[WRC] Rally Finland 2013

One main reason why route is like it is comes from teams... They don't want remote services. COC Tarkiainen asked about teams that what kind of rally they want and now it is like they wanted... Without remote service there is no chance to do more stages. Of course there is a chance to drive more different stages but there is very difficult to find totally new stages near Jyväskylä... All possible stages are driven many times in previous years. Second reason is that organizers want that most of the spectators stays where they are all day. There are so many spectators that if everyone moves to another stage there is hell of a traffic jam...

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Originally Posted by donlorean

Second reason is that organizers want that most of the spectators stays where they are all day. There are so many spectators that if everyone moves to another stage there is hell of a traffic jam...

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Well, moving between stages is for me at least always fun, you never know will you be on time or not for the stage you're going to. And staying at the same place for the whole day is a bit like watching circuit racing.

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Originally Posted by Franky

Well, moving between stages is for me at least always fun, you never know will you be on time or not for the stage you're going to. And staying at the same place for the whole day is a bit like watching circuit racing.

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There are people that go spectating rallies and people that read this forum and go spectating rallies. Of course moving between stages, planning it all, is always more than half of the fun :-)

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Originally Posted by Hartusvuori

There are people that go spectating rallies and people that read this forum and go spectating rallies. Of course moving between stages, planning it all, is always more than half of the fun :-)

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Well, this is the reason why I just love winter rallies. I was together with one friend and our equipment was: Primus, 10m long rope, shovel, 2 pairs of cross-country skis, snowshoes :-) We used them all! For one stage we parked the car on the parallel road, took the skis, found some snow-mobile tracks 1.5 km skiing, then we changed our skis to snowshoes and jumped on the snow-piles :-) That was quick, fun and comfortable!

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Originally Posted by Franky

Well, moving between stages is for me at least always fun, you never know will you be on time or not for the stage you're going to. And staying at the same place for the whole day is a bit like watching circuit racing.

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Of course it is... That's the way I like i also but that time is gone in Rally Finland. Unfortunately... I think that problem is not those true rally fan's who chance place from the stage to stage... Problem is when all other 70-80% of spectators are going to do the same...

Extra events for Rally Finland, Nelivetomies (old WRC and FIN R 4WD) and Vetomies (Gr.F, 2WD) will be run joint with the main event this year. 4WD oldies will run in Friday and Saturday between WRC cars on all stages run twice. On Saturday 2WD Vetomies drivers will run after 4WD Vetomies drivers on each of the 4 stages. Maximum entries are 30 for 4WD and 50 for 2WD, altogether 80. Top drivers from Suomi Cup (FRCs oldies cup) and F-Cup will get priority in the entries so that all the best would be tackling the stages.

Vetomies is back!

Extra events for Rally Finland, Nelivetomies (old WRC and FIN R 4WD) and Vetomies (Gr.F, 2WD) will be run joint with the main event this year. 4WD oldies will run in Friday and Saturday between WRC cars on all stages run twice. On Saturday 2WD Vetomies drivers will run after 4WD Vetomies drivers on each of the 4 stages. Maximum entries are 30 for 4WD and 50 for 2WD, altogether 80. Top drivers from Suomi Cup (FRCs oldies cup) and F-Cup will get priority in the entries so that all the best would be tackling the stages.

Vetomies is back!

Booked!
Tuesday till sunday, we found some Student Dorm in Jyvaskala to stay :)

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Originally Posted by donlorean

One main reason why route is like it is comes from teams... They don't want remote services. COC Tarkiainen asked about teams that what kind of rally they want and now it is like they wanted... Without remote service there is no chance to do more stages. Of course there is a chance to drive more different stages but there is very difficult to find totally new stages near Jyväskylä... All possible stages are driven many times in previous years. Second reason is that organizers want that most of the spectators stays where they are all day. There are so many spectators that if everyone moves to another stage there is hell of a traffic jam...

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Having one stage near Lahti makes things look the opposite though. It´s only a very long liason down to Lahti and could instead render in new stages.

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Having one stage near Lahti makes things look the opposite though. It´s only a very long liason down to Lahti and could instead render in new stages.

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Last year it was more like that. Now it's one short stage and one proper stage on the way to and back from Lahti. Of course there could always be more, but this year's Thursday schedule much more logical than last year. SS Himos in its new form is okeyish spectator stage, kind of like SS Laajavuori. First half of the stage is basically hillclimb, and once you get on top, there's only one way - down. There are few corners worth considering on the first part. The downhill part was hard to recce now as it's still covered in snow (or was two weeks ago).

I saw him live in Portugal last weekend, and truelly he is very fast as the guy who drove for a first time on a gravel

COC Kai Tarkiainen tells a little more about how SS Himos 2 will be run. So, there'll be heats of 5-7 drivers starting the stage with 30-second intervals. The 5 km stage will be run in two loops and once the last driver of each heat will start the second loop, a new heat will start.

It's 2,5 kms uphill and then of course 2,5 kms downhill, so hopefully timing will be good for each heat, perhaps something between 2,5-3 minutes is right for one loop. Of course this leaves a lot of questions, both sport and safety related, but nevertheless, it'll be interesting to spectate live. Tarkiainen says the downhill part, a newly remade service road on the ski hill, will be "wild experience" for the drivers too. Rally Radio was today making their recce and said via FB that it's not yet possible to drive the downhill part with road car. Once I'll see the downhill section I'll make a decision whether to do SS Torittu and SS Himos 2 on Thursday or both runs of Himos.

I know that on gravel it's a bit different case due to the dust but for example shakedown in Barum rally has been plenty of times run in 30 seconds intervals even when it was like 5 km long and I don't remember anyone complaining.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

I know that on gravel it's a bit different case due to the dust but for example shakedown in Barum rally has been plenty of times run in 30 seconds intervals even when it was like 5 km long and I don't remember anyone complaining.

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I'm more worried how it'll work when driver comes for second loop and there might be driver in front with less than 30 seconds. Finnish rallysprints run with 30 second intervals on snow, tarmac and gravel and in most times, dust is not an issue.

Who is going to win ? :)

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Originally Posted by Hartusvuori

I'm more worried how it'll work when driver comes for second loop and there might be driver in front with less than 30 seconds. Finnish rallysprints run with 30 second intervals on snow, tarmac and gravel and in most times, dust is not an issue.

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I think that biggest problem is that road is new and there is suppose to drive totally 3 rounds/240-300 times... New roads are usually quite soft in first few years so it's not going to be fun for last cars...

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Originally Posted by donlorean

I think that biggest problem is that road is new and there is suppose to drive totally 3 rounds/240-300 times... New roads are usually quite soft in first few years so it's not going to be fun for last cars...

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It'll absolutely be soft, of course based not a real experience. Considering it's a road that's underneath a ski slope from November to April, it's not a normal road. Even the normal road on Himos area are soft, Was it 2009 with that one right-hander and around 20 offs....?

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Originally Posted by Hartusvuori

It'll absolutely be soft, of course based not a real experience. Considering it's a road that's underneath a ski slope from November to April, it's not a normal road. Even the normal road on Himos area are soft, Was it 2009 with that one right-hander and around 20 offs....?

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I was there... :) It was not a normal road for Himos stages though, very narrow and loose compared to the faster sections on Himos stages, of course depending on which course and roads that are choosen on Himos.

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Originally Posted by Hartusvuori

Even the normal road on Himos area are soft, Was it 2009 with that one right-hander and around 20 offs....?

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It was 2008... It wasn't very soft part. Small road and start went quite bad but worst part of that stage(Vaheri) was in middle section. Small road and lot of stones... I was co-driver that year in VW Polo and I think that main reason why there was so many off's was that in recce there was lot of dust... During recce weather was very hot and all roads was very dry. On that stage we were 2nd or 3rd car in recce and we saw that this right hander tightens a little over the crest. And when we did our second lap in recce there was so much dust that visibility was only 20-30m... We knew that it's impossible to do good pacenotes and see that it tightens... We told our friends that go to watch in that corner... And in rally we put some heat to our nearest competitor and told that now we start to push because they were about 30sek ahead of us... They rolled in that right hander;-))))))))))))))))))))))))))

He, he... It was very soft in that corner. Particulary after 50 cars. The tracks were about 20-30 cm deep, but not for the first cars of course. I remember Mikko and Loeb hanged with left rear in ditch. But JML went off. After having had a bad start first day he should take the pace second day but this was first stage in the morning and he lost about one minute because he got stuck.

And Aava hit a small tree and did a 180 degree in his sudden stop. After that every car more or less was in that ditch, which became less dangerous but still made those running too fast big problems. Will never forget that morning in Haveri...

Me and my son did our own recce there two days before and my son said this is going to be tuff place. While I had a bend about 500m away. When coming to that stage on race-day every local guy was there with ropes and gloves, so we knew directly we should stay at that place...

The official Rallyradio (YLE Rallyradio) went to SS Himos with Rally Finland's Deputy Clerk of the Course Kari Nuutinen. Comments are of course in Finnish but at least you can get a glimpse of the special stage.

Yle Ralliradio: Himoksen EK-esittely | Yle Keski-Suomi | Tv | Areena | yle.fi

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Originally Posted by Rallisauna

The official Rallyradio (YLE Rallyradio) went to SS Himos with Rally Finland's Deputy Clerk of the Course Kari Nuutinen. Comments are of course in Finnish but at least you can get a glimpse of the special stage.

Yle Ralliradio: Himoksen EK-esittely | Yle Keski-Suomi | Tv | Areena | yle.fi

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Can you kind of put it in Youtube, because I don´t think it´s sent abroad of Finland?

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Can you kind of put it in Youtube, because I don´t think it´s sent abroad of Finland?

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Edit: It worked alright when I started from yle.fi.

Works in the Netherlands ;)

A new way of transportation to a spectator area or as spectator areas are called in Finland, animal stall. :)

Rally Finland ‏@RallyFinland2h
Ever taken a skilift to watch #WRC rally in summer? Never mind, we'll soon fix that! #Himos #RallyFinland


Support event:

Rally Finland ‏@RallyFinland4h
Waiting for the first 2-litre turbo #WRC entry to our support event Nelivetomies! Will it be FIN, SWE, EST, GB, ITA, FRA...?

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Originally Posted by OldF

A new way of transportation to a spectator area or as spectator areas are called in Finland, animal stall. :)

Rally Finland ‏@RallyFinland2h
Ever taken a skilift to watch #WRC rally in summer? Never mind, we'll soon fix that! #Himos #RallyFinland


Support event:

Rally Finland ‏@RallyFinland4h
Waiting for the first 2-litre turbo #WRC entry to our support event Nelivetomies! Will it be FIN, SWE, EST, GB, ITA, FRA...?

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Well, i never did it in Finland OldF, but i took skilift to go and watch one SS in Rallye du Mont Blanc. But i must say that most of lifts are open over there in summer due to mountainbike downhillers. :D

One of the first years in Germany you even had a skilift to a stage if I'm right :)

Rumours tweeting that Ott Tänak might start in Finland with Fiesta WRC. Tänak Attack would be nice addition.

Estonian Kristen Kelement has started the entry to rally Finland with his co-driver Timo Kasesalu.
I googled him and he has been driving some rallies in his home country and also some rallysprint.

https://akk.autourheilu.fi/Public/Ki...id=3368&edit=0 click "osallistujat" to check the entries.

But where is Fabrizio?

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Originally Posted by Hartusvuori

But where is Fabrizio?

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The Fabrizio is in :D

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Originally Posted by Arska

The Fabrizio is in :D

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And looks like he continues on the line with co-driver nicknames :)

Yazeed al-Rajhi and Edoardo Bresolin entered with Fiesta RRCs.

Another video from YLE Ralliradio, this time the well-known QS Ruuhimäki: Yle Keski-Suomi, Ralliradion EK-esittely. | Yle Keski-Suomi | Tv | Areena | yle.fi

At the famous jumps straight there's been some trees cut down: not much difference for drivers, but better view for spectators.

Fernando Albes @ fernandoalbes 11m
M-Sport expected q Party has at least 6 R5 running in Finland. Evans, Aksa, Kruuda, Brynildsen Ketomaa ...

6th - Tanak?

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Originally Posted by AP-Racing

6th - Tanak?

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Would be the obvious driver, no?

Rumours were talking about a WRC Fiesta for Tanak in NORF.

Well, I suppose the boy Wilson might be the 6th.

I found this via facebook and it looks really intresting.Althought i will not be in finland to follow the rally i would be glad to know some details about this endeavour.