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Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
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Will Petter test more before the season opener, or anyone else from the Ford armada test anything before MC/Sweden or will shakedown be their test ?
During this week Jari-Matti is in the car on wednesday and thursday, with Petter taking over on Friday...
reports from Estonia say that, tanak will test on Friday. Then with Petter?
OT: Don't get confused with USA flag in my avatar, but i'm estonian, living in USA.
Ford expects Jari-Matti Latvala to challenge Loeb in the WRC in 2012 - AUTOSPORT Show news - AUTOSPORT.com
This was a tad strange
"The first two rallies we've told Petter that we want him to run basically the same spec of car as Jari-Matti will. We want to really focus all his attention on driving and not worry so much about the set-up. Get those two events under his belt and then we will really sit down and we can try and really improve the car going forward."
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Viking
They are simply treating an experienced driver like a child.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
Or maybe Papa wilson thinks he's talking to Matt.
I hope Latvala won't be a champ.
it is obvious that M-sports main concern is just to make money in order Wilson JR to be ridiculed across the world one more year...Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
Very unprofessional attitude...
One more year of tears and pain for the Ford fans.
its a pity...
What a load of bs once again guys... The line means that Petter is not immediately given the role of "lead tester" but he is given time to adapt into the car. "Basically the same spec" doesn't mean "the same spec".
read again it referes to the first 2 rallies of the season....not testing.
A professional team would give Peter time to adapt through testing and have him ready to do his best at the start of the season with his own set up...
Seems they are not interested about the manufacturer title at all... now that Ford signed for 3 years and Wilson Jr will have money to waste off the car development i guess M-sport is happy
I agree with you Juha. Petter is known for his knowlegde for setup and technic but I think that before you start to play to much with new setup its good to really know the car. And that he's not yet doing. After a couple of rallies he will have much better idea and knowledge of the car. And then I think its time for petter and fwr to start developing the car more. Anyway its good to get a good start of the season. And to get that its best to just concentrate on the driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
if this is true,is strange.They signed before some days with Ford,its before the start of the 3 year contract,everything is going to travel for Jari at test point,car,trucks,mechanics,engineers but they can t afford one more day??? The point that Petter has to drive with Jaris setup is joke for kindergarden,not for championship contenters.Hope is just a wrong info.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Besides Petter has had some dificulties in making his own setuptop good. Remember his problems with the S12. Maybe this helps him on the way back to good settings?Quote:
Originally Posted by martins
how you will ''know'' the car with NOT right setup?Quote:
Originally Posted by martins
Driving with not optimum setup=fail.Plenty of examples at rallying last 20 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by martins
ps welcome at motorsportforums
Happened many times before though...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I think everyone is taking this too literally. Although M-Sport has said two events that isn't necessarily so.
Petter may stick with Jari's setup to start with (lets face it, he's had a lot of seat time in the car so it's a good starting point) & make only minimal changes. This should allow him time to settle into the car under the heat of competition & learn to push it to it's max. Only once Petter has pushed the car to it's max will he learn the downfalls of the car & then he will be allowed to start suggesting & making radical changes. If however Petter is able to find the limit of the car during the first or second event I am sure the engineers will listen & allow changes.
i didn t say that it didn t happened before,but if it is right.Citroen has wining setups from 8 time champions but Mikko was there testing for Monte.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
But maybe for Ford is a waste of time/money testing before each rally.Last year i can t remember plenty of rallies with right setup at first leg...
trying to find limits with not right setup drives 100% out of road.Then engineers need a new car,and not to setup a totaled car.Quote:
Originally Posted by macksrallye
Too much emphasis from papa Wilson o remark JML will be 1st driver bla bla..... lets see what Petter can do in a factory car and if he can challenge or not JML. The truth of the story will start to be written on next week and couple of weeks after in sweden. BTW I don't think JML has the consistency to beat Loeb. Aside of that, I think who made the worst deal is Hirvonen, accepting to be like Sordo in Citroen.... He will never win anything.....
Of course Hirvonen can win. When Loeb has a bad day and looses 3 minutes MH can beat Petter and JML.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fide
Hirvonen was discarded by Subaru and at that time he never beated Petter cause Petter was better than him AND still is.......... Lets see...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
How old was Hirvonen back in those days? ;)
Hope that this is Hirvonen's last contract.
of course both Petter and JML are very fast among top fastest. But- I´ve seen Hirvonen on last day in sweden 2010 when he took the shirt of Loeb on Värmullåsen. His attck in those bends was among the worst I´ve ever seen. Two bends about 50-60 meters away from each other was taken in one slide and it was narrow I´ll say!! And it was downhill!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fide
After that I know for sure what Hirvonen can do!!!!
Any good driver finds the limit of the car underneath them whatever the setup, not the limit of themselves regardless of what the car is capable of.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
same kind of thinking has M-sport.Guess the results from last 20 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by macksrallye
Also the same kind of thinking that got Skoda & any other team with a testing programe to where they are over the years. Testing is all about finding the limits of what you've got & the decided where the changes need to be made to make the car better. You can't just change everything without knowing what the car is capable of & clearly Petter is not going to get enough seat time before Monte so why not go with good (if not ideal) setup to make the best of a bad situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Citroen are going to beat them at Monte, no doubt, but this is not the reason, they would have beaten Ford if they had be testing for 2 months solid, Sweden however could be different.
and what skoda actually achieved so far ?? Winning a ladycup series of b-c class drivers being the only manufacturer in it ??Quote:
Originally Posted by macksrallye
Skoda doesnt challenge Citroen.Ford does.Quote:
Originally Posted by macksrallye
Pre rallies tests are not for finding the limits what you ve got,are for testing the right setup at the terren you are going to compete in few days.Test from last years,different tyres,different drivers,different circumstances,and one year back fiesta(much slower) are useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by macksrallye
Petter is not a 21 year at his first wrc drive.As he would drive for some km,he will see what changes have to do to adapt his likes the car.You can t see how capable is a car when you can t push result from not ideal setup.Remember we are talking about world championship contenters,not a privateer with limited budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by macksrallye
Also don t forget Sordo that he can still points from Ford factory points.So Petters fiesta must be setuped properly if they dont want to be ridiculed at Monte,from a true limited budget new car.
Sweden different? With Mikko at Citroen and Petter with no test?Doubt..Quote:
Originally Posted by macksrallye
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Originally Posted by Barreis
Hope or believe..? I think he will surprise many (here on the forum) with his speed this season, and be quite competitive with Loeb and Latvala. Also on tarmac I believe he will improve noticeably. Sure he'll be a dog at Citroen, but that doesn't matter for his value if he can prove to go fast.
Certainly he got issues with lack of motivation/fighting spirit which reflects poorly. But I think his speed is discredited too much on behalf of that, his sorry tarmac performance and technical issues.
In any case I find it very interesting to see what he will make of it now with the best car of the field. I think he'll be a strong runner-up.
What tactics should Ford adopt for Portugal?
Full speed from ss1 to get a early lead, or to shadow Citroen ?
Hirvonen was born in 1980.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Full speed from SS1. They have nothing to lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Thats why i said yesterday that is Malcolms fault too.They risked everything betting that Mikko will have a flat tyre.All these with a driver that had exit from Monte without reason,and one of the high score crasher of all times.After all that Loeb is patronised by fia,citroen had a better car,bla-bla-bla....Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
''Asked if he had considered slowing Latvala down earlier in the stage, Wilson said: 'No. We'd agreed what we were going to do and we'd sent him Mikko's [last split] time in the stage.''
"We gave him Mikko's 25km split time just to keep him [Hirvonen] on his toes. We had also given him the exact distance to Novikov's car. This was a mistake."