I agree, it looks much better than expected, let's hope stages are longer and engine sounds realistic and I will be satisfied...whilst waiting for Dirt4 :p :
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I agree, it looks much better than expected, let's hope stages are longer and engine sounds realistic and I will be satisfied...whilst waiting for Dirt4 :p :
Agreed!
WRC 3 - Gamereactor Norge
New screenshots :)
Monte Is looking great!
Absolutely looking good graphically, but the roads are sooooo wide! :p
Believe it or not some stages in Montecarlo are that wide, and as long as weather conditions are tricky I don't mind ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bennizw
Antorher photo of WRC3 presentation during Acropolis rally 2012!
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/5...2517638820.jpg
Great find MaxL!!! New sounds, new amazing particles, new lightnings, new narrow roads...New WRC3!!!
Nice video and shots, thanks guys :up:
Correction: The first shot Isn't from Spain, but from Wales. It's the asphalt Great Orme stage!!!
Let's hope we see some new designed sections for all the stages countries ;)
Fisrt possitive preview come from Alan Boiston ;)
Veni Vidi Vici - WRC3 first trailer
My guess Is now that roads got more narrow and hairpins got tighter,
actual handling/gameplay/physics will be emphasised more! ;)
Any shots of NZ? What do the cars look like on tarmac? I can;t wait to get this game. Looks a big step up on the other games which were not so interesting to look at.
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4...3505968614.jpg
Vote and send your message to the developers ;)
What would you like to see In WRC3 mostly ?
Voted for long and narrow stages ;)
Better car physics for me. No point in having long, narrow stages if the cars still handle badly ;)
That was my 2nd choice ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Allyc85
For once more, It's quite obvious so far, what rally gamers want most ;)
I read a rumor that we would be able to download facsimile set-ups of the real drivers and apply them to the cars. Has this been officially confirmed?
Then they would have to change the whole setup system in the game. At least if it is the same as in the two previous games. There were only bars to move to the left and right without any further information. If so, I guess they would have to do something like Richard Burns rally?
No official word about those rumors Plan9. But I don't think we'll see anything like that (just like the rumors regarding i-Opener technology...)
Wasn't the i-Opener technology supposed to be included in WRC 2 originally? Now they aren't planning it for WRC 3 either?
Indeed. But I think they have already abandoned It...Quote:
Originally Posted by bennizw
Probably must have been more difficult to use It than expected, who knows...
Hey I managed to Login successfully :D
I BOUGHT the WRC2 game! My first since Rally Evolved back in 2005.
So where's the WRC2 thread gone? Come to think of it, where are any older threads...?
I'm not a patch on the driver I used to be, but is it me, or is the difficulty (when on Max difficulty) actually pretty high? I didn't do "Road to the WRC"; I went straight into a full WRC season, and found myself finishing last almost every time.
I'm not complaining - I've done 2 full WRC seasons and pretty much 2 PWRC seasons. So I'm in my 3rd WRC season and still nowhere near the title. Gained 4 points finishes only in first 9 rallies! I always felt the PS2 games were too easy. :)
Hi rjbetty, good to see you in here. The registration can be tricky at times.
Yes the difficult levels in WRC2 are high. I have to run about 3 clicks down from top to be competitive, but its nice because you can learn and get quicker and still have tough AI. Yes the PS2 games were too easy in the end.
Incidentially, I set it on 90% difficulty and I manage to scrape into a title using Dani. Bloody hard though as I win Mex, Portugal and 3 or so others later in the season. Powerstages can also be useful to keep me in the hunt. This is for WRC2. I actually like the PS2 games better as there are more events per season and all the cars I love from the pre-s2000 wrc era.
What are do you guys use to get you to the top of the table?
Why did you find PS2 era games easier? they had no flash backs for instance...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce D
For WRC3 I am going to be quite interested to see if it is harder to use Nobre's 01A to win the title as opposed to using a works DS3.
Car set-up settings ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
Actually LCD you are totally 100% right there! I'll give you the story of my 1 and so far only full WRC season I did. Running about 85-90% difficulty, using Kris Meeke in the Mini.
Sweden was not so great, kept bouncing off things and the car looked very second-hand by the end but I finished I think 9th. Mexico was where I started to get the settings to click but I started badly and ended up chasing back into the points, I think getting a 6th in the end, although I won the power stage so that helped. I then won Portugal and Jordan (just after a few mistakes), before struggling at the start of Sardinia, finding the right damper settings (these seem to make a big difference for little changes) which could handle the rougher stages. Then I fought back and won the rally. Argentina was the strange one as after 3 stages I was 45sec ahead! Only after that did they start doing competitive stages and match me. By Acropolis I was just behind Loeb in the championship but he was consistently finishing well so I had to do more. First stage of Acropolis he fell out so I knew I had to get going. After the first stage I was 3rd by 5sec. I decided to try the Sardinia trick of softening the front dampers by one click. Bang I lost 11sec on one stage, despite it being a clean run! Now I was stuck in a problem, I had to win the rally to really maximise Loeb being out but I knew I needed to at least hardened the dampers by 1 click, but if I went 2 clicks would it get better or worse? I couldn't gamble as I was down in 6th place and needed the points badly, so I went for my original setting and just drove my heart out over the next few stages. With 1 to go I was 5sec behind Solberg for the lead and then on the last stage I won the stage and took the win by 3sec. Phew! Finland I was off the pace no matter what I tried and I found the notes weren't too great for the faster event. Anyway Loeb also had a bad event so I only lost a few points to him. I won the next 3 rallies to build up quite a lead in the points, but Spain was a bad event so going into the final rally I needed to finish 4th to win the title. I had a bad event but eventually finished 3rd to claim the title, and Latvala won so that helped.
The point is the AI kept it very tight until the end and setup really mattered. And staying calm during a rally really made a difference, just concentrate on keeping on the road and keeping it neat and moving the whole time. Then you come out ok.
@BruceD - Cool Story, Bro!
@Everyone - Aha, so setup really makes a difference huh? I'm glad people agree the AI on this is pretty tough.
@Plan 9 - The PS2 games were SO much easier because the AI drivers weren't quick. If you check out the kind of times players have set on www.gzii.net (I am on there under "RJB" with a Mitsubishi Lancer!), you will see if you play the game that the players' times are FAR AND AWAY ahead of anything the AI can hope to achieve. I remember being so frustrated at how easy those games were. I won the championship on my first attempt at WRC3 (PS2 2003 version) because you have to go through Professional (medium) difficulty first to unlock Expert mode (I hate that on games!)
I have a good story about how I won the title on my first attempt on WRC 4 (PS2) in 2004 - you could access Expert difficulty straightaway on WRC 4 and that pleased me very much. Finally a challenge!
Driving as Gianluigi Galli in a Mitsubishi Lancer, I was over a minute off the pace on my very first stage in Monte-Carlo, yet got my act going climbing up the order. Others dropped out and had problems, and incredibly, after the final stage I found I had WON on my debut!! I still remember now my time was around 29mins 20sec. I thought "OH NO" this game is WAY too easy (NOT the handling or anything like that - I mean the AI car pace being too LOW as usual!) But I since found out I was very fortunate, as it's RARE that the time I set would be enough to win the rally. The lead AI car usually wins with a 27 or 28 minute time.
Well I was in for a surprise - I was to find getting onto the podium, let alone winning rallies would be a tough order during the season, and I think I may have only won one other rally during the season - Germany. Sweden went well with 3rd, but my first experience of the new Mexico event was extreme! Crashes, smashes and damage left me out of the points during the rally, but I got my head down and tried so hard for some consistency. It was rewarded as with some problems for others ahead, I was able to climb from 10th to 6th. Strangely I seemed to finish 4th or 5th on almost every rally. It was weird as I was racking up the points and somehow remaining therabouts in the title race despite not being greatly quick. I was consistently scoring 4th or 5th, then banging in better results when I was able.
France towards the end was good as I managed a rare 2nd place - MUCH needed at the time as the championship was coming to a close! I was expecting to win Spain, as in the previous 2 games Spain was the easiest rally (meaning the AI speed levels were so low, you could win easily). However, the WRC4 Spain was very different - much more twisty, and I struggled to hang onto 8th, watching the title slip away! I focused everything I had to be consistent, and I was rewarded by climbing to 6th at the end. I didn't think I could do much better really.
This meant it came down to a 3-way fight with the Citroens in the final round in Australia. I think it was Loeb 99pts, GALLI (Me) 96pts, Sainz 96pts going into the final round! I truly did not regard myself as the favourite at all, especially as I was expecting Australia to be hard for me. But I gave it everything anyway, not expecting to win. I focused deeply and produced a clinical, but daring drive to take a strong 2nd place - just 20 seconds behind Solberg - a great result as I was usually minutes behind at the finish on the other rallies! I was so pleased with how I drove on a tough rally like that - one of my best drives. With every stage result, I was scanning intently to see where the Citroens were, calculating every little tenth. After a few stages Loeb retired!!! Sainz was never much in it and eventually dropped to 8th, meaning I actually took the title at my first attempt. Final Score - Galli 104pts, Loeb 99pts, Sainz 97pts
Amazing! Good times...
Er, why did I write all that? Well I enjoyed it anyway.
Ok I'm gonna use another post to give some breathing space:
My WRC2 (XBOX 360) experience:
Having not played a rally game for about 5 years, this was a return for me. I am clearly not a patch on the driver I used to be but wanna see how this goes anyway.
Settings: AI on MAX difficulty. All driving aids off. Straight into full WRC season - no training, no Road to the WRC, no PWRC, SWRC or Academy - anything like that. NO REWIND FOR ME - Refuse to use it. NO RESPAWNS except when landed on roof and no other choice. NO setup changes at all - only go with whatever game gives me for stage with no changes (as I don't have much clue tbh).
Driver: Matthew Wilson
1.SWEDEN: Finish last on every main stage, 15-30sec off on each! Come 17th out of 19 in superspecial.
RESULT: 19th and last +2:29 off leader.
2.MEXICO: Even worse - 20th and last on EVERY stage. Lose over 1min trapped behind wall on SS4(?) Take massive penalties on SS4 and SS5 trying to fix smashed car. Finish 20th and last, 8 and a half minutes off (sigh)
3.PORTUGAL: Some promise as I actually come 15th on SS4! Last on every other though. Finish 2:40 off leader, last again.
4.JORDAN: Very tough, but as consistent as possible - 18th and last. Highlight = 17th fastest on Stage 1. Twice finish above last.
5.ITALY: Again x2 stages finish above last, including 16th in SS5. Result = Last, about 2 1/2 mins off again.
6.ARGENTINA: This rally is weird as for some reason am able to go much better than usual! I'm guessing this is the same for everyone else here too? An incredible 8th on SS1, 11th on SS2, 7th on SS3, 15th on SS4 (bear in mind a 15th fastest time in Portugal had been my highest stage finish so far!), an amazing Stage WIN in SS5 Amboy 2!! Followed by 13th in SS6. All this left me 9th going into the superspecial.
The SSS was tough as nails, losing over 20sec. I was fortunate to beat H.Solberg to 10th by less than 2sec. But I'd done it - I actually got a POINT!
7.GREECE - Buoyed by Argentina, finish 14th. No top 10 times though.
8.FINLAND - Now I was WAITING for Finland, as on the Evolution Studios PS2 games, this was traditionally an easy meat rally. Now I could score higher. Oh how I was to be disappointed: This is more like the REAL Finland, when anything less than flat out - and in control to boot - means you are the square root of NOWHERE. I really tried my best to be smooth and consistent, but couldn't do better than last +1:30mins off the win - but I was only a bit behind Ken Block!
9.GERMANY - Ok if Finland was not what I was expecting, based on my experience with the PS2 games, then Germany would be. Oh tarmac rallies were the bomb in the PS2 days, the rallies on which the foundation of my title triumphs would be built. Besides, I am unlike most in that Germany has always been one of my most favourite rallies of all - possibly THE actual favourite (Maybe Monte Carlo has something to say about that though). From Stage 1, it was clear this too was leading to disappointment, though I did grab 16th quickest time. This was followed by last in the next 4 stages though, before rebounding with a 13th. The superspecial was interesting though as out of nowhere I pulled a 6th quickest time out of the hat - I didn't see that coming. But I had driven this stage in one of the modes (Road to WRC I think...?) so i must have helped. Still finished 19th and last overall though +1:30 off.
10.AUSTRALIA - Unlike the PS2 games, it seems that rough rallies, not the tarmac or fast ones like Finland or Sweden, are the go-to rallies for any kind of success in the modern WRC 2. And so it showed with a flurry of non-last place stage times. Still blew it and finished last though, but SO close to the others in front.
11.FRANCE - Thinking Germany was an aberration, and still saturated with years of PS2 era thinking, I expected this tarmac rally to be a boost. I just didn't have a clue did I? Do you think I was any good? RESULT - Guess.
12.SPAIN - Not as disastrous as France, but driving hard and fast yet being nowhere on the pace is a recipe to sap your confidence. Result - Yep you guessed it.
13.BRITAIN - Traditionally a flipping hard slog of a rally, for me any way. Nevertheless, in the PS2 games I had enjoyed some decent success. And with the seeming topsy-turvy order of things in this game compared to the PS2 era (meaning rallies I excelled on like Germany, Finland and Spain being my weakest, and weak ones like Argentina being strong), I was expecting maybe Britain would be a bonus and a nice surprise. Nope. Toughest rally of them all saved for last. What a killer. Last in every stage, car perpetually wrecked. Didn't even bother recording my time, suffice to say it was minutes off the win.
SEASON 1: 20th (1pt)
I totally agree with your views on WRC3 & 4 PS2 games, they were too easy to win. And WRC Evo was worse.
Glad to see your enjoying WRC2 though, personally I think it's the best rally game to come out since RBR. The tar stages are much harder with this handling than WRC1 was. I find of the gravel stages Mexico is probably the hardest. Very tricky in that there is very little room to make a mistake and run wide. The flip side of that is that Portugal then becomes tricky because you now have a much wider road so you think yeah I'm gonna go for this and find that you spend too much time sliding around so you have to learn to keep it neat quickly. Finland is very tough in terms of how quick the AI are, and therefore how quickly you can crash trying to keep up! Argentina must clearly be a bug because they are miles off there. I also find Argentina doesn't seem to be anything like the real event in terms of character and looks.
In championship terms I find having all the tar rounds near the end makes it tricky as you don't perfect the setup before you get there. And I personally find Spain very difficult compared to the others. It was worse in WRC1 because of the low light levels.
Same here mate. Many more people will realise this, when WRC3 comes out ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce D
Oh yeah, RBR was truly brilliant I thought. Could have done with more AI drivers and rallies though? I thought of it as a PWRC game cos it had non-official drivers.
WRC 2 - 2nd try at WRC (+PWRC campaign alongside, switching back and forth between each depending what I feel in the mood for :) )
PWRC: Ricardo Trivino (so glad he's back :) )
Sweden: 9th
Portugal: 4th, 8sec off win!
Argentina: With confidence from Portugal, and coming 10th in WRC, should be easy win, but found it trickier than expected (back down to Earth with a bump), complacency + crashing = Close 2nd
Australia: 5th
Spain: Last
Britain: Last again, but much improved over first attempt
SEASON: 7th (49pts) (=6th with Flodin)
Main WRC Season - 2nd attempt: Matthew Wilson
Having finished last in every rally except Argentina and Greece where I was 10th and 14th, I had lots of work to do...
1.SWEDEN - 15th overall, very happy - much improved. +1:10 off win. 8th fastest in Superspecial = YAY!
2.MEXICO - 14th, even better! Much improved on 1st attempt. +1:45 off win, +45sec off 10th. I lost that much in crashes, so I'm happy. 9ths in Power Stage and SSS!
3.PORTUGAL - Challenging for points finish! But blow it in SS6 wrecking car for SSS. Still 13th.
4.JORDAN - Difficult Rally, chop 39sec off 1st attempt. Actually finish JUST ahead of last IIRC! Happy with that considering.
5.ITALY - Midfield times including 8th in SS3! Anyone else find SS2 HARD? Bad SS6 = 17th overall (but no more being last every time!)
6.ARGENTINA - Given I scored my only point here last season, and having almost (should have) won in PWRC (and had extra PWRC practice), I was hopeful for a better points finish, maybe 8th. Well I got distracted on SS1 (Oh that happens so much - especially when there is a totally crazy Jack Russell (1/4 Maltese Terrier) dog spinning round everywhere :) ), also trying to adapt back to WRC handling from PWRC. I crashed on the bridge on the very fast section at end of SS1 flying into trees. Lost 10sec but still 11th. I had NO idea how well this rally would go, with 3rd in SS2 and 8th in SS4, but WINNING the other 3 stages, including the Power Stage! I was leading the rally ahead of Loeb going into the Superspecial, by about 3sec!! WOW! But the SSS was tough, and I was complacent, losing 6sec on 1st tour - OH NO Ah'm gonna lose. I only lost a further 1.5sec next time round, but it was too much and I had to settle for 2nd +4sec off. But still massively more than I could have hoped for. The best bit was knowing without the silly crash at the very end of SS1 which cost me 10sec - well you work it out... :)
7.GREECE - Aiming for points after success of Arg, 3rd on opening stage a great way to start! Follwed by 11th, 14th & 10th, and another 3rd on SS5, was looking good for 8th. Blew SS6 losing 20sec, but still came 10th overall for 2nd points finish of season.
8.FINLAND - Having scored Stage positions of 20 18 18 20 20 20 on first try, I knew Finland would be hard work. 8th fastest on SS2 was great, but the following stages were actually SLOWER than last time, cos I suffered crashes trying to find limits. Still 3sec better overall, and scraped ahead of Block by 0.5sec to maintain my record of finishing above last every time!
9.GERMANY - 12th 14th 12th on SS1-3 very promising, followed by two 9ths! Challenging for points, but messed up SS6, wrecking car for Superspecial left me a still encouraging 13th overall.
10.AUSTRALIA - With practice from the PWRC season, plus confidence from this being my strongest rally after Arg and Greece 1st time round, I was hopeful of grabbing a point this time! I was on target with 3 top 10 stage times, and was right in the thick of a close fight between 8th and 12th overall. I got distracted on SS6 and flew wide on the very last corner "3 left" of the rally, putting me just out in 11th, when checking times revealed I'd have been good for 8th... It was a measure of how far I was coming that I was absolutely gutted to finish just outside the points.
11.FRANCE - Not much hope having finished last on every stage 1st time, but 13th on SS2. Got distracted on final stages and crashed around to record my first LAST place finish of the year, when I was on course to avoid it. Aw....
12.SPAIN - 17th.
13.BRITAIN - Expected to be toughest of all, did better than expected with 5 non-last times including 9th on SS3! Finished 15th overall. Very Happy!
SEASON 2: 13th overall - 22pts But I actually got 3 power stage pts from Argentina, and the game didn't credit me, so it gives me 15th on 19pts. Has anyone else had that glitch, where your power stage points aren't counted?
42 Green Sectors
3 Stage Wins
23 Top 10 Stage Times
23 stage pos = 19th or 20th
SEASON 3 (+PWRC Season 2)
Ok I'll make this shorter:
PWRC: 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 17th, 7th = Title for me, with Michal Kosciuszko
WRC: Matty
Sweden: 9th - YAY! Won superspecial to get in points!
Mexico: On course for great and unexpected 8th, but badly distracted on SS6. Still 12th
Portugal: Right up there fighting for win. Won SS4! Jumped by Hirvonen and Ogier on SSS to come 4th, +14sec off Loeb.
Jordan: Unexpected 8th on SS1, before wrecking car and superallying to last.
Italy: Possible points on reflection, but SS2 was a disaster again. It starts ok but gets fiendishly tricky! Result - 12th.
Argentina: Finally nail it with 5 Stage Wins, dominating to win by 33sec!
Greece: Disappointing with crashes, only slightly better than last time, but circumstances in my favour mean a surprise 7th.
Finland: Slightly disappointing, but 16th.
Germany: Should not have done this at 2am. Superrally to last, but win Superspecial. Might have scored points.
Australia: Much improved pace, but lots crashes caused by small errors and deviations while finding limits mean 8th (Secretly hoped for podium or even more - but it will come!)
France: 17th
Spain: 16th
Britain: Superrally to last again. Disappointing final 3 rallies really...
SEASON: 8th - 52pts
64 Green Sectors
1 Victory
8 Stage Wins
35 Top 10 Stage Times
12 times 19th or 20th on stage
Sorry I got carried away above - it's just that it's good to have a challenge! And it's Bruce's fault - he started it by describing his season, and that got me going. :p
On the subject of WRC 3 - Here are some things I think need changing/improving/added:
1.More AI drivers mistakes/mech. failures/retirements etc.
This is what Evolution Studios and RBR did so well. Maybe it was overdone on PS2 WRC...? But it's certainly so much more realistic, and like real life, rewards consistency and error-free driving. That may not be attractive, but it's true in real life. The way it is on WRC2 feels like Colin Mcrae Rally, where it's all JUST a sprint with NO retirements. It takes out a vital element for me and spoils the fun. It also spoils the possible surprise and enjoyment (for me) of seeing a bottom driver climb up and get a big result.
2.Ability to MODIFY EACH DRIVER'S level of performance, AND their VARIATION in performance maybe. (sorry to shout in caps, just trying to be specific).
2.An ability to CHANGE drivers' NAMES! Amazing how many games leave this brilliant bit out.
3.More/Longer Stages please. I notice all the stages in a rally are "related" to each other. I mean it seems each rally has areas A, B and C, with a junction in the middle somewhere which changes with each stage.
e.g. SS1 is always area A & B, SS2 is always C & B,
SS3 is B & C, SS4 is A & C etc.
Does that make sense? I'm not sure which is which?
I don't mind this, but how about more stages, even if they are just repeats/more combinations of routes. 6 is too little maybe. I think the first WRC2 and WRC3 and CMR2 had it good with 9-11 stages. Rally Evolved was awful with just 3! I couldn't believe it and thought it was a JOKE - they spent all their time on gimmicks and left out the fundamentals. D'oh! But I think highly of Evolution Studios WRC work overall.
4.RANDOM weather: NOT like the PS2 games where the weather you get is the weather you always get! More like RBR where it can be different each time, and you never know what you're gonna get. You know, just like Tom Hanks' box of chocolates.
PRAISE FOR WRC 2:
1.20 drivers - the most since the 1st WRC 2 IIRC! This has been such a huge thing for me, how rally games seem to have so FEW drivers! I'd like at LEAST 20 in every game, please! But how about having the PWRC and SWRC in the overall results WITH the WRC cars, so you get like 37/47 or more cars! Would that be possible! It would certainly be more REAL!
2.OFFLINE STATS - WOW how FANTASTIC this is! So increases the replay value and depth of experience for me! Only suggestion is add more! Maybe things like no.of podiums, no. of top 10 stage times etc... Even better, maybe a record of all results can be kept and accessed. I don't know how realistic this is though (disc space?)
but if it were possible, would be amazing to be able to see improvements in times and results etc.
3.Ability to increase AI speed - Just genius. What I am really keen to know is is the max level representative of the real pace the actual WRC drivers would go at? (I know Argentina surely isn't!) I often think how they only get to see stages a few times, whereas we can practice them over and over to perfection. So I was very interested to see how I would compare with only a little experience of each stage. The result is seen above, not great.
Yes, but sometimes it puts it back too. Very strange. You'll notice they disappear if you look at the standings during a rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjbetty
Your enthusiasm is inspiring me to have a go at my second season.