This weekend rally is in 99% confirmed :)
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This weekend rally is in 99% confirmed :)
Happy to see him back in action :up:
But as i said at start of thread NOT in a F1 car ! Malcolm will give him a chance in a Ford Fiesta Rally car,but I believe this is just a small event .
Not a very reliable source, but I smiled when I read this, hopefully he can fully recover to be in F1 -
Kubica eyes 2014 for F1 return | News | Motorsport.com
Robert Kubica wins on rally return in Italy | Formula 1 | Formula 1 news, live F1 | ESPN F1
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Robert Kubica won the Ronde Gomitolo di Lana Rally at the weekend in his first competitive race since his life-threatening accident last year.
Kubica was participating in the rally driving a Subaru Impreza WRC car, with his participation uncertain until Thursday as the car was readied.
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The extent of Kubica's injuries were revealed further on the podium after the rally, with the use of his right arm severely limited during the celebrations. Kubica also wore a bandage over the lower part of his right arm in order to hide the worst of his scars from the accident in February 2011.
Just watched a short video of him taking an hairpin in cool and fast way so it looks like he's recovering faster than expected :up: He might stick with rallying and never comeback in F1 though ;)
Found this ... Robert's hand doesn't look normal but hopefully he will recover .... and to stick in rallying ;)
Robert Kubica-Ronde Gomitolo Di Lana !!! - YouTube
Good News for Robert.
Hope it continues to go well
And apparently he had another crash in a rally... No injuries apparently...
Am I the only one who thinks this is quite stupid of him before he has fully recovered?
Not is he's recovered sufficiently to withstand a normal crash, which apparently he was, unless it was caused by his injuries (which I doubt)
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Hopefully you are. I understand completely his desire to get back behind the wheel, and he's certainly not alone in motorsport. The majority of motorcycle racers seem to have ridden in races with various broken bones, Colin McRae entered a rally with broken fingers/all bashed up facially...it's just a fact of motorsport, and an important one IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koz
The level of injury Kubica is still carrying is not on the same level as a broken finger, metatarsal or even malleolus that the bikers routinely race with.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJan
Kubica already has a permanent loss of function to his entire right arm, he can't flex his elbow and he has limited movement of his fingers, his muscles on that side are completely wasted away and his joints and nerves are permanently damaged. Another big injury to that side and he faces not being able to use that arm at all.
While part of me cheers the fact that he's back behind the wheel of a car a large part of me does wonder why he's so willing to risk his recovery for what is still a hobby for him (rallying).
Ian Hutchinson's leg injury is not so different to Kubica's arm. It was touch and go whether they would have to amputate the leg, and it took more than a year before he could race again (though after 9 months he did a parade lap round the TT course on a superbike, wearing leathers cut away to accommodate the external fixator that was still around his leg!). Then he re-broke it riding a dirt bike, endured further operations, but this year was back racing again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
Admittedly, a leg is not an arm. But we're not talking about a broken finger either either.
Thinking further back, Mick Doohan suffered an equally bad leg injury that would have led to amputation in normal circumstances - they had to temporarily graft it to his good leg to keep it alive - and returned within 2 months to try (unsuccessfully) to defend his championship lead, with the leg still visibly withered. And of course Barry Sheene had two horror crashes, about one of which he said "if I'd been a horse, they'd have shot me," and returned to racing in weeks or months both times.
There's a big difference. Ian Hutchinson's injury was much simpler from an orthopaedic point of view. Also importantly he retained knee/ankle function. Kubica has lost function in his elbow and wrist (there's a video of him walking around with it held at an awkward angle somewhere), he has damaged tendons and neurological injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyL
The big problem here is his elbow in terms of accidents. Limbs dissipate a lot of energy through the joints flailing around in accidents. Since Robert's elbow is fixed the energy the elbow would normally dissipate is transferred fully to the joints above and below and the structures around the elbow such as his already damaged tendons. Hence the risk from an accident that would be harmless to anyone else is greater for him.
It is possible that Kubica is aware that he has no further scope for improved use of his right arm and therefore has nothing to lose by enjoying himself but if he's aiming for further rehabilitation risking all by rallying isn't the most intelligent move.
In that case you clearly don't understand the bug. He wants to drive so much that he's willing to risk it all. There is a guy that's entered a few hillclimbs that I've done that only has the use of one arm. He rides a motorbike with a sidecar and passenger, he just tucks the useless arm onto the fuel tank before he does a run. He does that because he loves motorsport. Kubica is the same, the payoff is worth the risk to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
Actually I do understand, I've treated a fair few amateur and professional racers in my time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJan
The guy you describe, did he race during his rehabilitation period?
Most have the intelligence to be able to assess the risks and hold off racing during their rehabilitation if it increases the risk of a career-ender. That is especially the case in professional racers as we are talking about a threat to their livelihood. That is why I raised the possibility that Kubica may know that there is no further improvement to be achieved and that he may as well go rallying.
"Found this ... Robert's hand doesn't look normal but hopefully he will recover"
It looks from that video that his right arm is nearly useless. His elbow and wrist appear locked and unbendable and his hand also looks like it has minimal movement.
This would be pretty cool if it were to come to fruition.
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Not so sure there doc, there's a big BUT in that.
F1: Kubica To Reveal Next Plans 'In Due Course'Quote:
"At the moment I have enough to drive a rally car, but not a single seater," he is quoted by French television TF1.
Kubica is, however, refusing to close the chapter.
"I still have too many limitations to drive a car on a track," he said in an interview with Italy's Omnicorse.
"And I'm not talking about a Formula One car; I mean any single seater."
Interesting that Alonso being interviewed about Robert and saying that as a friend he is glad to see him out there rallying, because that is what he has to do to get the limbs remembering how to compete. But then, he is saying that as a racer not a doctor.
It's such a shame to see Robert in that condition. It's surely a miracle that he is back in a rally car and being competitive at all, but on the basis of that video it seems to be expecting a bit much to see him back in F1. He does look significantly disabled, but maybe time will allow him some better mobility.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
I'm pleased for him that he has earned a lot of money during his time in F1, so at least he will have no money worries for his future.
Best wishes to Robert, and I hope we will all be pleasantly surprised, and one day see him back in an F1 car.
Ian Hutchinson's leg injury is surely about as bad as could possibly be imagined that didn't result in amputation. It's not quite the same situation as Robert Kubica's though, as bike racing is much more upper body orientated. As long as Ian Hutchinson can bear weight on his left leg (and has some ankle mobility) then he can get by with a right-hand gear change on his bike.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyL
I'm glad to hear that he is out for 2013 as it made me cringe to think that he would rush back into competition and risk risk further injury. He's going to be 35 years old before he is back in competitive shape for the road circuits, so that gives him at least a decade of further potential (by Dunlop standards), so I think we'll see more road circuit success from him yet. His Macau podium whilst still considerably less than fit is a good indicator of future potential.
Best wishes to Hutchy too, for his future.
:)
F1 : Surgeon informs former Formula 1 driver of long term arm injury diagnosis
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Kubica's arm injury is long term, surgeon - The hand surgeon treating Robert Kubica has cast doubt on the Pole's return to Formula One and whether he can ever restore his right arm to full use.
Time to change this thread's title and remove the word rumor
He could always return as team boss :) :andrea:
With Robert curring state he might have some chances in WRC but not in F1, he's done. So that's why he's racing in rallies. Becasue one you tasted competition you can never stop. That's racer nature, he always look for ways to race.
As for F1 he's Finnish :(
Robert won the Rally Bassano... Sossela and Longhi that are great drivers say that he is a strong driver!!! I'll see in the F1 the next year!!!
longhi says that is not yet 100%
Kubica says he can't drive single seaters. It seems his future is likely to be WRC. Personally I would love to see him do V8SC.
BBC Sport - Robert Kubica reveals he 'can't drive single seaters'
Unfortunate news but this things take a lot of time and we might not get a definitive prognosis on his final condition until next year. At least he can competitively compete in rallying, though.
I suspect so. There are rally drivers that climb out over the cage when they have no legs, I'm sure that one good arm and one half good arm would be enough to get out of an F1 car in the prescribed time.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I dont know. You see F1 drivers struggle to lift themselves out of the tight cockpit at the best of times.
There is also a 5 second code, isnt there? You have to be able to spring free in 5 seconds and replace the steering wheel within a certain time limit.
Yep. Out in 5 seconds nd refit the wheel in another 5. In practice it's quite easy and wouldn't pose an issue to RK.
Was it Trulli a few years ago that was so dehydrated that he had no strength to get out of the cockpit at the end of a race and he had to be lifted out by two officials or team members ?
Footage and interview with Former Formula One driver Robert Kubica. He tested the DTM Mercedes AMG C-Coupé for the first time. The test took place on the Circuit Ricardo Tormo in Valencia on Thursday, Jan. 24.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07x0m...D-dV0Q&index=1
But he seems to struggle with movement in his right lower arm,and was supporting it as he walked away from the car.
Good to see him back in a car again. It's sad to think that his F1 days are over, but I'm glad he is back in the seat of something that can get his blood flowing.
I'm still Kubica fan, and wish him best. we will see him again somewhere this year. He has a petrol in his vains instead of blood.
Not a fan of F1 but if I was to watch the odd race Id be rooting for Kubica. That man sure does know how to wreck a car lol. Hope he gets better soon, seriously unlucky man at times.
Robert Kubica will contest the World Rally Championship's WRC2 tier in 2013, having signed a deal with Citroën. The ex-Formula 1 driver, who had been in talks with Mercedes over a potential DTM seat, will pilot a Citroën DS3 RRC at seven events.
The Pole, a former Grand Prix winner, will get his season underway by taking part in the European Rally Championship's Rally Canary Islands from March 21-23, while his primary WRC2 programme begins at Rally Portugal from April 11-14.
"I weighed up the different options before deciding on this programme," said Kubica. "I kept in touch with Citroën Racing and both sides were keen to continue working together. I’m really pleased now to be able to return to top-level racing.
"Taking part in Rally Islas Canarias will be an interesting challenge for me. I can’t wait to start racing, but I haven’t set myself any specific target. I still have a lot to learn in rallying and to improve I will need to rack up the miles on the stages."
Kubica will drive with a paddle shift gearbox throughout the 2013 campaign, with governing body the FIA permitting small cockpit modifications as he continues to recover from injuries sustained at the Ronde di Andora in early 2011.
Kubica signs WRC2 deal with Citroën - GPUpdate.net
A good move by both parties imo.