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26th March 2012, 15:23
Brown, Jon Brow

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26th March 2012, 15:33
A FONDO

pazzooo
26th March 2012, 15:35
BDunnell

What deranged nonsense.
26th March 2012, 16:16
Knock-on

I have to say Mr A, that is probably the strangest tangent I have ever seen anyone go off on since I joined the forum. WTF are you going on bout and where did you get all that nonsense from?
26th March 2012, 16:49
pettersolberg29

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Originally Posted by fandango

I think that a mistake like that is what separates good from great. Pérez was good, but he had the upper hand and crucially made a mistake when things only depended on him. For that reason he can't be the driver of the race for me. I like him, but no-one drove better than Alonso.

But if we're basing it on that then the Driver of the Race will always be the winner, because he was on average the fastest and made the least mistakes. In this instance, Perez was the fastest man on the track for 95% of the race in car which isn't competitive against the top teams. This in Perez' 2nd race in his 2nd season. Alonso is a legend of the sport and even if the Ferrari isn't the top car at the moment it would be naive to think that they're still not a strong team - they have all the expertise, best pit stops, most money etc - and are probably holding a faster car than Sauber.

So in this race Perez was the best driver - most surprising, fastest and the first driver outside the big 3 teams in a whole year to get on the podium. To me this isn't even a contest.
26th March 2012, 17:10
CavallinoRampante

Alonso = best driver of the race.
26th March 2012, 19:38
driveace

At last Your opinion !
26th March 2012, 20:17
henners88

I love Italy and have been there on holiday a few times but I think its best to cool down on the nationalistic side of things. Ferrari is pushed very much as an 'Italian National Team', but I also think the sport has been very diluted since the national beginnings. We have British teams on the grid like McLaren, Mercedes, Red Bull, Williams, Force India etc etc (funding aside), but like Ferrari they opperate at a level to win championships rather than representing their origins first and foremost. I think the fans should remember that rather than playing them off against each other regarding which country is better.
26th March 2012, 20:19
donKey jote

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Originally Posted by CavallinoRampante

Italians?
What about...

What about Berlusconi? :p
What about pino? :arrows: :andrea:
26th March 2012, 20:26
Robinho

no-one has mentioned Button or Hamilton's race, nor claimed Button is a "true Brit" compared to Hamilton, god knows where you get the idea that cos Hamilton is blck that we think he is instinctive, lot of talent, little brains?, what sort of a rant was that. I think you'll struggle to find a post saying there are too many Italians in Ferrari, and certainly none that equate that to lack of brain power, not sure what has prompted the race rant, i've seen nothing more than some rivalry between supporters, sure there are a lot of brits on here who on the whole support Mclaren or the british drivers, but to claim its all racist hate speech is just mental
26th March 2012, 20:29
donKey jote

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Originally Posted by Robinho

I think you'll struggle to find a post saying there are too many Italians in Ferrari, and certainly none that equate that to lack of brain power,

I guess you have ioan on ignore too? :p
26th March 2012, 20:31
henners88

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Originally Posted by Robinho

no-one has mentioned Button or Hamilton's race, nor claimed Button is a "true Brit" compared to Hamilton, god knows where you get the idea that cos Hamilton is blck that we think he is instinctive, lot of talent, little brains?, what sort of a rant was that. I think you'll struggle to find a post saying there are too many Italians in Ferrari, and certainly none that equate that to lack of brain power, not sure what has prompted the race rant, i've seen nothing more than some rivalry between supporters, sure there are a lot of brits on here who on the whole support Mclaren or the british drivers, but to claim its all racist hate speech is just mental

I haven't seen any of the things mentioned here from his post either, glad I'm not alone. I don't know what it is but this all sort of reminds me of the old days on here lol.
26th March 2012, 21:29
truefan72

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

My thoughts exactly except I can't really choose betweenwho gets it. Perez and Alonso were both great and on a different level today. I was disappointed with Hamilton. Thought he'd do better in those conditions.

EDIT: I think Perez gets it as he would have won had Sauber not been so stupid on strategy.

I think the ferrari and sauber gambled ( cleverly and rightfully so) on a wet weather setup while the macs were hampered once again by poor team strategy
also, if the pit crew did their job, Hamilton would have come out ahead of Alonso and thus would have taken the lead, after the first pit stop
he lost about 5 seconds in the pits then
and then the 2nd pit stop was also a fiasco, never mind the fact that they came in a lap too late

but all credit where credit is due and those drivers deserved their accolades for still driving the heck out of their cars
26th March 2012, 21:35
truefan72

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

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bazinga
26th March 2012, 21:50
aryan

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Originally Posted by CavallinoRampante

He's a true Brit, a white Brit, so that's why he's depicted as bright, intelligent, smart... while LH is black so he's got to be instinctive, lots of talent with little brain

Man, you've got problems. I think if you go and ask LH himself, he will agree that JB is easier on his tyers than himself. That you somehow turned this in your head into an issue of race... is profoundly baffling.
26th March 2012, 21:55
Malbec

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Originally Posted by CavallinoRampante

It's a bit disturbing , as an Italian Ferrari fan, having had to put up with a week of Button praizing. How he's matured, how he's the best at treating tyres, how's he's got the upper hand over LH. He's a true Brit, a white Brit, so that's why he's depicted as bright, intelligent, smart... while LH is black so he's got to be instinctive, lots of talent with little brain... aggressive on his tyres etc. Not only that, I also have had to make a real effort while reading that there are too many Italians in Ferrari. This of course is associated to the fact that "there is too little brain power in Ferrari" nowadays... suggesting that Italians don't have enough brain power to be successful.
Well I have to say one thing to these people: that kind of hate, and I mean race-related hate makes for a LOT of bad KARMA.

I'm surprised at your comments about Lewis and Jenson and racial stereotyping. Does this have any basis either in comments made on this forum or elsewhere?

Nigel Mansell is also a white Brit and he's famous for being not particularly bright or smart but for lots of talent and bravery which you depict as 'black' characteristics, how does that work?

As for the Italians content in Ferrari I think you need to look at what makes successful enterprises work. Ferrari may well have the best Italians working for it (and I know from experience that they can be exceptionally good, see companies like Finmeccanica) but British companies attract the best from around the world. That is the difference. I'm afraid that whether you like it or not this is how international commerce works, and companies that insist on a particular nationality or ethnic group having precedence often miss out on the best talent.
26th March 2012, 22:20
Dave B

Anyone else get the sense that an old "friend" may be back under yet another new user name? :s
26th March 2012, 23:03
IceWizard

Perez, Senna, Alonso, Vergne in that order.
27th March 2012, 01:39
truefan72

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Originally Posted by Dave B

Anyone else get the sense that an old "friend" may be back under yet another new user name? :s

el saint?
27th March 2012, 02:14
ioan

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Originally Posted by N4D13

Yup. I guess most people are choosing Pérez because he was absolutely impressive and no one expected him to be this brilliant. Alonso drove magnificiently, of course, but he's an established driver, whereas Sergio isn't.

A certainly
27th March 2012, 02:19
ioan

Perez was about 8 tenths a lap faster than Alonso, as such only delusional Alonso fans would not give the driver of the race to Sergio .
27th March 2012, 03:15
Tazio

There was only about 2 1/2 teams ready for this test (rain and all) Red Bull was less than inspirational than umempressive although on pace quite good Ya' awl boys. Alonso was in complete control from 10 laps left
27th March 2012, 04:27
Tazio

There was only about 2 1/2 teams ready for this test (rain and all) Red Bull was less than inspirational than umempressive although on pace quite good Ya' awl boys. Alonso was in complete control from 15 laps left and knew Perez can't defeat Ferrari's KERS WHEN APLIed PROPERLY by Fred.
27th March 2012, 04:30
Tazio

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27th March 2012, 10:51
Knock-on

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Originally Posted by Dave B

Anyone else get the sense that an old "friend" may be back under yet another new user name? :s

I wasn't 100% sure with his 1st post on the forum but had it sussed with his 2nd one. I think I said something about him reminding me of someone but a bit more erudite this time :D
27th March 2012, 12:16
henners88

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I wasn't 100% sure with his 1st post on the forum but had it sussed with his 2nd one. I think I said something about him reminding me of someone but a bit more erudite this time :D

To be honest I don't mind as long as things can be discussed sensibly. So far interesting points have been made and thats what this is all about.. :)

Sent from my HTC Incredible S using Tapatalk
27th March 2012, 13:41
Ranger

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Originally Posted by ioan

Perez was about 8 tenths a lap faster than Alonso, as such only delusional Alonso fans would not give the driver of the race to Sergio .

Whatever you say. :\
27th March 2012, 14:00
EuroTroll

I think Alonso was indeed the driver of the race, because he was faultless. Perez was not, but he was great nevertheless.
27th March 2012, 14:35
CavallinoRampante

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Originally Posted by ioan

Perez was about 8 tenths a lap faster than Alonso, as such only delusional Alonso fans would not give the driver of the race to Sergio .

if he was .8s faster than Alonso, then why, after 40 clear laps he wasn't at least half a minute in front of Alonso? I mean how can a car that's .8s faster finish behind the slower car?
27th March 2012, 14:44
Tazio

Tamburello you made it back ! :p
Cheers
27th March 2012, 14:45
EuroTroll

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Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini

Tamburello you made it back ! :p
Cheers

Oh God, I hope not. :s Tamburello was a dick. :s
27th March 2012, 15:03
CavallinoRampante

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Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini

Tamburello you made it back ! :p
Cheers

Who is Tamburello?
I am a new guy on the forum, never knew that this forum existed be4.
Whoever thinks I am someone who used to be on the forum, is making a huge mistake and should just stop right away.
27th March 2012, 15:10
pino

Can we go back to the topic now....thank you :)
27th March 2012, 15:10
EuroTroll

Quote:

Originally Posted by CavallinoRampante

Who is Tamburello?
I am a new guy on the forum, never knew that this forum existed be4.
Whoever thinks I am someone who used to be on the forum, is making a huge mistake and should just stop right away.

I believe that. :up: After all, if you had been here before, you would know better than to make an arse of yourself with that post. :D :p :
27th March 2012, 15:11
EuroTroll

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Originally Posted by pino

Can we go back to the topic now....thank you :)

Yes, sir! ;)
27th March 2012, 16:11
Dave B

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Originally Posted by CavallinoRampante

It's a bit disturbing , as an Italian Ferrari fan, having had to put up with a week of Button praizing. How he's matured, how he's the best at treating tyres, how's he's got the upper hand over LH. He's a true Brit, a white Brit, so that's why he's depicted as bright, intelligent, smart... while LH is black so he's got to be instinctive, lots of talent with little brain... aggressive on his tyres etc.

Erm, no.

Their skin colour has absolutely nothing, nothing whatsoever, to do with their abilities or talents. Fortunately most people don't make any judgements or assumptions based on race. Anybody who does can safely have their opinion ignored. The fact that you would even think such a thing is quite disturbing.
27th March 2012, 16:45
pino

Thread cleaned, now please keep it that way and let me remind you that we do have a Feedback Forum for off-topic issues :)
27th March 2012, 17:48
MAX_THRUST

Perez,Alonso,Senna.
27th March 2012, 20:16
CavallinoRampante

Ferrari n.1 - hopefully this year Alonso will win the championship if Ferrari can sort out their car problems. Only a championship can make you all believers.
27th March 2012, 20:28
Robinho

what do we have to believe in? This isn't religon, I can see Ferrari, I know they exist, I just don't happen to support them. However, if Alonso wins the championship in that car I might start believing in a higher power!

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