it is ok for her that she does that..she earns more money.
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it is ok for her that she does that..she earns more money.
Oh dear, I've just "liked" one of your posts, what is the world coming to :D
I wonder if Loeb himself is ever bored?? By the end of the second day he is like, merde, a cruise to the victory, again :(
Ha ha.... we need more punctures for him..... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
He probably put a nail in his tyre before the start of Aghii Theodori (or whatever it's called)just so he had to change the wheel and drive fast to make up the time. That was the only time that he seemed anything but smooth and steady. I'd said that he never really looked quick but I really didn't expect him to have so few stage victories (and Latvala so many). The fact is though that Loeb drives well within his capabilities unless he has to, that's why it's so surprising when he crashes out. When the time comes he is able to step it up a notch and drive even quicker, and that's when he makes his competitors look like amateurs. Such a shame that Ogier isn't competing this year, I really think he could have taken the championship ahead of Seb, even in a straight fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
I know, I cant imagine his after season celebrations to be very exciting now, its become routine!Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
The obvious problem with the championship, a driver as talented as Ogier who is more than capable of beating Loeb should have never taken so long to get into a factory seat, if there were more manufacturers he would probably been in a WRC car when he was about 20 or 21 like JML!Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJan
Ogier started rallying when he was about 21 I think and by 25 he was in a works Citroen...Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
I have been in awe of this guy for so long. I can't figure out why his rivals haven't found his tell/Achilles heel yet. How can Citroen keep producing such wonderful cars for him without others over taking them?
Ability and money imo
Exactly. The way of Ogier to works team was a rocket one. He just started rather late.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
Let we all hope that pay drivers will never be champs. If anyone should, let it be Ogier.
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
My opinion. It doesn't have to be yours.
But if a pay driver is good enough (as opposed to the championship being weak) then what difference does it make? And how do you define a pay driver? Carlos Sainz used to bring big sponsorship with Movistar that would make him more attractive to teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Maybe I'm dreamer, but in my eyes it's fair that Loeb is champ for years and he came from nothing, just pure talent with work.
Loeb had also very good sponsors in his early days and before WRC he was largely sponsored by FFSA if I recall correctly. Every works drivers has been sponsored or paid for his own drive. Nothing special, why do you make such fuss about it?
Every federation should do the same, that's not their own money, it' federations and that's good that driver can go further that way.
I don't disagree with you here. But if Loeb happened to have achieved the same by using only his own resources ... is he any less worthy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Could that be called - "doing a Vatenan" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
Not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Loeb had two average Alsace entrepreneurs : Rémy Mammosser and Dominique Heintz (former military and moto rally raid) with limited resources helping him starting local events and he wasn't paid at all.
But they were there at the right moment.
They acquired a 106 Rallye 1.3 in which Loeb started to show his pace in real rallies after the Rallye Jeunes operation and FFSA help was very far to be sufficient : Loeb was a rookie electricity technician with virtually no funds and Daniel Elena was broke when they both met.
It was even about to stop when Loeb crashed out twice in the Saxo Trophy 98. Only good will and help from other people re-put him on the tracks.
The first official help came in 2000 with FFSA (Corolla WRC) and Auriol advising Loeb.
One remarkable thing is that it took ages to Citroën to eventually hire him despite all evidences.
Can't think of any current top drivers who would have been using their own money for WRC apart maybe Petter few years back before he got enough sponsors for his own team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
And how many federations are there that could financially help their drivers to international top level?
I have wondered the same thing many times myself. Certainly, it is easy to see that it is becoming harder for him to look interested or to find anything interesting to say at end of stage interviews for example, or when talking about a "good fight" with Mikko. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
I have a solution. Chuck Norris. No one beats Chuck Norris... Ever.
Little known fact: Chuck Norris is played by a Frenchman from the Alsace region.Quote:
Originally Posted by donlorean
Like in argentina this year :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RAS007
What exactly make loeb so much better than the other drivers? Is it completely raw talent? Is it fitness practice and preparation? Does he perform lengthy analysis of each event after?
I think that he is very talented, very smart and extremely confident.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyPat107
Seeing them last week in Acropolis - Loeb more precise and his driving contains less improvisation, everything seems more planned from outside. The Ford guys are running wider, driving a lot on loose gravel, more sideways etc. Loeb's style remember me to Makkinen in many things.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyPat107
sometimes it is easier to find where someone is better, if you try and look where the competitions fails....
I haven't seen the son of Citroens manager trying to be a rally driver... and i haven't seen Loeb when he makes mistakes to mention any magic stones.
It's everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyPat107
What I have detected is that he has "pedal to metal" more than anyone else in most of the 5th and 6th gear corners. Another thing is that he goes "off-balance" only when needed and as much as needed. This is an extreme feature that demands great courage and ability, and only the great Rohrl has demonstrated it in such degree in the past. Because of this, he can remain more than anyone else "on the throttle" with minimum loss of traction.
The guy is the best of all times. Who would beat Colin and Carlos with the same car if he wasn't?
welcome scn ;)
Interesting. Thanks. You last line is the only statement I have an issue with. McRae and the citroen never really meshed together, I believe I have an interview with him in an old rally xs mag that says with all of the electronics of the time it didn't work with his driving style. I can see the argument that Loeb is also better because of his adaptability to the different cars, but I sure would like to have seen them compete in gthe new generation car.Quote:
Originally Posted by scn
He had a win yesterday & a 2nd place today in the MitJet series at Magny-Cours....and was catching the leader at about a second a lap.....If it has wheels and an engine - he is quick. It doesn't really matter what type of car it is; FWD, 4WD, RWD Rallycar, GT, LMP, etc
He just promotes his team...
Those series are for rich gentlemen having fun...nothing serious.
The question of the electronis is very important. The come of electronic diffs put a lot of good drivers one step behind because all of his learning curve was without electronics, and at the 30's something they were not able to learn again everything about driving. In 2003 i made an interview to Juha Kankkunen and Didier Auriol and they recognized that the electronis made things more difficult to the old school drivers and more esiear to the young ones that were learning the WRC cars. Kankkunen even said that electronics was more engeneer and less driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyPat107
you can hardly say that Mcare was an old school driver like Auriol and Kankkunen...
When you start blaming the equipment for your failure means that your time is over and your extinction is a bless for the new species to evolve... that is how humanity works... old timers become maggot food and the new stronger breed rules as it should... in life, in business, is society...
Better thing for everyone is to step aside and watch the action from the sidelines than cry and hate on people just because they are better than you...
This is psychological issue. It is not that old school drivers can't adapt to the new technologies, they don't feel the need to. All their career they have driven one way, this is all they know, so I guess when they feel old and little tired, it is not that urgent to adapt, besides not fighting for championship anymore. And after all we know how much easier for younger is to learn new things, than for older ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
What, there's a N.O.T v2.0 coming to replace the current one?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
hopefully, but i am still young and handsome so you must wait 30 years in order for me to get closer to fertiliser age....Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky