the drivers will probably perform the same and maybe Trulli will be slightly better for results but Petrov has potential for Russian billionaire oil money.
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the drivers will probably perform the same and maybe Trulli will be slightly better for results but Petrov has potential for Russian billionaire oil money.
Corection "The Mirror" to Autosport. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
Realistically, what can we expect from Kovalainen and Petrov this year? Any hope there will be regular points finishes?
I think getting a car in the points in a few races maybe 1/5 of the racing if they are lucky with rain race strategy and the car comes good. I think getting the challengers into Q2 consistently will be an accomplishment. However we won't really know until they go racing :dozey: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by zako85
Goodbye Jarno. Thanks for the memories and great Monaco victory :)
This must be a sad day for Pino, but I believe it was the right decision for Jarno.
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Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
Never mind Vergne is my #2 after Petrov. I hope he carries a can of whip@ss in that STR
Good thing Red Flag as Heikki spins off the track :burp:
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Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
Sad to see him go , but wherever that is , I will follow .
He's a truly honourable guy .
This from Autosport:
""Nobody knows this, but at this point I think I can publicly thank Jean Todt for having been one of the few top team managers to consider me during my career. No one knows this, but Todt offered me a seat at Ferrari," Trulli was quoted as saying by Autosprint.
"I won't tell you when exactly: I was racing for Toyota and I was doing very well. But I had signed a rather long contract with the Japanese, and in my career I've always honoured my commitments. In 15 years of F1 I've never needed lawyers."
He's one of the good guys .
Can't help but think that this alleged Ferrari offer must derive from around mid-2005, when Trulli was having a strong season and Barrichello was on his way out of Ferrari. In the end Ferrari opted for Massa - a move criticized at the time.
Regular points finishes? They certainly aren't that good. Perhaps they can have a season like Williams last year - three top10 finishes all year.Quote:
Originally Posted by zako85
Proof, if ever it was needed, that nice guys don't win....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
IMO this phrase, which is used often, doesn't mean anything. Häkkinen certainly qualifies into a nice guy category. I have heard Clark was a gentleman as well. I think we shall not mix up a "nice guy" tag off the track and on the track.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
The only thing that makes me sad is the way Jarno's ended is career : wasting 2 years on crappy car and beating by his Team-mate only because the car didn't suit his driving-style. But at the end of the day it's better this way as it was very frustrating always watching him starting races on back row. So thanks Jarno for the great memories and for an amazing win in Monaco and good luck to Petrov, hopefully his money will allow Caterham to build a better car in the future...Quote:
Originally Posted by odykas
What is it that they say about bad workers.....???? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Maybe, but he turned down Ferrari for perennial money burners Toyota based on moral values? Where were Toyota's morals when they threw in the towel....?Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
F1 is not termed the pirahna club because they like aquatics you know.....
You tell me...dunno any ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
The phrase over here is 'a bad worker blames his tools'Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
It's appropriate to english people...not italian ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Actually, I'd agree on that - this is a land full of wasters, scroungers and feckwits, most of them in the Premier League!Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
And the only real workers left over here that are not parennial strikers are Polish......
We don't know the details, so can not take the situation only from one angle of view. I'm not sure Ferrari deemed Trulli so vital that they were actually prepared to buy his long-term contract out, certainly worth of more than 10M $. In addition - Toyota looked promising in 2005, so at that time it was enticing to keep racing there with the hope of getting to the top even if you got an offer from a legendary team.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
No , we don't know the details , but , the cost of any driver is a part of the package , and if there was any offer , it must have been a part of the calculation .Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
Sure , it was comfortable to stay earning at Toyota , but to drive for Ferrari is a dream for any Italian kid .
You can hear that in his words about the red squad .
He picked the wrong horse , and stayed loyal .
Indianapolis maybe......Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
Well, they finished 4th in WCC with 5 podiums and 88 points compared to measly 9 they had achieved the year before. Certainly a reason for optimism at that time! If anything, 2005 was above anyone's expectations.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
And do you know why? Because they were not on the Bridgestones............ They were the 4th best team on the Michelins, and as the 'stones were about as good as liquorice that year, 5th is where they finished.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
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Originally Posted by SGWilko
In 2005 only three teams were on Bridgestones - Ferrari, Jordan and Minardi. Ferrari was the only team that was even remotely competitive regardless of tyres. And Ferrari finished above Toyota in WCC anyway, which makes Toyota 3rd best team on Michelins.
If they finished 5th in WCC, and were behind Ferrari (only team on 'stones above them), it makes them 4th best Michelin shod team, shirley?Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
1st Renault 191 ptsQuote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
2nd McLaren 182 pts
3rd Ferrari 100 pts
4th Toyota 88 pts
I don't know, why you have suddenly started talking about 5th place.
Just ignore me Jens - my wife always does!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
In fact, I have no idea what I am on about.........
Quite right, 3rd best Mich runner, 4th in the WCC.
I'm going back to my hovel now!
Certainly finishing the season with zero points cannot be an option. I'd say their targets must be to get through to Q2 more often than not, and for both drivers to bag some minor points. They're still a really new team, built from scratch, so it would be unfair to expect miracles; but they certainly need to make some progression.Quote:
Originally Posted by zako85
I always have a soft spot for Trulli. He's some what like an enigma like Kimi. You'll never know what you'll get out of him. I recalled he mentioned that he didn't really get the respect he deserved in Renault and I can appreciate why he stayed in Toyota even though if there was a potential offer from Ferrari. For sure he'll win more races had he joined Ferrari, but I think he had his best times in Toyota until the team suddenly called a day. His performance in team Tony was at best average but he handled his departure like a real gentleman. There are other forms of motorsports besides Formula 1; he may do well in FIA GT, Le Mans Series or DTM. Thank you Jarno and all the best!