Jan,
Can I respectfully suggest you take a step back and breathe for a while. As to be perfectly honest your posts don't make much sense to me any more.
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Jan,
Can I respectfully suggest you take a step back and breathe for a while. As to be perfectly honest your posts don't make much sense to me any more.
Mark. I am breathing just fine. I wonder however why you and others conspicuously are avoiding addressing the link now posted and PMed to you 5-6 times where the moderator claims I used profanity. It is very curious indeed. It seems like you and a few others are covering your ears and saying loudly "La-la-la YOU NEED TO CALM DOWN!"..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Nobody likes to be accused of doing things they didn't do, and nobody likes being threatened---however minor the threat is, after all being banned from a forum is not a big deal----based on a person in power abusing their power....
That is fairly clearly stated, isn't it?
So again: can you say honestly if the silly piccie was "profanity" as Starter claimed it was?
And more broadly, what disciplinary action should be meted out to forum members---regarless of their status ----when they misbehave--in this case the "cover-up" being worse than the alleged infraction, and the other, the moderator giving out warnings and threats after --evidently---not even looking at the alleged naughtiness?
Shouldn't they both be reprimanded?
I think you have hit the nail on the head, not only for the gun topic but for many that tend to end in a downward spiral. Many people seem to use a double standard in that they can express their opinion in a caustic, inflamatory, implied insult sense, but then get angry if others respond in kind. It also seems that some simply can't look at posts from their "enemies" in any objective fashion, as they let past remarks cloud the current topics. An example of this is the names dragged into this dispute on the gun thread that didn't even post in that thread, yet were brought up as part of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
For the sake of forum sanity, I think all of us members should chill out and give these moderators and Mark a break. Throwing stones around gets us nowhere in a hurry. They don't have time to read every single post, research past disputes, attempt to get into our heads to find our point of view, or anything else. They have to make a decision based on what they see and what is reported.
As for the "well HE did it and didn't get punished" that doesn't make much sense either. As far as I know it's not made public unless you do it yourself or unless you get a public dispute questioning the reasoning. I recieved a warning some time back and thought that in the overall sense of the thread that mine was one of the milder comments. But in the spirit of the forums rules I crossed a line, and the moderator felt the need to act on it. Rather than take it personally I just took the warning as just that and moved on. I'd still buy the guy a beer just for putting up with our crap.
More importantly we all have to respect the fact that other might oppose our opinions just as strongly as we support them. Unless we all want to degrade ourselves to a bunch of whining kids that appear to have single digit IQs we need to discuss/debate/dialouge on these issues in a civil manner and at some point accept that we will simply disagree on some or many issues.
I'd also state that one of the worst mistakes seemingly made my many when it comes to political topics is the painting of members with a very broad brush, most often based on party lines with US topics, or views being liberal or conservative. I'd imagine very, very few members fit those broad stereotypes. As an example.....
I'm a gun owner, but don't carry one nor feel I need it for self defense.
I willingly give to charity, but feel that government is out of hand on benefits they give out.
I personally am pro life, but have to say that a woman should have a right to choose for herself.
I've voted Republican, Democrat, and independant over the years.
I think we should have the worlds strongest and most capable military..... that never gets used other than as a deterrent or for humanitarian reasons.
We are all humans much more complex than the stereotypes that get tossed around on here. We should respect that and accept it. I've got friends and neighbors and others in my life that have opposing views to many of mine, yet we can sit down and have a meal or drink and get along just fine. There is no reason people on this forum can't behave in the same way.
John, I have to say I also thought the piccie in question was a bit much, especially as it was followed by the actual quote from Pulp Fiction. Why not just let it go? You and Starter disagree on the meaning of it, but it's not such a big deal, is it?
I'd also like to underline something Airshifter wrote:
This is what prompted the "pot, kettle, black" comment I made to you. On that particular thread, Bob Riebe hadn't said anything obnoxious, as far as I could tell. Yet he got a torrent of abuse for what I assume are past crimes. (I've only recently rejoined the forum, so I'm not up-to-date.) That was more than a little weird, and I have to say I didn't like it. I think we've got to be able to take each post on its own merit, as none of us produce only pure gold or pure crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
Yes we can! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
Subtle humor is lost on-line but it was not profanity and it was followed with random stuff---you know, like cartoons will put a series of !!%@^**@&!!! .Quote:
Originally Posted by studiose
I was unaware that the # sound was "interdit"
But: there was no profanity either in the picture or the following line.
Thus Starters claim is a willful misrepresentation of the truth, a prevarication, a falsehood, an untruth, a fib, and he's going to get a pimple on his tongue!
(is that obvious enough parody?)
That thread--about victims, my response--hours after an 8 year old, minutes ago another gun murder at a school in Ohio...and these people derail the discussion to "MY RIGHT TO OWN GUNS" and nary a word about children getting maimed and killed..
EVERY time it becomes MY RIGHT TO OWN GUNS!!!!!!!!...
It is madness. You cannot imagine it.
Now this could all be settled if the "Moderators" would man up and admit they 1) lied and 20 gave warning and threats of "it could have been worse" based on not even looking at the thing which you say was "a bit much" but buffaloing ahead "If starter says iit was profanity, then by GAWD that's good enuf for me!!!!"
How are you doing otherwise, man, it's been a while?
Please see PM. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
I'm satisfied that no moderators have lied and any action taken was appropriate. No further action is going to be taken in this matter.
I'm happy to leave this thread open as it's an interesting discussion in itself, but let's practice what we preach and keep it civil :)
yepQuote:
Originally Posted by Camelopard
I do know where his missus is though...
over at Starter's ! :arrows: :andrea: :p
This whole thing seems to have gotten a bit out of hand, and I'm truly sorry for my part in it. I shouldn't have let the donkey in me out like that regardless, it just makes me look (and feel) like even more of a donkey.
Take a deep breath, eejuts will remain eejuts, cretins will remain cretins, trolls will remain trolls... and life remains beautiful :D
as for grown forumers whinging... :dozey:
I am new to this site and have sent the following to different members.
Usually I never post or have even registered. When this came up I decided to take the time I have (2weeks)and just went through post after post of people that you have banned.
To be perfectly candid you are using a double standard. You have rules you adhere to and others that you ignore. The "you" is plural.
You banned an individual months ago,Gluaistean.
Good place to start. Then you stated you banned Monadvspec and said he was coming in as a different person.
You then state that the universally used # is to be considered a letter. Well, it's very simple to contact people these days and of the many banned and the two mentioned here as they are identified by you. I am alarmed to say the least that you banned either of these people when going back through all the threads (call me crazy) and did not ban a member named Bob Riebe for what he suggested happen to the Kennedy family. The response from Gluaistean was very vocal but not in the least vitriolic or should be a ban. Bob Riebe should be banned.
Now you come to Monadvspec and you ban him because he used # instead of a letter and was banned under another name. Tell me or the other members who that person is so that there is a fair representation of the reasons why he was banned initially. We can all look and you can supply the date.
I have been a member of a website that supports this forum for many many years. I came here this morning and was reading why posts were closed. At that time it was two. I then went to the "general tab" or whatever it is called and saw two more posts.
Members stating Monadvspec was whining in the open thread by a poster. This individual has an Estonian flag and is also a friend of Starters. Appears as though he is in lock step with the so called moderator and as such will agree like a puppy dog with what he says.
My next task, and one that YOU Mark said you did not want to see happening, was for someone to point to the # where members were not banned. Well, that was an invitation and a telegraphed desire on your part because you know full well that you choose discriminate and ban whom you wish and to hell with the so called forum rules.
I do not know the level of education that any of the people that moderate have attained, however, it is very much an idiotic and conflict of interest and fair debate. It's akin to the moderator of a presidential debate adding his opinion in favor of a candidate of his choice.
The next post will show those not banned for using a # sign. Interesting since I just touched the surface. You will ban this post, but, by the time you do it will have been seen by many.
This is a follow up on the above.
Mark and Moderator, please explain why you select people to ban and how you rationalize the reasons why others are not.
Why the **** should I care about the islamand it's people? It's just hypocrite and troublesome folk here in TheNetherlands. Especially the children, they're having a big mouth and they'realways seeking trouble. Also don't forget when you're gay in Iran you'll getthe death penalty by hanging. It's a stupid religion, and it's causing moretrouble then that it's doing good things for this world. I don't have areligion, but I prefer Christian or Catholic instead of being a ****ing beast.
Sorry if people don't like my comment, but it's how I see the most muslims aredoing nowadays in The Netherlands. Luckily I live in a good town where youcan't find those young trouble seekers, but in the big cities you can see thosestupid trouble seekers in every street. It's not that I hate every muslim, onthe contrary, I'm having friends which are muslim, but I really dislike thereligions' rules and the lots of ****ty youth in the cities here.
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Originally Posted by BDunnellhttp://www.motorsportforums.com/chit...ml#post1006589
No matter what — no matter how deep thefinancial crisis — people always find the money for extravagant luxuries.
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Originally Posted by BDunnellhttp://www.motorsportforums.com/chit...tml#post987299
Bob, there is surely no basis to your'logic' here. The average could still end up as $19 even if no-one in Detroitcame close to earning that. You really don't seem to know what 'average' means.
No you are a clueless twit here and thisresponse makes that point well.
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And yet again, here we are with threads that have to be closed. :mad:
If we don't as a forum tone it down and make life easier on the moderators it's apparent that a few kamikazi statements can and will have a thread shut down. That's a shame, since the vast majority seem to be able to disagree in a mostly civil manner.
I'd also like to appeal to Mark and all the moderators that rather than let this take place, the system of warnings and/or bannings be used more liberally. I don't subscribe to any of the paranoid accusations of bias and feel the moderators are more than capable of keeping all of us in line in a fair and reasonable way.
I feel some people push the boundries of the forum rules, knowing they can often get threads locked yet remain posting on the board. All that does is allow the few to destroy threads that the many can enjoy.
Excuse me for barging in on this conversation. I have been directed here by a member that is banned and I will not hide the fact. He did state that this would be a good venue to advertise our products depending on the cost etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
He directed me to some of the comments as I want to make sure that this is a venue where I can best serve my company and not have it on a medium like the Limb--- show where I would have to pull all advertising.
I was directed by the user who was/is banned and the comment you have made to BDunnell is a blatant lie. You have deliberately used two posts to make your point Both by different members.
As the marketing VP of the company in the Southern part of the US I have to say that I am a little perturbed as to how you reason your actions and how you can deem the using # * or whatever symbol is a word. You assume you know the word and so take action. But, looking through all of the posts directed to me by the said former member who got a lifetime ban for this ###### I find that to be totally and completely narrow minded and we in the South are supposed to be so closed minded. For your information # and * are accepted by the Phamaceutical companies, press releases by government and the thousands of mugs my company makes for a healthcare system company. Why on earth is the forum, a part of Autoracing1 so above it that I would be left to conclude that you believe that the beeping of swear words on TV should have the shows or those speaking bleeped. So it would be Cheney, Biden and many others banned from my brief memory search be banned.
Another point, what do you mean "infraction" be made? You know that what you are saying is that you would act in an immoral and incorrect manner by doing something incorrect.
I have already inquired as to the advertising costs but have not yet received a reply.
I respect my colleague and employee and know him to be somewhat different to the person that many of you have portrayed him. It is a him. I see Airshifter constantly moaning and groaning and that is just this afternoon going through posts. He complains about whining yet he and studio (Estonia?) are the biggest whingers that I see.
Now, all that took about twenty minutes of my time but I am glad I did so.
I am a new member. This is my first journey to this forum. I have been to Indycar but just a couple of posts.
I woud hope that this post is viewed and some others see it. I am not brandishing a threat of negating any advertising efforts as that would be "narrow
minded" and that is not the purpose. I will continue to read the posts and hope that I hear from you in a Private Message which I see on your members list or a direct reply here on this thread. I would really love to hear how you justify what you perceive as distinct from what is reality.
I'm glad to see that posting facts is offensive to those trolling the forums playing victim.Quote:
Originally Posted by wannabrcr
And oh by the way Mark, I was just going to spend my advertising budget of billions of dollars on your forum, but I changed my mind because a troll friend got in trouble. Friendship should come before the fact that huge numbers of people would see the ads after all. :D
It's hard work playing the persona of more than one person. Some are better at it than others, our above friend has not quite yet picked up the required skill set. He's not fooling anyone.
What rubbish!Quote:
Originally Posted by wannabrcr
This has to be one of the finest posts ever on these forums, in its way.
I like the red cards left by Starter under wannabe's post... how come this mere mortal donkey can see them though, is it a new feature for increased transparency? :cornfused:
http://www.motorsportforums.com/infr...view&p=1025623
How did you even get to that linked page? I don't think I've any seen any infractions other than my own. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
that's what I mean! :D
click on the red flags next to the "report post" icon at the bottom of post #63. :)
Interesting. It wouldn't be a bad idea to have those up even when people are simply in the "penalty box". Such a system might warn other posters they could get dragged into the mud engaging them in forum discussion. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
I'd say give them donkey ears instead of red cards though :p
Ears for the penalty box, hoove marks for the long term donkey kick? :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
It's a shame the adults can't act like adults. Another thread now closed due to that fact. I think half or more of the younger posters act much more adults than they older posters.
It's probably because most of the time a post is red carded it's also deleted. But we left this one up for the larfs.
He emailed me back again still protesting he's not the same person and he really does want to advertise here, even though he's banned :laugh:
And I was going to spend millions on advertising!
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