Yay! Dozens of families now have the freedom to choose burial or cremation; pine or oak. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
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Yay! Dozens of families now have the freedom to choose burial or cremation; pine or oak. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
As I understand it , handguns are legal , but not in the school .
So here's a question : What makes a school different ?
I'd just like to fully understand the logic involved here .
Tell that to the 20 kids and their families, they will be happy for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Bag these laws are for law abiding people. Criminals do not obey laws. PETN is illegal in the Middle East.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Arizona has decided to just say screw it - got a gun - pack it - if you don't want guns inside your place - post a sign.
Did the gunman in this case have any criminal record which would have prevented him obtaining a firearm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
[quote="Dave B"]This notion keeps getting trotted out: that somehow it's good to have guns because somebody could shoot the gunman. It's never really worked, though, in real life, has it? Besides, is it such a good idea to have even more people firing guns in a school or a darkened cinema?
that is partly because of gun laws. you can own one but it is a hassle to take it anywhere. Here in AZ you can pack open or concealed most places. At the Breakfast cafe everyone is packing. You may get one or two of them but will never get 28 of them. The school shooter broke into the school - had the guard been properly armed and security measures in place the story would be different. In safe areas we tend to let our guard down. I remember running straight to the gate to catch a flight in final boarding. I will agree Europe is probably overall more safe but that will change. Bombings will be more the norm in many places. It would take 10 connecticut's to equal one Spain. It is not the weapon it is the idiot and I don't see a way to control that.
Yes a very interesting point. I would like a indepth drug report to be public on all violent crimes in this country. But we have developed "drug welfare" to keep the ghettos from rioting. Meth users, makers and sellers should be eliminated within 90 days of being found guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
he tried to purchase a rifle 3 days prior and was denied. You don't have to register as a criminal so there is no beginning date. I have no problem with background checks but it really solves no problems. You can purchase a firearm straight away from a private party and these cannot be policed. Also rounding up over 300 million guns would be a monumental task if you could ever get it approved. It is probably a good time to start a security company. However most security companies are run incorrectly and the security officer would just be another casualty in cases such as this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
anthonyvop is allowed to roam the streets freely in the US. This must say something.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
In that case, what else is to blame other than the fact of people feeling the need to possess firearms?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
Ah yes, putting things in capitals: it gives your words so much more weight and seriousness, Tony.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Let's not forget, you are a man who either came to Europe with a firearm not licenced for use in the countries in question, or lied about doing so.
To put it another way: what right does he have to remain silent on the matter? Or, what standing do you have to comment on these things?Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
Not a valid analogy Roamy... when have 200 schoolchildren been shot dead in their classrooms in Spain? :cornfused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
1.1 Oklahomas maybe, but this is beyond crazy.
well try the train bombing and BTW is an adult life better to take??Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
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Originally Posted by Mark
I am sure you are in a country that doesn't have freedom of speech or expression so how would you even know what Freedom truly is?
You're not making any sense. What's a train bombing have to do with a gun-wielding lunatic? I thought that the train bombing in Madrid had to do with the ETAs, and I don't think the perp here in Connecticut had anything to do with a terrorist organization.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
I'm not sure what you're ranting about here. If Mark didn't have the ability to freely express himself, then there wouldn't be a post by him here on his forum, which he runs independently from state control.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
I think Mark was just stating that he doesn't need a gun to demonstrate his 'freedom' within the UK.
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Originally Posted by BDunnell
As I said many times before. The rights of the individual supersede those of the state. I have a moral right to be able to protect myself, my family and my property. Nothing as criminal and immoral as a government disarming the public will stop me from exercising that right.
What worries me more in USA is that our local police forces are being militarized. I don't think our 2nd Amendment rights are in peril whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Tony, whenever you write on this subject, you come across to me and many others as quite mad — certainly, not as someone I would trust with a firearm near me.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Oh, and I still don't believe your story about your European visit in the slightest.
Shed some light on this? Sounds familiar.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
It's funny, you know — I have never been stopped from saying anything as a result of a lack of freedom of speech or expression.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Some time ago, anthonyvop claimed that he had come to Europe with a firearm, not specifically licensed for use in the countries he was visiting, and indeed brandished it during his visit. So, either he is a criminal, or a liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
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Originally Posted by BDunnell
Actually, I'll rephrase that — for 'a firearm', read 'anything other than rubber implements'.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Thats OK I don't believe a lot about you either.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Oh I get it - we must have different types of funerals - rightQuote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
two small points about Madrid:Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
a) it was bombings in plural - 4 trains simultaneously hit.
b) the consensus is that it was "islamist terrorism". Only conspiracy theorists still believe ETA had anything to do with it.
But as you say, nothing to do with a gun wielding lunatic.
yes and many states have "stand your ground law" which makes you eligible for a bullet within about 20 feetQuote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
BTW
It is federal law that you have to be at least 21 to purchase a handgun in the United States and must show valid ID.
The Shooter was 20
So much for gun control laws.
I seriously hope the authorities can trace the supplier of the weapon. But this just enforces the point that, legal or not, if someone has the will and the mindset to do something as warped and twisted as this, they will get their gun by whatever means.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
I think it was in Hungerford over here this happened a while back, can't remember the guys name.
We're not all that different here , as it happens , as we can own , with proper and clean ID and a training course , long guns .Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
Simply put , though , if you have a handgun , you are a criminal , properly trip permitted , or you're a cop .
It makes things really simple .
At this point I don't own one .
But , I'm moving , at some point soon , out to the new house I'm building , so I'll need a tool for critter control .
A .22 will do . I had a sweet old Cooey when I was a kid .
I guess the question is :"Why would one post a sign inside one's place saying there are no guns allowed ?" .
Why , in fact , would you ban handguns anywhere , especially if they make you feel safe ?
Why are guns not allowed in that school ?
Of course, if no-one had a gun, then it'd really make you feel safe. Maybe just invest in an electric fence for scary critter control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Would you allow absolutely anything that made someone feel safer? There are, after all, a lot of unnecessarily insecure people around. Not once have I ever felt I needed to be in possession of a weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Michael Ryan.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Do tell us — how did you manage to get the gun through airport security?
Even if you did own a gun, and it made you feel safe, what if you are unable to get to it in time if you really needed it to defend yourself from attack? Owning a gun but getting shot while retrieving it defeats the object.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Also, if your house is broken into, say, and the gun is found by the burglar......
Much better to be without a gun.
Thanks, can't believe it was so long ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
There are all sorts of 'ifs' and 'buts' attached to ownership and use of a firearm. All the disadvantages far outweigh any spurious ideas of 'freedom' one might have a result of being tooled-up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Seems this nutjob used weapons legally held by his mother. US gun controls simply do not work, they make it trivially easy for lunatics to arm themselves. Still: freedom blah blah blah.
I don't think there's a defensible practical reason for gun ownership in the first country you mention.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88