Why you guys think that Kubica is so good? I think he can be happy if he can do better season than Kimi did.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
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Why you guys think that Kubica is so good? I think he can be happy if he can do better season than Kimi did.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
I too believe Kubica is overated by many. He has potential but people expecting anything great from him next year will probably be let down. However, i think RS was alluding to the fact that kubica will more than likely do a better job than Evans on tarmac more than him personally thinking Kubica is great already. I could be wrong though :)? But Msport will be really weak if its Mikko and Evans on all tarmac rallies next year...Quote:
Originally Posted by Allar
Correct. And possibly Mikko too but it would depend on him being able to keep it on the road for a whole rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
I believe that if life gives you lemons, you should make lemonade... And try to find somebody whose life has given them vodka, and have a party.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Ron White
make up you mind, kid
Am I the only one who thinks the C-Elysee livery looks ghastly?Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
Looks more like a plain testing livery, and hopefully is one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
New boss, new people.
http://www.maxrally.com/2013/12/17/citr ... eplacement
Will Lefebvre survive as a C3 driver, or should they do the same as M-Sport has done with Camilli, let him mature in WRC2?
Should be binned for Andreas now. Put him in a R5 or even the ds3 for the rest of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
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Now Lefebvre has ben given enough chances, he need to go R5 NOW!
and he is OUTQuote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Any more news on Mikkelsens C3 test?
- More film?
- Comments from driver?
- Comments from team?
How many test-km did he end up with getting?
Would a Reiger set-up be a bolt on solution, that the team could put on a test mule to compare differences with current dampers?
Or would they need to adjust anything mechanically on the car?
change the title into arab mobile billboard of nobodies....
its not so simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Matton on Belgian TV now: "I think there is a future for Andreas at Citroen. Discussions are on"
Toyota made really fat points this weekend. There is a 46 points gap between them and Citroen now. They need a miracle not to come last the way it is going.
Question is if Andreas thinks the same. Probably yes for this year, but for next?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fly
EDIT: Paddon has contract for 2018 (last year)
Hanninen only has a deal for this year
So prbly the negotiations are between Citroen and Toyota. (Provided Ogier stays where he is)
Ogier said he would leave if Ford didn't come in as a works team, and that is apparently looking iffy.
where is he leaving ?
That is the question. I hope Ford are not gambling on it because the guy knows what he's worth and according to Wilson M-Sport won't be able to afford that without backing from Ford for another year. I guess he would go to Citroen if Ford doesn't pay up.Quote:
Originally Posted by bugwrx
It's really silly they wouldn't even have to invest THAT much. Just pay his wages and make sure M-Sport have enough dough to keep the Fiesta at a similar level as the i20. But they miserably failed before when Sainz and McRae were forced to leave because of late decisions in 2002 and then Märtin and Duval in 2004. Ford have some real slow people in their offices. Also look at the crashing and burning of the F1 Jaguar project. They always have huge potential, invest too little too late and make a complete faff of it.
He probably isn't in a position to dictate...Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
To pin the Citroën handling issues on Öhlins is in my opinion wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Then you need to know how a damper manufacturer works for a works team.
Öhlins can build Citroën any damper they want.
Its obvious that the Citroën is a very fast rally car. But its also obvious that it has a narrow operating window, or a small envelope. Andreas performance - or lack of - showed that in Sardinia.
What causes this is - in my mind - is not just a "couple of clicks" or "a set of Reigers" away to be fixed, but something more fundamental.
This can be a design strategy, this can be a damper strategy, it can be geometry, it can be many things. But one thing is for sure, is thats its not an easy fix.
But on the other hand, Citroën Sport has some of the Worlds best engineers, so they have a good chance.
I think Andreas drive in Citroën was very important, and (even though I thought he would fight at the top at once) I must give him credit for having the big balls that is needed to drive within your comfort zone. That takes some real guts.
But this is important, because now Citroën can see what a top of the level driver - that comes from the best modern WRC car - will think of the Citroën. And that gives Citroën something to work on from.
Kris Meeke is a hell of a fast driver, and is - like his Irish and British speed colleagues that has just finished this years Isle Of Man TT - willing to lay his neck on the line every time. When you have an attitude that would bacically mean that you would drive a even a wheel barrow fast (and have a reputation for crashing) that can mean that you camouflage problems - so the engineers dont know how big they are.
And when your two other drivers are young (though in Breens case very, very talented), they dont have the experience to say what is good and what is not. They have no bench mark.
Bringing Andreas in is the logical solution, and in my mind that would mean Lefebvre would sit on the bench. He needs a lot more development before he is ready to tackle the WRC, and the trio Andreas, Meeke, and Breen would be very good.
Mikkelsen to replace Meeke in Poland!!! WOW!!!
Hard to see the logic.. for me this shows what a mess Citroen are in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Meeke dropped for Poland.
Totally agree. Yes, the results have been disastrous, but it's really hard to see the advantage of running Lefebvre instead of Meeke under any conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
Quite drastic for Meeke. But maybe he needs some change of mind.
EDIT: The last 3 rallies he was told to just focus on single events and crashed 4 times in them. Surely it's not a good idea to continue like that?
4 days of testing sound like a very good idea. It also confirms what Lundefaret wrote above, they need some other input to improve the car. This is confirmed by the fact that Meeke is not to take part in the test.
sounds so strange for me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
Tbh there is quite a lot of info in the Citroen release, both written and in-between the lines:
"Before the start, we asked our drivers to make it to the end of the rally. I don't think we were wrong to think that if they managed to do that, we would end up with two cars in the top five," explained Yves Matton, Citroën Racing Team Principal. "Unfortunately, Kris was unable to adopt the pace required to have an error-free race. After the opening stages, he felt comfortable in the car and said that his pace was consistent with the targets set. Clearly, he has failed to maintain it."
Well that didn't take long, will it help Citroen/Meeke/both? what do you think guys?
Things can't get any worse can they? I thing it's good they try drastic changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Much better than telling Meeke after Corsica that he should just push and go for single even wins. I.e. you don't tell a drunk to get in better mood by buying some beers.
Ive also just heard from a contact in service area, that some Citroen engineers have been sacked.
Tbh, surprisingly (now it isn't but at the beginning of the season it was) Citroen are the most disappointing team this season. They had the most time to test the car, it didn't seem to have any issues while testing and at the end come round 8, they sit last in the manu. table with Breen leading their way. They probably left out Meeke in Poland for the same reason they have Lefebvre here, Meeke hasn't done the rally last year while the 2 others have done the rally & finished,sort of so....and Mikkelsen won the rally last year and if he gets a proper testing session before hand we might be able to see some improvement next time out in Poland.
Totally the right thing to do. This will do well for both parties.
^^ Talking about drastic changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
Were they arguing with Breen, Lefebvre etc. that the car and setup is just fine?
In that light it might actually be a blessing for Lefebvre that Mikkelsen came around. Else it might have destroyed his starting career. (He was not much worse than Breen last year).
Btw. what is FX doing? Only building Polo R5? Think his phone is ringing already?
It's not because they think Lefebvre is quicker, it's to enable Meeke to get over whatever is going wrong in his head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Shame but too many accidents in 2017 and it cant go on..