Yep...calling R2s and R3s "no real cars" I think it's people not having seen the battles of the group on stages :rolleyes:
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Yep...calling R2s and R3s "no real cars" I think it's people not having seen the battles of the group on stages :rolleyes:
This is the reason why I don't follow national or regional rallies in the UK and Ireland, even not behind the computer. It is a real pity that there are so much different events in the same weekend. The IRC Rally Scotland and the IRC Circuit of Ireland were nice to follow and I like the roads and the scenery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
Do you know if Citroën will organize a DS3 R1 Cup either in UK or/and in Ireland next season :confused:
No mention of it in either the BRC or BRC Challenge Regulations. There is a Citroën Trophy in the BRC but that is for R3 cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
It's good that the cars are very close, but they're just not very exciting to watch and listen to. Turbo cars can sound good, but the DS3s are so quiet and unspectacular.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
Obviously you never saw a DS3 in a fast section... On a square junction, they are rather boring (but as are Gr N cars of S2000!). But in a fast section, Well driven R3 and R2 cars are very spectacular, certainly the DS3!Quote:
Originally Posted by Iain
Cronin / Clarke - Citroen DS3 3RT - Gale Rigg 2 - Rally Yorkshire 2012 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
This is a shot I took of Keith Cronin at Rally Yorkshire, while BRC very much turned into 'Formula DS3' I was impressed by the skill and committment displayed by DS3 crews on both BRC rounds I attended last year. Evans was very spectacular in the R2 Fiesta.
The guys with WRC and other 4wd exotica have gone off to the BTRDA championship where (not to beat about the bush) deep pockets win out over skill (usually).
Steve Boyd's point about the Irish event needs clarification for non-UK residents. While the BRC and Irish Tarmac may be advertised as different events they take place over the same stages concurrently, have the same organising team, the same marshalls and to the spectator are all part of the same day's entertainment. In most cases the BRC is supplemented by a restricted distance beginner class and the Historic championship. You don't just go to see 20 cars, for many the BRC is an extra interest, additional to the main attraction of Escort Mk IIs
I saw them on a hairpinQuote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7236/7...2004f217_c.jpg
Tom Cave - Craig Parry by IainW81, on Flickr
And a square junction
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8145/7...49ffd5b0_c.jpg
Keith Cronin - Marshall Clarke by IainW81, on Flickr
To be fair, they were good to watch as the drivers threw them into the corners. It's the noise that's the problem. They just don't sound fast. Give me a high-revving Clio R3 over the DS3. Mark Donnelly's car was really good to listen to as it passed that square junction and went flat-out down the road into the distance.
It's not a rallying problem as such, touring cars have adopted turbos and they don't sound that good either. But it seems to be the way motorsport is going at the moment.
I still feel all of this is rather academic, because the wider viewing public would expect, surely, to see competing the same cars as populate the sport's very top level. Does anyone believe that the old British Open Championship would have achieved its stature had it been the preserve of cars one or two 'levels' below top-line World Championship machinery? Until the costs of today's top-line machinery are reduced, allowing them to be bought by a wider pool of drivers and again become a viable option for domestic series, the likes of the BRC are, I feel, always going to be of limited appeal.
I hope we will have more news about BRC 2013(entries)after this week-end's Autosport Show of Birmingham :confused:
On latest Peugeot-Sport Pressrelease they write one 208 R2 has been ordered in UK, another one in Ireland...news about the owners :confused:
Andy Slattery Is the one from Ireland. Don't know about the Uk one?
Thanks Cathal ;)
Hi all!
The UK 208 is also going to (Northern) Ireland.
Former Formula Ford festival winner Richard Tannahill
No more news about BRC 2013 entrants with one month to go before the first event(Rally North Wales) :confused:
The BRC media day is on 22.3., I am sure we will hear more news then.
You could try the BRC website?
List of currently registered drivers (I've added the cars):
Jon ARMSTRONG - Fiesta R2
Callum BLACK - DS3 R3
Tom CAVE - DS3 R3http://rallybrc.co.uk/administrator/...le.edit&id=460Mark DONNNELLY - DS3 R3http://rallybrc.co.uk/administrator/...le.edit&id=460James FORD
James GRINT - DS3 R3
Jukka KORHONEN - DS3 R3
Joe McGONIGLE - Clio R3http://rallybrc.co.uk/administrator/...le.edit&id=460Daniel McKENNA - Fiesta R2
Steve ROKLAND - Fiesta R2?
Peter TAYLOR - DS3 R3
Can also add Desi Henry - DS3 R3 to that list.
And probably Osian Pryce too in his DS3 - he's running around crying about having no sponsors and not being able to afford to rally this year but he's never worked a day in his life and daddys minted so I'm sure we will see him taking part!
Tom Cave........ :)
Hunt??
I'd say he'll stick to ERC/WRC but haven't heard anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by Bartolbia84
Cant wait for the Clark ..........
Thank'sQuote:
Originally Posted by catty
WRC-3 ---> Citroen Trophy!!
New crews in italics!
List of currently registered drivers (I've added the cars):
Jon ARMSTRONG - Fiesta R2
Callum BLACK - DS3 R3
Tom CAVE - DS3 R3http://rallybrc.co.uk/administrator/...le.edit&id=460Mark DONNNELLY - DS3 R3http://rallybrc.co.uk/administrator/...le.edit&id=460James FORD
James GRINT - DS3 R3
Jukka KORHONEN - DS3 R3
Joe McGONIGLE - Clio R3http://rallybrc.co.uk/administrator/...le.edit&id=460Daniel McKENNA - Fiesta R2
Steve ROKLAND - Fiesta R2?
Peter TAYLOR - DS3 R3
John MacCrone - DS3 R3
Desi Henry - DS3 R3
Chris Ingram - Twingo R2
Timothy Cathcart - Fiesta R2
Brendan Cuminsky - DS3 R3
Osian Pryce - DS3 R3 (even though he has no sponsors and tweeted that he has no money he has sent a mechanic to france to collect an engine from Oreca & I'd be stunned if he's not there)
Mc Crone and Taylor
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Strange not to see more Twingos(R1 and R2)in BRC !!!! Are the Ford Fiestas so much better :confused:
A venezuelian driver in British Rallies Championship ??? :confused:
Nowy rywal Kubicy - Wiadomo?ci - Rajdy - autoklub.pl
The twingo has 2 problems:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
1. The Fiesta is a fantastic gravel car. The BRC comprises 5 Gravel and 2 Tarmac Rounds
2. The Twingo only has 2 way rear suspension and does not have the range of adjustment required to work on british or Irish tarmac
http://youtu.be/oFEEqSR9QiI
The 208 R2 is also a fantastic car on gravel, I hope to see it more and more in BRC in the future ;)
By the way, pre-entrylist Bulldog Rally ;)
Rally North Wales - Entries to Date
Alastair Fisher on entrylist Bulldog/North Wales rally, certainly in order to prepare his Citroën Top Driver season starting in Portugal ;)
In this case will Keith Cronin go there too :confused:
It's today friday BRC Media Day...so news :confused:
It is with regret that the organisers of the MSA British Rally Championship have cancelled today’s Media Day due to the overnight and continuing snow.
The forest stage is actually in good condition and access from the motorway to the venue is clear, but the concern is for those leaving later in the day.
Championship Manger Mark Taylor said:
“The lay of the land means that access is all downhill from the main road and whilst people will be able to get in, it will be extremely difficult to get back out. Several of the large vehicles that arrived yesterday are having to be extracted by the landowner and our concern is that people may be stuck overnight. Sadly as we are so close to Rally North Wales we have taken the decision to cancel rather than re-schedule.”
I hope eventual snow won't make organizers of Bulldog Rally to cancel stages :mark:
Quote:
Originally Posted by catty
You guessed well, he just appeared on entrylist ;)
Any idea when the seeded one will be out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
I know FWD isnt everyones cup of tea but i'm looking forward to seeing the action start!
I suppose seeded entrylist on friday or on the start week of te event, maybe monday or tuesday(as on many events accross te world) :confused:
What car for Jonathan Greer on entrylist North Wales Rally currently with "no car" :confused:
Citroen DS3 R3 last year and haven't seen anything to suggest different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
Also can't see Cronin entering the Bulldog as he is very used to the DS3 on gravel, while Fisher hasn't competed in one yet.
DS3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
Think Greers have a few and they run the Pirelli car although I hear Ex-cricket player Freddie Flintoff did quite a bit of damage to one of them in Sweet Lamb a few weeks ago