tell Felipe to yield to Micheal. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by steveaki13
Well , petulant Seb has admitted what he did was wrong .
"I appologised to the team straight afterwards for putting myself above the team, which I didn't mean to do. There's not really much more to say."
But then , he became petulant Seb again , saying :
"I don't appologise for winning. I think that's why people employed me in the first place and why I'm here. I love racing and that's what I do."
No lesson learned there then .
Trouble ahead for RedBull .
But then , every script needs a bad guy .
Well Bagwan Lewis is still on extended break from being the bad guy so Seb will have to do for now :D
Hamilton cancelled his media engagements in China this Thursday due to illness. Hope he's okay for tomorrow and the race.
I'm well aware of the point Jens was making and I wasn't attacking him. If you read my post properly you'll see I said "It's one of the most desperate points I see Button fan's making". It was a point I was making about that argument in general and I was not saying I disagreed with anything in Jens post :)Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
That's very true, but I would have given that year more credit had Jenson beaten an on-form Lewis Hamilton and taken a really good fight to him. Jenson was consistent and found a groove that year, whereas Lewis was uncharacteristically inconsistent IMO. I think that was the turning point for Lewis and the start of him looking elsewhere for employment. Hats off to Jenson, but I don't feel this points tally over three years only supports an agenda if you believe a driver only makes their own luck. I am a firm believer in luck often being out of ones control.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
In that case my mistake TBK, I read it as though you might be considering Jens one of the Jenson supporters looking for those excuses in comparisons. But I must admit being consistent is a good trait for a racer, and thus far has been one of Hamiltons weaker points. His racecraft and abilities are obviously strong, but between the "red mist" attitude and sometimes simply over driving for no apparent reason he often reduces his results. Hopefully it has been a lesson for him and the consistency and driving with a cooler head will prevail in the future.
I think he has proven he has changed over the past 22 races. He's been consistent for over a season now.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
That I can agree with... hopefully he is done making mistake of his own decisions.
Interesting that Rosberg was considerably quicker than Hamilton again today and by quite some margin in both session. I think Hamilton will have trouble living with Rosberg around this track. It appears that Rosberg owns it.
*EDIT*
Just received an update that Lewis's health isn't 100% back to normal. Hopefully he'll be fully recovered by qualifying tomorrow.
Did you not see the 2012 season? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
I'm rooting for Rosberg this race - would like to see Brawn regret holding him back in Malaysia.