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There are two sides to every story. I'm merely pointing out that both sides of politics have their share of extremists that won't accept an alternate point of view, not just the right.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
You might want to stop the insults. It reduces your posts to sounding like little more than the extremist rantings you profess to dislike.
"Cyberspace is - or can be - a good, friendly and egalitarian place to meet" - Douglas Adams.
"On the other hand, it is - or can be - a good place to say what the **** you like without getting thumped or shot" - Me.
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What insults?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
seriously. Calling the people who put up junk they know to be false unethical, and worse is not an insult.
but really I have no idea what you are referring to so help me out a bit and explain where I insulted anybody.
(and my post was a response to THIS thread, where your comments seemed to be, to me anyway, as simple general complaint, and not specifically related to this thread about the false manufactured "News" put out by some extremist Right wing "foundation" and repeated instantly all over the place.
That's why I asked if you were merely complaining about a point of view that you (seemingly) don't agree with.
I will comment that its an interesting, and consistent ploy of the Right wing to characterize anything not in total agreement with "this week's Talking Points" as a rant or insults, usually like your comments, in an attempt to seize a perceived moral high ground.
Particularly when they are defending something morally indefensible, for example somebody spreading what is known to be lies.
You haven't insulted anyone? Well, let's see. First we have:
Then we have:Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
In two posts you have compared people who support Bush to Nazis. That's pretty insulting to most people.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
It's only indefensible from your point of view and is no more immoral than what the Left get up to. Neither side of politics are squeaky clean and both have agendas to further.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
I don't like Holier-than-thou preachers who can't argue a point without resorting to petty name calling. If you don't agree with the point that fousto was making with his thread then tell us why. So far all you have done is tried to "shout" down anybody who disagrees with you.
Oh, come now Hawkmoon, fousto and Janvan can't help it, they are carved from the same wood, only difference is that at times, foustolino manages to be funny. ;)
The other difference is that fousto has no pretensions and says what he thinks, which as you say, can be funny at times. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by janneppi
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Originally Posted by janneppi
Wrong - he is carved from balsa wood - light in the step and blows with the wind!!!!
Hey what kind of wood does not float
Natalie Wood
I will just have a few thoughts ( while I get an unexpected few hours at home before heading back out again ).
Ok, first off, before anyone labels me a right wing kook (Eki and Tomi think I am carrying the water for Bushie, but really, I am pretty much objective and pro-freedom and democracy first off), I think the example at the start of the thread says it all.
I point out Gore's hypocracy and I will accept while he does some business from his home, it still does not wash with this other 2 mansions and his use of a private jet to be everywhere in hours. It still does NOT hold water that he wants to have a concert actually on Antarctica, ( although likely this idea will die a quick death due to logistics ).
Many people in the enviromental movement have allowed their movement to be hijacked. Hijacked by the political left, and radical libreal movement. These people are more about being seen as onside with the enviroment than actually doing anything concrete to make the enviroment better. What is more, they are all about demonizing anyone who doesn't agree with them. The name calling on this thread is more evidence of this. People with inadequete arguments tend to name call and give out platitudes about how they are right because the other side are idiots.
IT is FAR more complictaed than that, and global warming is FAR more complicated than many of those like Al Gore make it. Al Gore hasn't the first damned clue about global warming except he knows how he can maybe use it to get his name back in the papers. Oh he believes in it alright, but all that he believes is being fed to him by the radical leftest who have hijacked many scientests ( who fall along to avoid having their funding cut ), or have some belief that it is all man's fault. Every time it seems there is a new trend, it is always the fault of either 1) the US, 2) the Western way of life or 3) Capitalism. Whether it be global warming, human rights abuses, wars, global poverty, it is always laid at the feet of those by those who would eagerly hijack the agenda of every western democracy.
Do I think these people actually believe in what they say? Oh, yes they do, because they have always wanted to buck the system. Whether it be the anti-war groups, the carbon offset crowd, the UN is always right crowd, or whatever ( anti George Bush crowd ); they all have a vested interest and desire to gain political power by not actually competing in the arena of ideas fairly and honestly and getting elected. Oh if they can get elected, they will hide or obscure many parts of their agenda to get elected, but THAT is their goal. They don't care how they do it, as long as they do it. Fine, some would say all parties do that.
I guess what I object to is the intellectual dishonesty that has come from this and the blind faith they are always right. On here, I have never doubted that we have global warming. Canada is one of the nations that has noticed this, and we know that something is happening. Now, to say that it is man's fault, well we only have to have seen the BBC's "Great Global Warming Swindle" and read some of the work done by the hard scientests who still don't agree to know that it isn't cut and dried that man is causing it and when you see Mars's temp has risen the same as hours, one must believe that it is related to an increase in the sun's power more than anything else.
The Global Warming fanatics, and the rest of the left have to get it into their heads that their so called moral crusade is repugnent and useless. Like their weak and rididculous Kyoto treaty (Any treaty that doesn't stop or slow greenhouse gas growth from China and India is useless), it isn't about results, it is about being onside with their movement and what THEY want. They have failed to push this agenda in the US, and they will find out in Canada that it likely wont fly either. Call us names, call us what you want, but people who go to work every day and just earn a living have better things to do, and more common sense than beathing their gums in pointless and feckless protests against whatever today's cause. I bet within 10 years, some of the same people beating the drum for global warming policy will be on to another agenda......
It is sad...you want a better world, make a policy that makes sense, get elected and effect change instead of creating mass hysteria.
Al Gore hasn't figured that out....he is content to try to brainwash kids with his "Truth" and scare the hell out of them about something they may not have any control over....that isn't making an argument, that is brainwashing....
My apologies on the spelling errors, I didn't have the opportunity to do an edit in the 10 minutes after I posted...
That happens to all of us, so don't worry, we know what you mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
Eki, you and I have crossed swords a lot on here, but I thank you for acknowleding that. I know my head and thoughts always seem to outrace my fingers, and I have to go back 5 minutes later to edit with a cleared mind....this time, I didn't have the chance.
Looks like the US won't open their consulate in Casablanca today, maybe not tomorrow or even soon. Well, they'll always have Paris:Quote:
Originally Posted by fousto
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266230,00.html
U.S. Shuts Consulate in Casablanca After Bombings
Sunday, April 15, 2007
RABAT, Morocco — The U.S. closed its consulate in Casablanca indefinitely on Sunday to review security a day after a suicide bombing beside the building, the U.S. Embassy said.
A second bomber on Saturday detonated his explosive belt in the same street, just yards from the American Language Center where English is taught. A woman was injured in one of the blasts but only the bombers died.
The attacks were Morocco's first since five simultaneous homicide bombings in Casablanca in 2003 which killed 33 people and a dozen bombers.
The blasts in Morocco and twin car-bombings in neighboring Algeria on Wednesday that killed 30 people suggest that Islamic extremism is rekindling across North Africa.
Mark, that was a great post.
The issue of environmental concern has been hijacked by the hardcores, those that truly do hate capitalism. I have yet to figure out why this is, but then again I don't get a lot of the things the environmental guys do. I point to what happened to Bjorn Lomborg as what happens when these hardliners get challenged by somebody.
Al Gore was a genius in jumping on this issue, because Gore the Bore has become something of a superstar thanks to an An Inconvenient Truth and the media frenzy that followed it. As a guy trainign to be a journalist, the media should be ashamed at how they looked at that movie, and the agenda behind it.
I always love to read Janvanvurpa's posts to see how long it take him to use the terms "jack-booted", "goose stepping", "marching lock step", or "parroting their leaders". You read one of his posts you pretty much have read them all.
Same with Eki, always spinning and re-directing.
Glad you finally figured out the implied humor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoximus
Nobody really says "jack-booted", or "goose stepping", or "marching lock step".
It's a bit of turn around.
See? Just like no sane person uses words like "evil doers", "axis of evil", and "islamo-fascists".
See there is no serious dialog, since all sides are too entrenched, and seem more interested in scoring "points" or hits on the "enemy", then all that remains to do, especially when simple questions remain purposely unanswered, is satire and parody.
As for somebody feeling insulted personally by me obviously satirically calling some unidentified theoretical person a "goose-stepping Bush crime family supporter" I liken it to more or less equivalent to somebody walking to the door of a bar, and shouting "hey Asshole!".
If you turn and answer "What?" don't blame me.
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Oh, I won't blame you. I am sure your issues go much deeper than that. ;)