"Oh boy, that escaladed quickly. I mean that really got out of hand fast!" - Ron Burgundy
I bet M-Sport needs some serious money now. Some random pay driver will probably drive. Who?
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"Oh boy, that escaladed quickly. I mean that really got out of hand fast!" - Ron Burgundy
I bet M-Sport needs some serious money now. Some random pay driver will probably drive. Who?
Yazeed ?
Evgeny Novikov for ALM Ford WRT as official representive for Ford?
Yazeed Al Rajri as second driver?
Yeah, their business is really big. 27 different drivers have used Fiesta WRC in WRC rallies (just WRC rallies), 106 rally starts with Fiesta WRC. And if you think that 48 drivers (205 rally starts with WRCars) have driven WRCars in WRC this year (including Spain - most of the entries are already known), then their share is a bit over 50%. That is a lot. Plus all the RRCars, basically the same as WRCars+ S2000 cars..and that is WRC only (just the top of the ice-berg).
The story that Wilson changes to other team does not sound realistic. He needs to continue and promote his team with good drivers to show his goods in as good light as possible.
from Gerard Quinns twitter
I stay with Ford to run our other Ford Racing projects in Europe. My team will continue to provide M-Sport technical support.R5 continues
Yes, in numbers of M-Sport it really can work independently. For example in 2010 they sold around 40 Fiesta S2000 in one year! We also have to include the Academy and hundreds of R2, R1, N3 cars everywhere. Than all the maintenance and servicing...Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Tried to find M-sports financial figures but I suppose in UK you do not have to make them public for limited companies like in Finland. However, one free service had some basic numbers: Company Check - Free company financial check on M. SPORT LIMITED. Registered number 02105112. Free company accounts. Companies House information
Based on those figures I'd estimate M-sports annual profit to be somewhere near 3 million Euros which is not that much. Based on those It's hard to say about net sales but 20-60 million Euros could be a rough estimate.
Why would Yazeed want to be in a Russian team? He should have his own team with the funds he get get.
Maybe itīs not all bad, if I remember correctly the deal between Ford and M-sport was such that 50% of every sold car went back to Ford. Ford not being involved should mean M-sport keeps the hole profit of this.
Also they will still have some sort of support(technical and engineering) precisly what this means I canīt say, but if they keep providing them with at least some parts that are not M-sport made than the support would actually be quit significant.
M-Sport needs the paying driver now more then ever. Yazeed and Novikov seem the be the most valuable drivers around with a steady and wealthy budget. If there will be a M-Sport / Ford team for the manufacturer championship Malcolm Wilson has to look for these drivers
It only costs how man Ģ's to buy a Fiesta road car, put in roll cage, structure it properly and build an engine etc so think M-Sport make money from it :)
I think that no WRC car ever had a rollcage built in the complete shell. AFAIK the rollcage is being welded on the base platform and the bodyshell than built around it...Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Al-Rajhi has said he is not interested in WRC until he is good or experienced enough to be the best in Super 2000s. Sensible, otherwise if you jump in too early you might just be wasting your sponsors' money and good will. Ask Antony Warmbold if he's around! He talks about it on his blog though.Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
You can get more information if you buy a copy of the accounts for a few pounds in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by vkangas
I didn't realise it was so easy to make a WRC car. Why didn't I start years ago?!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Sorry guys, I'm not being a smart a$$
But I are your points. There is a lot more into building the cars and then looking after them
It's actually 32 different drivers who have driven the Fiesta WRC in 2011 and 2012 YTD.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
A.Burkart B.Sousa C.Atkinson D.Kuipers D.Oliveira D.Sordo E.Brynildsen E.Novikov F.Delecour F.Villagra H.Solberg J.Habig J.Ketomaa J.Latvala J.Maurin K.Al Qassimi K.Block L.Athanassoulas M.Hirvonen M.Prokop M.Rantanen M.Solowow M.Stohl M.Wilson M.Østberg O.Tamrazov O.Tänak P.Andersson R.Kuipers R.Triviņo S.Lindholm S.Pavlides
and John Powell will drive on in Catalunya :)
Is it just me or does that table not include Petter - so it's actually 33? Or am I blind?Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
I was talking about 2012 only.. but your list is nice :-) Thank you:-)
Does anyone know why M-Sport uses Volvo S60 (probably with Haldex AWD ??) cars for reconnaissance of special stages ?
Here is one photo (can't post it directly, still having less then 15 posts :) )
cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/WRC-101-23.jpg
Ford owned Volvo Cars from 1999 to 2008. Probably with the recession etc it was not cool to run new recce cars if the old ones were still doing the job.
Yes, maybe it is just that simple. I was wondering is there anything interesting in their construction that made a recce car? That time it was the only Ford passenger car with AWD (?), especially in Europe.
Don't think so they will use the Volvo's till they break apart I think, btw those Volvo's are very powerfull and strong u can do everything with it :D . Citroën uses Lancer's, VW Polo R's and Prodrive Mini Cooper S.
VW uses Golf R Mk6. (4WD), there is NO Polo 4WD, street version of WRC is FWD.Quote:
Originally Posted by mousti
Prodrives car is Mini Countryman All4 (4WD), normal Cooper S is FWD
Citroen uses old Evo9
Saw the coverage of Acropolis tonight. In the first part they had a piece on suspension. In several slow motion phases we saw the Fiesta's front suspension work in rough conditions, and also the DS3.
The Fiestas front wheels wobbled a lot side to side during compression, something the DS3 did not.
It moved so fast imo that it could not be the driver doing it.
If this is normal for the Ford, That would explain the front suspension breakages they have all the time.
Neuville top M-Sport driver up to now. Impressive in only his second season.
I would rather say Ostberg and Novikov are disappointing this season... Especially Ostberg, where is his consistency he had last year?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
i think that next year mads and novikov will be in their teams like last years.
they might just join Hyundai Motorsport?? you know i really wonder who will be their drivers for next year...
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Originally Posted by Sulland
the Vw does this as well, and Jari Matti broken the suspension in the Vw and ford, it simple you hit thing hard enough they break...
The DS3 suspension looks much more packed indeed. IMO both approaches has its pros and cons. Longer suspension travel is much more agile when cornering in ditches as the tyre has more grip (at least some grip), but the cons in this I think is front impact of the suspension, as some parts are exposed to risk. Suspension with less travel IMO on the other hand has vulberability of side impact, as the parts are much shorter and tightened and the suspension is not so much inclined to bent (typical example is Atkinson's broken wheel in Finland last year). That's 2-1 for longer travel, so I think Ford's and VW's chooise is proving to be better solution.
There are a lot of names that we have read.First of all Petter Solberg.Juho Hanninen,Thierry Neuville,Haydden Paddon are in their chοices..Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Hey, don't forget Per-Gunnar......
Random question, but will we be seeing a face lifted Fiesta WRC any time soon, as mentioned earlier in the season?
If half a year qualifies for "any time soon", yes, I think :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Allyc85
R5 is new shape Fiesta, I don't see why the WRC won't have a new face? And new Tail lights?
Next year, new car, new homologation... New engine? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
But it was agreed 1-2 months ago to use same cars for 2014 and break the 3-year circle of homologation
Do you have a link of an article? I probably missed that... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan