And a Czech dude i think!Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
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And a Czech dude i think!Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
If you read carefully my posts you don't find anything to rubbish Meeke's abiity or achievements and I said I like him. But can't agree he's the best driver without WRC seat as there are plenty of drivers probably better than him. And gloryfy his IRC title or stage win and ignore other drivers achievements is just not fair. I gave some examples already based on facts not my feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
Actually for once BritonsQuote:
Originally Posted by Franky
Kris is NOT English, just very talented ;)
Maybe Meeke is clever... He is not paying 100K euros per rally to prove anything to anyone.
In the meantime he is testing for Citroen WRC team. The best WRC team in the history of rallying, must think he a waste of time.
Meeke set fastest times on tarmac and gravel in a under developed car, in his first 10 rallies in a WRC. I dont know of a another driver who has done that?
Latavala, 100 WRC start later, is still wrecking 300K euro cars for fun, so dont knock a driver for pushing the limits.
Meeke maybe has a fault that he doesnt give himself time to develop in the little seat time he had, but I would rather see than, than be a nearly man.
There is one thing you cant take away from Meeke, his speed. Put him in a DS3 and he be podium material on every surface.
Actually the myopic perp of this mayhem is now conspicuous by his absence - thinking of more Cojones to spout no doubtQuote:
Originally Posted by RJM
(mental note : don't get into arguments on forums when a) your team has lost b) you've had a few)
Haha Good point!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
No, Citroen is not the best team in WRC, but Loeb is the best driver. Meeke can do well not only with Citroen, if you think so, we are wasting time over here in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildsir
It's amazing that teams fail to see there is the best driver in the world available!! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by wildsir
You have mis understood the point - stop using Google translate!!Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
8 out of 10 titles in last 10 years and you think Citroen is not the best?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
No one has said that, and before you start there is a reason why Gaardemeister, Raantenen, Ketomaa etc haven't made it - Ashphalt!! (even Mikko)Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Come on 'oo wants some!!
Ah hem - I wouldn't have said that !!Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
It's not just you, but others too who seem to think Meeke is nothing special. As I said, he's not the best in the world, but he's a solid driver who has shown he can compete with and beat the Ostberg's of this world, and that's no mean feat. But I am interested as to your view about who is better than Meeke who hasn't got a seat at the moment. Because I can't think of any except Hanninen (who's contracted to Skoda anyway!).Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
Also, this is nothing to do with Meeke's nationality - I'm as un-patriotic as they come and am not even a fan of Meeke, but still can recognise his ability.
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Jeez... I didn't know some British fans could get so mad about something like this...
Before I start... I'll let you come sober again :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
:beer: :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
It's quite annoying how this looked like a British thing, but I don't think it is. The fact Meeke is from Northern Ireland means nothing to me and has no bearing on how I see him. It's more the point blank naivety and denial from some people that's a bit annoying. As for Mintexmemory, I'm pretty sure half the rage is alcohol-related :PQuote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
That is the problem of this topic as we can't really be right with any driver until we put them into the cars and let them drive few rallies. But hipothetically if we talk strictly about WRC and by that I mean WRC cars with "proper" program there is plenty (Ogier, Sordo, Mikkelsen, Hanninen, PG Andersson, Abrring, Duval). Of course first 3 will have a seat next season apparently but I guess we talk about 2012.Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
Actuallly I'm as sober as a judge! I just get annoyed when people don't support their prejudices with reasoned argument. Sweeping statements like 'he had his chance and he blew it' demonstrate a superficiality that is mind-blowing in its profundity (make sense of that I dare you).Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
Just like you, this is anything but nationalistic I just have found, late in life, that I'm BS-intolerant!
The first 4 of that list all have deals with VW or Skoda though, so weren't turned down for a WRC seat. PG is not as good as Meeke on any surface except snow, and I don't think many if any would disagree with that. Abbring is a talent but not yet experienced enough for a WRC seat, and Duval is talented but not consistent or professional enough, and been away from the game for too long. Sorry but that's just the truth - I agree we can't be 100% sure until we've seen everyone in a good/equal car for a large sample of rallies, but all the evidence/knowledge we have points towards Meeke as the best option without a WRC seat or some sort of contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
I'm not using it, but may be I should have. What was the point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
"A superficiality that is mind-blowing in its profundity" has to be one of the greatest phrases ever uttered on here, especially this time of night! But I am in total agreement - I'm yet to hear a reason why Meeke isn't a good option, let alone if there is any better optionQuote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
I have nothing against Kris Meeke. I actually felt bad how Prodrive treated him because I was curious to see if he had reached his peak as a driver. But the fact is that he got shadowed by Sordo when he drove Mini. I got to see him live at NORF. The only impression of him was that he managed to stall his car in a downhill curve, in a location I didn't think it was possible to stall a car ?? Anayway, should he drive DS3 I still can't see him as a permanent podium visitor. Not as long as Ogier, Latvala and Hirvonen are around. Against Ostberg, I don't think so either. Which reminds me again very awkward transition. We have a very narrow range of top drivers at the moment :mark:
But I do think he deserves a shot as do anybody else.
Being beaten by Sordo is nothing to be ashamed of though. He's among the top 5 rally drivers in the world. But as you say, the narrow range of top drivers - with only Loeb, JML, Mikko, Ogier, Petter and Sordo really being able to consistently be right at the sharp end in my view - makes it more important for drivers like Meeke and Hanninen to get a chance and for drivers like Atkinson and Wilson to step aside as they've shown that they don't have the ability to breach that gap. Who knows, but maybe Meeke (among others) can breach the gap.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
I agree, anyone who's giving everything he can to be faster deserves a seat. Meeke looks one of those guys.
It's late, the waiters want to finish, the Australians will be here soon. Have one for the road and read the thread from the start in the morning! Citroen are great, Loeb is Great and if Meeke had been in the DS3 he wouldn't have been off the podium (but would have followed team orders if he knew what was good for him) all year. That was the point - Bonne Nuit, Guten Nacht Buona NotteQuote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
I'm afraid Hänninen's train already left the station and he wasn't in it. What comes to Meeke, he already got so close to WRC seat that it's morally wrong he is not driving there with others.
I'm not keen to OT, but what is this thing 8 of 10. So Citroen foresaw they had the future champion and threw everything they got to continue winning with him. How long they would be around if they didn't have Loeb? No one knows. I would use different drivers argument for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
:) what was Meeke's quote when informed by Prodrive he was not required for 2012?Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Something along the lines that the girl of your dreams, who you thought was forever, phones you to tell you she's going to work as a prostitute.
It's business and the money talks - morals really don't enter into it, sadly.
Last call Mintexmemory, now you're getting emotional. Next thing you try to hug us. :D
:) I fell asleep before seeing the last post. No matter how emotional I may become man-hugging is not on the agenda, damn it I'm English.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
(Although I'm sure there may have been occasions when I've been in the street, sitting on a doorstep trying to get up, saying to my friend; " You know mate, I really, really love you!". We never mention such things the next day ;) )
That last example is an universal thing, we do that also. However, since we drink and do suicides way more than you guys, after we have revealed our love to each others (again) we finish our night with a statement that Finland is a great country and sing familiar songs when Finland won the world championship in icehockey. Then we start fighting.
This thread is quality humor.
I think PG are faster than Kris Meeke, not on tarmac but on all other surfaces.. End of discussion.
Well I think Meeke is faster. End of discussion!Quote:
Originally Posted by KickenRallySport
I think both are faster than me. End of discussion!
Sir, I do believe you have mistaken your own opinion for fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by KickenRallySport
Reality check, Kris is still without a drive while others are hired for a whole season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fly_Half
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
PG
Hannninen
Ketomaa
Sandell
Paddon
Breen
All got WRC rides - when did this happen
Looks like they'll all be yesterday's men before some of them have had today if Young Mr Evans keeps improving at his current rate!
As for being hired it's Hirvonen, Neuville, Ogier, Tanak, Latvala and Mikkelsen. Everyone else pays.
I exclude Sordo because who knows what he's doing next year!