Team Orders

I don´t like teamorders but they has always been in F1 some way or the other. Better have them as now, in the open, and yesterday they was in the open.

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

I reckon Hamilton brought at least 7 tenths with him, what? :p

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Correct. Six of those seven tenths were taken from Alonso, which is why he is behind Felipe thus far this year.

The team's objective is either to secure as many points for a driver to win the WDC or the team for the WCC. What we saw in Malaysia was two teams where irrespective of if they'd had either driver finish before or aft of the other, the total number of constructor's points would have been identical.
From the teams' perspective, it was safer to have both cars finish than either or both cars binned.

Drivers have an ego the size of Belgium but if they defy team orders too often, would they find themselves on the unemployment queue?

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

Did you get commas cheaply in a yard sale? Btw if you say 'the German' you should realize that Rosberg is one, too ;) You make some good points, but the rest of your rant is a wee bit painted in nationalism.
Hamilton has absolutely nothing to do with the upturn in the Mercedes fortunes. When he joined them at the start of the year the car was already done except for a bit of fine-tuning.
Mark looks like a weak racer, because he is one. He can steamroll the whole field on his day - expertly proven last year at Monaco and Silverstone - but he is way too inconsistent to challengefor titles. And he's the last to demand anything. Sulking now that Vettel has crapped in his salad makes him look like a hypocrit. We are talking about the man, who before last year's Brazil GP announced to the world that he'll do nothing to help his team mate and promptly acted accordingly on the track despite being told by his team to back off. Crying foul now makes him look like a complete tool.

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Webber is entitled to be upset about this one regardless of past incidents. They don't even come into it. The team were undermined more than anybody in this incident which is why it is getting so much fuss made out of it. Earlier it was stated that Webber ignored team orders at Silverstone 2 years ago and challenged his team mate yet is was clarified that Webber did indeed maintain the gap after he was told to do so. Comparing past instances is only valid if the variables are similar in outcome. Suggesting Webber is a hypocrite and a complete tool for being upset in no way deflects who the real 'tool' was on Sunday. I have the greatest respect for Vettel and he will recover his damaged reputation, but right now he has to find answers for the many questions he will face for the remainder of the season.

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

Btw if you say 'the German' you should realize that Rosberg is one, too ;)

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Well, actually he holds dual nationality being half Finnish.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

I think your first sentence contradicts the remainder of your post.

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No. If the team orders their drivers that there are no team orders then that too is a team order. :P

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Well, actually he holds dual nationality being half Finnish.

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True. But when asked about his nationality, he says German as he never grew up in Finnland. I think he doesn't even speak finnish properly.

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

True. But when asked about his nationality, he says German as he never grew up in Finnland. I think he doesn't even speak finnish properly.

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Indeed, he grew up in Monaco mostly.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Indeed, he grew up in Monaco mostly.

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But for that he's speaking quite a mean German :D Better than me actually. He must have spent quite some time in Germanyland though, because his father has a very atrocious accent, while Nico has no accent at all and speaks English wis ze typical German accent. He raced with a finnish license in junior formulae but switched to a German license later on. I'd say he is probably the most European of all european drivers :D

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

But for that he's speaking quite a mean German :D Better than me actually. He must have spent quite some time in Germanyland though, because his father has a very atrocious accent, while Nico has no accent at all and speaks English wis ze typical German accent. He raced with a finnish license in junior formulae but switched to a German license later on. I'd say he is probably the most European of all european drivers :D

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Well according to Hamilton, Nico speaks 7 languages so he must be well travelled. Nico had the upper hand on Lewis during their early teens because he could speak to most international journalists after their karting events. It was mentioned in an interview during the last race that Lewis was often the butt of jokes when Nico would say he had said something to one journalist in say Italian, when in fact it was something completely different. Hamilton of course only speaks English, perhaps American too by now lol :)

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Originally Posted by henners88

Well according to Hamilton, Nico speaks 7 languages so he must be well travelled. Nico had the upper hand on Lewis during their early teens because he could speak to most international journalists after their karting events. It was mentioned in an interview during the last race that Lewis was often the butt of jokes when Nico would say he had said something to one journalist in say Italian, when in fact it was something completely different. Hamilton of course only speaks English, perhaps American too by now lol :)

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Trust me, give it two years and Lewis will speak German, too :D Mercedes seems to put some importance in that. Well that and the fact that many of my compatriots speak with such an atrocious accent that Lewis will find it preferable to listen to them in German *lol*

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

Trust me, give it two years and Lewis will speak German, too :D Mercedes seems to put some importance in that. Well that and the fact that many of my compatriots speak with such an atrocious accent that Lewis will find it preferable to listen to them in German *lol*

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Perhaps he will yeah. Saying that most of the work force in Brackley is British but for marketing trips to Germany it would be a huge advantage for him no doubt.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Perhaps he will yeah. Saying that most of the work force in Brackley is British but for marketing trips to Germany it would be a huge advantage for him no doubt.

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One thing that will definitely happen is Lewis starring in Mercedes comercials. They did it with Erja and Mika Häkkinen back in the day and some of them were absolutely hilarious. Hearing Mika speak German with that finnish accent *lol* and i mean that in a good way.

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

One thing that will definitely happen is Lewis starring in Mercedes comercials. They did it with Erja and Mika Häkkinen back in the day and some of them were absolutely hilarious. Hearing Mika speak German with that finnish accent *lol* and i mean that in a good way.

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Yeah he'll do more adverts for them I'm sure.

Of course Lewis has already done TV adverts for Mercedes in his role at McLaren:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLkYxEuH4IQ

:D

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...16025009_n.jpg

Got to get me one of these :D

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Originally Posted by wedge

No. If the team orders their drivers that there are no team orders then that too is a team order. :P

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I don't understand. Why would a team order their drivers there are no team orders if there are no team orders? and then you tell me that is a team order! which contradicts the no team orders arrangement. :confused:

there is a way to punish vettel stick him in a toro rosso for a race red bull would still get points with one of the toro rosso drivers

I don't like team orders, but I understand them. If I was paying huge sums of money to run a team, I would not want any form of risky behavior to compromise my cars/drivers/points/money from Bernie.

I can live with team orders a lot better than I can live with crappy, self-disintegrating tires that really make the "racing" artificial.

I don't see a difference between team orders and race fixing. And there can only be one punishment for race fixing...

The benefits for winning the Constructors' Championship are huge. The money is huge, the attraction for endorsements are huge, and the pit lane position is great also. Besides they get people to buy and drink that Red Bull goop.

Why wouldn't Horner have team orders? It is legal now, and with those crappy tyres and no refueling, it's the way to go.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

The benefits for winning the Constructors' Championship are huge. The money is huge, the attraction for endorsements are huge, and the pit lane position is great also. Besides they get people to buy and drink that Red Bull goop.

Why wouldn't Horner have team orders? It is legal now, and with those crappy tyres and no refueling, it's the way to go.

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Before the arrival of Pirelli, team orders were only good for two things - getting one driver ahead for the championship or keeping two inept drivers from piling into each other. Now with those clown tires we have a third one - stop racing, so the tires will last longer than 5 laps. That's the real lesson we learned at Malaysia. Pirelli has finally made a mockery of F1.

I'm not sure I like all this "BAD" about Pirelli tyres. Apart from anything else, my Volvo came equipped with Pirelli tyres, and I find all this very worrisome. :(

Valve, Pirelli make fantastic passenger car, and motorcycle tires. I wouldn't worry about them on your Volvo. My motorcycle came with Pirelli tires, and only switched to Michelin because Pirelli are so damned expensive. They are only providing these quickly deteriorating tires to F1 because that is what Bernie and Co requested.

I think they should let the drivers drive, but at the same time they are very good for strategy! Vettel is arrogant though and i think he embarrassed himself in that grand prix