Here is the answer :Quote:
Originally Posted by Maui J.
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Here is the answer :Quote:
Originally Posted by Maui J.
http://www.rallysportmag.com.au/home...=1232&Itemid=2
Hey Glen are you a candidate to sit next to Chris???
Ray
Sometimes when a driver has problems to stay on the road it helps to put a respected experienced co-driver to read the notes, good example of this is when Harjanne did co-drive Tommi.
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Originally Posted by raybak
I wouldn't think so.
Maybe you could put the Charade to one side & put your hand up for the job Ray!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by raybak
From Emma Gilmour's website
"It was announced last night that my partner Glenn has left the Subaru World Rally Team which was a difficult decision for him to make, and one he certainly didn't make lightly. The timing is very good for me though and I certainly hope that it doesn't look Glenn had planned the timing of his departure to coincide with my rally season, as up until the weekend he always had every intention of doing the whole season with Chris. I am very happy simply to have Glenn home. If he codrives for me - that will be an added bonus. :o )"
Interesting!
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Originally Posted by Carlo
Emma Gilmour ??? :confused:
What a LUCK he has if he's her boyfriend :(
How come? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
I'll have chat with Chris this weekend at Bathurst. don't think that I would be in the running as I only did about 14 pace noted events last year :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Livewireshock
Would love to have a go though, I wreckon i could handle the pace.
Also on a fitness training program at the moment, with some good motivation from Dr John Tickell.
Ray
And Nicky Grist with Colin. It seemed to me that this was the a big part of Ben Atkinson giving up the co-driving seat for Glenn in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
Ben is the obvious answer for a short term replacement, but I hope the job goes to Dale Moscatt for the long term, hes very proffesional and very motivated.
So it was the Crash then???Quote:
Originally Posted by curry
I think so. Subaru's strategy in this case is "better try changing something, it may work".Quote:
Originally Posted by duff
dammit.
knew i should have gone to Portugal, now I won't get a chance to say goodbye.
Glenn is one of the nicest guys, always had time for everyone....I'll miss him on the international rounds.
all i can tell you is that it was NOT a decision that was sparked by the portugal crash.
this has been a matter of discussion between them for some time.
I think this is good for Atkinson. McNeal's notes just don't seem to have a smooth rhythm like those of other good co-drivers. I think we'll see an improvement in Chris' driving but not a mindblowingly big one.....
Aww, it's sad to lose Glenn, but hopefully in the long-term it will be a good descision for both of them.
Echoing the words of others who have already posted, he's gotta be one of the nicest guys in the WRC. I'll miss my crazy conversations with him.
It seems to me that this is something... normal. :) Glenn wanting to be at home more, etc. Nothing to get too worked up about. C'est la vie, etc. ;)
Now, the real question here is: why the **** hasn't Atkinson made it to the big time, yet? (I don't think it's Glenn...) Well?
Will a new co-driver help Atkinson? I surely hope so! But why the **** hasn't he made it to the big time, yet? ;)
I agree with you Studiose, this has to do more with Atko then Glen.Quote:
Originally Posted by studiose
I think Subaru are running out of options with Atko. I guess before they make their final decision, they want to exhaust all possibilities. Is it going to help? Maybe yes, maybe not, but even small improvment will be better then do nothing. If SWRT don't try this, they will never find out.
Bad news for Chris, great news for Emma.
Replacement? In my mind Robert Reid would be a great replacewment, as already mentioned by others.
Maybe Tony Sircombe, but he has PWRC committments already.....
Didn't Reid say that if he ever returns then he does it with Burns?
What about David Senior?
hello
I have a question. Hopefully someone is so kind to clarify... the elaborated pace note system employed by Glenn, is designed by whom? by Glenn alone? lets say, Atko did not feel comfortable with it, would he actually have a say in it? if not, and Atko prefers this system (and I am not who to say it is good or bad) and then he has the oportunity to have Robert Reid to his right, would he be imposed Roberts pacenote system (my favorite) or would he impose the one he used with Glenn to Robert. I ask because some ppl seem to burden very much on Glenn, and the only thing i notice extremely different to other codrivers is the more elaborate pacenotes. Sorry for the long post only to know about pacenotes and who decides what to use.
the driver tells the notes, co-driver write those down, so the responsibility that the notes are correct is the drivers, but that the reading is correct and on spot is the co-drivers job.Quote:
Originally Posted by HG_Lancer
oh Tomi, i did not explain myself clearly, I meant about the pacenote style. You know, some use numbers, Robert and Richard used the hairpin, k, medium, etc, to designate corners. and i understand Glenn uses numbers, but then he uses other names and intermediate designations. I meant that. Thanks for the answer though
drivers choice
The pacenote style is drivers' choice. The job of the co-driver is to read the notes for the driver and correct them when necessary and of course asked by the driver during the stage.
But for the best co-driver, sometimes he read twice the same notes to highlit caution. In the case of Chris and Glenn, following the inboard camer, it is Chris who didn't follow the pace notes or missed it.
Otherwise it was clear in the notes something like : 3rd 9 Right on...9 Left -60 (minus 60) which means Chris should be already in 3rd Gear before to enter the first right bend as he was with a high speed of almost 150 (following the previous + 150) to negociate that successive bends. 3rd (gear) in the pace notes should be something cautios or a slow down.
Such a complicated pacenote system. Why not do it the McRae and Grist way, much less information, only includes the vitals the driver needs. And again, corners from 1-6 (+-).
Maybe it's time someone told him that Burns is dead? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Erki
thanks everyone for the answer. If one has trouble to follow complicated pacenotes, i think some simplification is in order too.
regards
H
No-one has to do that, I'm sure he knows it very well. I remember he said it when Burns still had a chance of survival but now he's passed away, Reid is obviously retired of co-driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by studiose
I'm not really sure if you either really didn't get my point(oh well) or wanted to have a dig at me(have fun :D )
The ultimate notes are just a reinforcement of your memeory, from experience I can assure you that the more familiar that we became with the roads then the less information we needed to contain in our notes and they became memeory joggers and an assurance that we were in the right place at the right time.
Perhaps this then is the reason that Chris has so much information in his notes as compared to others who have had far more experience on those well known stages than he has.
Look at Sweden this year when just about everyone was on new territory, the Superstars were all bitching about not having their notes right. Reason, they were starting from scratch on new roads and have not had those years of practise on them so as to refine their notes for maximum attack.
Neither. :) Just seizing the chance to try some dubious humour, there. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Erki
But not entirely without point. I do wish Reid would return, 'cause Atko would probably benefit greatly from his company.
Colin's one to six refers to gears not corner angle. There is a video around somewhere where he explains his system.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennizw
I saw an interview with Chris on Australian T.V. this weekend. He made it very clear that the decision was Glenn's and no one else's. He also made it very clear that the accident in Portugal was driver error. The pace note was correct and read perfectly by Glenn. He said he was concentrating too much on what was wrong with the car setup instead of concentrating on the stage.
He should have positioned the car on the right of the crest for the following left hander, but they were in the middle of the crest, which makes a big difference at 200kph.
I would agree that Chris's pace note system seems complicated to me but that is irrelevant. It is purely the drivers choice of what system to use, and the driver will choose whatever system works for him/her. Everyone is different.
In fact one of Chris's mentors from his early days once said that one of his big strengths was his ability to make quite accurate notes on the first pass of his recce. This ability allowed the second pass to be more or less a checking exercise rather than having to adjust or re write notes.
Personally I think Petter's notes are just as complicated. Even though he uses 1-6 ,which I prefer, he has an incredible amount of descriptions for each note. He has admitted himself in the past that he sometimes tries to fit too much in his notes.
Me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by jidoka
It's corner speed, not the angle or gear. 1 is the slowest, 6 the fastest. ANd yes, there is that video where he explains it. Focus sounds really nice in that vid...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
I did mean gears and speed, not corner angle, sorry if my choice of words made it look that way :) It can very easily be linked to gear notes, but I guess many times you can take a corner in a higher gear than in the notes.
some people in the aussie media are suggesting that its possible glenn was pushed by the SWRT, and some within the team are blaming him for the accident and Atko has just been covering for him by saying it was his fault. I dunno if this is the case or not, Mikkey T is saying its not because of the crash and he is usually right so i dont know what to think..
as far as his replacement goes, word is that nicky grist is at the top of the list of potential co-drivers, and apparently there should be a new co-drive in place before the next SWRT test session, of which chris will be taking the lead of and doing 3 days of testing compared to sohlbergs 2, the concentration being on finding a set-up for the new car which matches atko's driving style, apparently the one they are currently working on feels "horrible" for chris (ie its probably a sohlberg setup)
anyone have this video?Quote:
Originally Posted by Erki
The rumour that I have heard is that the new codriver has recent ARC experience not WRC experience. Narrows it down a bit, a few of the candidates lurk on here occasionally.
Ray